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Can anyone tell me…

I notice that priests who wear cassocks often have the (french) cuffs of a white shirt showing.

Seeing as they have the roman collar, are the white shirts special shirts with no collars? (or do they just chop the collar off a shirt? - I know my PP just uses a strip of white ice cream container for his tab collar!)

Does anyone know any resource that describes the details of traditional clerical clothes?
 
It is very complicated, but basically, there are special clerical shirts. The only clierics I have known who have worn the shirt with the French cuffs with a cassock have been Anlglican, and then on special occasions only.

The Roman usage is that the cassock is worn over only underwear, including long stockings. There was an old joke that in Rome you could tell the American seminarians, because they were the only ones wearing trousers under their cassocks.
 
jbuck919 said:
It is very complicated, but basically, there are special clerical shirts. The only clierics I have known who have worn the shirt with the French cuffs with a cassock have been Anlglican, and then on special occasions only.

The Roman usage is that the cassock is worn over only underwear, including long stockings. There was an old joke that in Rome you could tell the American seminarians, because they were the only ones wearing trousers under their cassocks.
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worn over only underwear??? eesh…more than i really wanted to know.
 
jbuck919 said:
The Roman usage is that the cassock is worn over only underwear. . . .
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May be the Roman usage, but not the Kansas usage. Every priest around here who wears a cassock, and there are a lot of them, wears it over their pants. Seminarians used to wear cassocks over jeans.
 
I’d have to sit down with the pope and ask him about that. I’m sure he would welcome me because he speaks excellent English and I happen to live in Bavaria. I’ve always wanted to meet him anyway.

They do have a special shirt that they wear under everything which obviously on dress occasions (and the pope is always in dress) sports French cuffs. I’ve only ever seen it on Anglican clerics, and I wonder if anyone has historic photos of other popes wearing such a thing,. Normally what you would see protruding from the chasuble is the long sleeve of the white soutaine (cassock).

The pope, like a general in the US army, is always in uniform. It might be remembered that it is probably a relief to him that he can wear clerical garb at all. For decades, German priests have worn ordinary business suits because of the an enforced tratition dating back to the last secularization. There are pictures of Joseph Ratzinger, Karl Rahner, Hans Kueng, etc. in such garb.

And I was not making it up about only US seminarians and clergy wearing trousers under their cassocks. It is not aq night robe, but the primary wear, and only American clergymen are self conscious about it.
 
JimG said:
May be the Roman usage, but not the Kansas usage. Every priest around here who wears a cassock, and there are a lot of them, wears it over their pants. Seminarians used to wear cassocks over jeans.
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Kansan here, very true, or over their overalls, with a nice ol’ ring of copenhagen (my favorite) in the back pocket !!!👍 👍 :eek:
 
jbuck919 said:
I’ve only ever seen it on Anglican clerics, and I wonder if anyone has historic photos of other popes wearing such a thing…
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I looked through my book of the way of the cross meditations by Pope John Paul II - which has heaps of big colour photos of liturgical celebrations - and in every photo where the cuffs are visible, the Pope and other clerics have french cuffs with cufflinks.

Actually, I just searched google, and they all wore shirts with french cuffs:









http://www.constantinian.org.uk/pictures/spiritual/Pope-Pius-XII.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6026/0004288ip.jpg

But thank you, my main question was answered - i.e. that they have special shirts without collars.
 
Please don’t take offense but do you think it’s really a good idea to be studying a man’s clothes so intently that you notice what whether he’s wearing french cuffs or buttons? Unless he’s your man that’s getting into custody of the eyes territory. :ehh:
 
dympnha said:
Please don’t take offense but do you think it’s really a good idea to be studying a man’s clothes so intently that you notice what whether he’s wearing french cuffs or buttons? Unless he’s your man that’s getting into custody of the eyes territory. :ehh:
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What? French cuffs are sexy??
 
jbuck919 said:
Well, we have members here from Scotland, and a true Scotsman never wears anything under his kilt.
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Being one of the dogs of Clan Cameron, I should point out that the polite terminology for nothing under the kilt (except shoes and socks) is “Marching True”😃
 
I don’t know how to reply just yet… But, I have officially seen a picture of “what the Holy Father wears underneath his cassock.” He wears regular dress slacks that are hemmed a couple of inches above the ankle, so that they are not visible underneath the cassock. Somewhere lower than golf knickers would be. Back in high school, we just would have called them extemely “high-water.”
 
Andruschak said:
Being one of the dogs of Clan Cameron, I should point out that the polite terminology for nothing under the kilt (except shoes and socks) is “Marching True”😃
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That is why the well dressed Cameron never travels without the sgian dubh.
Chlanna nan con thigibh a so’s gheibh sibh feoil. 🙂
 
cameron_lansing said:
That is why the well dressed Cameron never travels without the sgian dubh.
Chlanna nan con thigibh a so’s gheibh sibh feoil. 🙂
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Please remember that if one wears the black knife in the top of the hose, in plain sight for all to see, that is a pledge that you come in peace.
 
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