Casey Ran as "Pro-Life"; His First Act Seeks "Sexual Orientation" Hate Crime Law

[HoppityRedux]

I certainly don’t think anyone here is going to claim the Church is not against hate crimes. The question is, why expand the definition of hate crime only to this very specific group of people? There was a thread just the other day on this forum about a Catholic woman who was brutally raped and murdered for confronting her friend about his active homosexual lifestyle. Do you think Bob Casey will ever lobby that as a hate crime? We are absolutely under an obligation to treat those with same-sex attractions as beloved children of God, and to give them equal rights under the law with respect to justice. We cannot, however, in good conscience, place them on a pedestal above everyone else by calling their murder a hate crime and refusing to call other murders hate crimes when such other murders clearly are.

God bless.

The murder of the woman would qualify as a hate crime if she was murdered because she was Catholic. That is existing law, and doesn’t need any support from Casey.

 

[tequilamac]

I certainly don’t think anyone here is going to claim the Church is not against hate crimes. The question is, why expand the definition of hate crime only to this very specific group of people? There was a thread just the other day on this forum about a Catholic woman who was brutally raped and murdered for confronting her friend about his active homosexual lifestyle. Do you think Bob Casey will ever lobby that as a hate crime? We are absolutely under an obligation to treat those with same-sex attractions as beloved children of God, and to give them equal rights under the law with respect to justice. We cannot, however, in good conscience, place them on a pedestal above everyone else by calling their murder a hate crime and refusing to call other murders hate crimes when such other murders clearly are.

God bless.

When hate crimes are classified according to race such as black, is that putting blacks on a pedestal? If hate crimes are classified according to religion such as Jew or Catholic, is that putting Jews and Catholics on a pedestal? The purpose of hate crime legislation is to protect groups of people from a, acts of violence, b. acts of discrimination. Now the group of people this legislation is protecting from are homosexuals. How is this putting homosexuals on a pedestal? Unless you believe for some reason this particular group of people should not be protected from murder, harrassment and mayhem like everyone else. Catholics are protectred from hate crimes if they choose to utilize it. But the case has to be made that the woman was raped and murdered because she was catholic. A person does not have to be Catholic to object to a homosexual ifestyle. Maybe her killer would do that to anyone who objected, not just Catholics. In that case, it is not a hate crime against Catholics, now is it?

 

[David_Paul]

Actually the idea behind hate crimes legislation is that the hate crimes themselves are not against individuals, they are against communities.

Which goes against the notion of equality. Crimes, ideally, are against the state or the individual. Now we have lobbying groups screaming, “What about us? What about us! Make a crime against us worse than a crime against everyone else! We’re special. A crime against us is really a crime against the state because we need special protection because everyone hates us!”

We have to get back to the basics. Hate crimes tear a society apart (which is, and I admit I am not being charitable, is the goal of those who propose them). Hate crime legislation in America is also they only way, considering our 1st amendment, those who propose them can advance what they really want: Hate speech laws… . i.e. Thought Crimes.

 

[tequilamac]

Which goes against the notion of equality. Crimes, ideally, are against the state or the individual. Now we have lobbying groups screaming, “What about us? What about us! Make a crime against us worse than a crime against everyone else! We’re special. A crime against us is really a crime against the state because we need special protection because everyone hates us!”

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Lobbying groups are usually made up of the hated individuals. Therefore it makes sense to have blanket legislation for groups yes.

 

[HoppityRedux]

Which goes against the notion of equality. Crimes, ideally, are against the state or the individual. Now we have lobbying groups screaming, “What about us? What about us! Make a crime against us worse than a crime against everyone else! We’re special. A crime against us is really a crime against the state because we need special protection because everyone hates us!”

We have to get back to the basics. Hate crimes tear a society apart (which is, and I admit I am not being charitable, is the goal of those who propose them). Hate crime legislation in America is also they only way, considering our 1st amendment, those who propose them can advance what they really want: Hate speech laws… . i.e. Thought Crimes.

Hate cime legislation does not make a crime against a member of a group worse than a crime against anyone else. Were that the case, then a crime against a Catholic would be worse than one against anyone else. Catholics are covered under hate crime legislation.

Hate crimes hinge on motive. If a Catholic is killed because he is a Catholic it is a hate crime. Actually, I see no reason to treat such crimes against Catholics any differently than the same crime committed for a different reason.

 

[Leeta]

Hate crime legislation gives special rights to a certain group. In this case, homosexuals and in some places, crossdressers. It is wrong and not Christian.

Tell me why a group, such as homosexuals should need extra rights? I thought the constitution guarantees all citizens freedom of speech, freedom from violent assault, etc. If homosexuals as a group suffer a high rate of violent crimes, then look at what the cause is. The cause is the homosexual lifestyle, not heterosexuals ‘hating’ them.
Homosexuals are extremely promiscuous. They can never really trust each other, due to the nature of their relationship, being a perverted and distorted one. Jealousy reigns and the resulting deeds of revenge can get very violent. Their act of intimacy is not a true giving of each other, since it is impossible because of their same gender.
This legislation is unneeded since we have laws against violent assualt and such. It does make a murder committed against a homosexual more egregious than against a normal grandmother.
Also, such legislation is being used to try to force us women and young girls to use public restrooms with strange men who want to pretend they are women!!! This shows how this group is allowed to do what it wants at the expense of the safety and privacy of women. We will not put up with it. What a lack of common sense! We will just not be able to visit certain cities since we women cannot be guaranteed protections.Currently the Lansing City Council wants to enact this on Nov. 20. Please e-mail the city concil members if you care about the safety of women and children.
Also read all the tracts at the Catholic answers home page for starters. The great commandments apply to homosexuals, too.
I guess the big problem is that homosexuals, by and large hate themselves and so apply that to everyone else, both homosexual and heterosexual. They have many times been abused or rejected by their parents and then they do these totally self-destructive acts and out of their despair hate everyone and everything. Lying is a big part of their lifestyle, too, to themselves and everyone else. Still all this doesn’t mean they should have more rights than everyone else. Actually, it is homosexuals who are prone to commit violence, due to the great hatred they bear everyone else.
Maybe we need to add heterosexuals to the hate crimes legislation. We are the ones who need protection from their acts of violence and hatred.

 

[HoppityRedux]

Hate crime legislation gives special rights to a certain group. In this case, homosexuals and in some places, crossdressers. It is wrong and not Christian.

Tell me why a group, such as homosexuals should need extra rights? I thought the constitution guarantees all citizens freedom of speech, freedom from violent assault, etc. If homosexuals as a group suffer a high rate of violent crimes, then look at what the cause is. The cause is the homosexual lifestyle, not heterosexuals ‘hating’ them.
Homosexuals are extremely promiscuous. They can never really trust each other, due to the nature of their relationship, being a perverted and distorted one. Jealousy reigns and the resulting deeds of revenge can get very violent. Their act of intimacy is not a true giving of each other, since it is impossible because of their same gender.
This legislation is unneeded since we have laws against violent assualt and such. It does make a murder committed against a homosexual more egregious than against a normal grandmother.
Also, such legislation is being used to try to force us women and young girls to use public restrooms with strange men who want to pretend they are women!!! This shows how this group is allowed to do what it wants at the expense of the safety and privacy of women. We will not put up with it. What a lack of common sense! We will just not be able to visit certain cities since we women cannot be guaranteed protections.Currently the Lansing City Council wants to enact this on Nov. 20. Please e-mail the city concil members if you care about the safety of women and children.
Also read all the tracts at the Catholic answers home page for starters. The great commandments apply to homosexuals, too.
I guess the big problem is that homosexuals, by and large hate themselves and so apply that to everyone else, both homosexual and heterosexual. They have many times been abused or rejected by their parents and then they do these totally self-destructive acts and out of their despair hate everyone and everything. Lying is a big part of their lifestyle, too, to themselves and everyone else. Still all this doesn’t mean they should have more rights than everyone else. Actually, it is homosexuals who are prone to commit violence, due to the great hatred they bear everyone else.
Maybe we need to add heterosexuals to the hate crimes legislation. We are the ones who need protection from their acts of violence and hatred.

Hate crime legislation does cover heterosexuals. It covers all Catholic heterosexuals.

 

[tequilamac]

Hate crime legislation gives special rights to a certain group. In this case, homosexuals and in some places, crossdressers. It is wrong and not Christian.

Tell me why a group, such as homosexuals should need extra rights? I thought the constitution guarantees all citizens freedom of speech, freedom from violent assault, etc. If homosexuals as a group suffer a high rate of violent crimes, then look at what the cause is. The cause is the homosexual lifestyle, not heterosexuals ‘hating’ them.
Homosexuals are extremely promiscuous. They can never really trust each other, due to the nature of their relationship, being a perverted and distorted one. Jealousy reigns and the resulting deeds of revenge can get very violent. Their act of intimacy is not a true giving of each other, since it is impossible because of their same gender.
This legislation is unneeded since we have laws against violent assualt and such. It does make a murder committed against a homosexual more egregious than against a normal grandmother.
Also, such legislation is being used to try to force us women and young girls to use public restrooms with strange men who want to pretend they are women!!! This shows how this group is allowed to do what it wants at the expense of the safety and privacy of women. We will not put up with it. What a lack of common sense! We will just not be able to visit certain cities since we women cannot be guaranteed protections.Currently the Lansing City Council wants to enact this on Nov. 20. Please e-mail the city concil members if you care about the safety of women and children.
Also read all the tracts at the Catholic answers home page for starters. The great commandments apply to homosexuals, too.
I guess the big problem is that homosexuals, by and large hate themselves and so apply that to everyone else, both homosexual and heterosexual. They have many times been abused or rejected by their parents and then they do these totally self-destructive acts and out of their despair hate everyone and everything. Lying is a big part of their lifestyle, too, to themselves and everyone else. Still all this doesn’t mean they should have more rights than everyone else. Actually, it is homosexuals who are prone to commit violence, due to the great hatred they bear everyone else.
Maybe we need to add heterosexuals to the hate crimes legislation. We are the ones who need protection from their acts of violence and hatred.

You arekidding right?And if not, have you thought to discuss your hostilities with your priest?