Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in L.A

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Yet, the beauty of traditional sacred architecture does inspire one during the celebration of Holy Mass…it is part and parcel of the experience. When I am sitting in a glorious cathedral, my soul is uplifted and edified by the beauty which is, itself, a reflection of God’s beauty.
I actually think that the nave of the Cathedral, while simple, is made from materials that are quite beautiful.

I have never thought of this before but the now ‘decommissioned’ chapel of the LA archdiocese undergraduate seminary was somewhat plain and boxy, even while made of fine looking materials.
 
I love the name of that Cathedral. I wonder how many know that the original name of Los Angeles was the “City of Our Lady of the Angels”. God Bless, Memaw
“El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula,” for the city and the similar name for the cathedral.
 
Given the old cathedral was destroyed during the Northridge quake, hopefully this one has a lot of earthquake proofing in the design! Didn’t see anything in the reviews about it though.

Traditional designs aren’t very practical in earthquake country!
 
That it’s one of the premiere edifices in the world in which to actually experience the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I was extremely critical of its design – particularly when compared to the other options that were considered (some were gorgeous!) and my belief that any truly monumental cathedral in California should be based on the California Mission design. I also think the final price tag is absurdly high.

That was before I attended several Masses there over the years – especially the Easter and Christmas Vigil Masses. Let me be very specific: Many cathedrals do a far better job of showing off themselves. None that I have been to do a better job of showing off the Eucharistic Sacrifice. In a sense I view OLA as a “sound stage” for the celebration of the Mass.

The US’s most famous (and arguably most beautiful) cathedral is St. Pat’s in NYC. Stunningly gorgeous outside and inside. Yet it’s plumbed with CCTV so people can actually see and hear the celebration of Mass on TV monitors mounted throughout its interior. The acoustics are far from world class and its “bowling lane” configuration doesn’t exactly facilitate Holy Communion. Nor does its lack of environmental controls facilitate a focus on what’s going on in the sanctuary.

OLA is just the opposite. It looks like an unimpressive avant garde office building on the outside. But the interior – from its entry ambulatory, to its large baptistery, to its superior acoustics, superior seating angles, huge sanctuary, etc., etc. – while far from beautiful, are designed like a theater – all to support what’s going to take place upon the altar of sacrifice. It does a stunningly good job at that.

I think the best of all would be an OLA structure built at a tiny fraction of the cost with better decorations.

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One thing I find odd. Most who negatively judge the OLA have never been inside of it, much less have actually attended a Mass inside of it.**
St. Patrick’s is perhaps the most famous, but I hardly consider it the most beautiful Cathedral. The Cathedral Basilica of Sts Peter and Paul in Philadelphia is far more beautiful on this inside, as are many others like:
  • Cathedral Basilica of St. Louis King of France in New Orleans
  • Cathedral Basilica of Saint Louis in St Louis
  • St. Mary of the Angels in Chicago
  • Cathedral of Saint Paul in St. Paul, MN
St. Pats is nice if you prefer gothic, but there are many other styles, including Roman, etc.

These days, St. Patrick’s is more a museum than a Church.

In regards to the new Cathedrals in CA, I’m not a fan of any of the three. But I devoutly believe that Jesus is there.

God Bless
 
“El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula,” for the city and the similar name for the cathedral.
How about putting that in English?? God Bless, Memaw
 
I actually think that the nave of the Cathedral, while simple, is made from materials that are quite beautiful.

I have never thought of this before but the now ‘decommissioned’ chapel of the LA archdiocese undergraduate seminary was somewhat plain and boxy, even while made of fine looking materials.
Can anyone post some pictures of it for us??? God Bless, Memaw
 
Given the old cathedral was destroyed during the Northridge quake, hopefully this one has a lot of earthquake proofing in the design! Didn’t see anything in the reviews about it though.

Traditional designs aren’t very practical in earthquake country!
I had the privilege of touring the Cathedral while it was being built. It was built with earthquakes in mind.
 
This is not unusual for grand cathedrals, especially those which receive a lot of tourists. You’ll find this to be the case in Rome. Often the Tabernacle is reserved in a special chapel off to the side somewhere. This is not a novel practice.
The meaning is important. Why are they hiding the tabernacle? I would wager it’s one reason for the cathedrals of rome and another for the Taj Mahoney. What that reason is I cannot discern. I would really like to know what goes through the mind of a person who wishes not to give Jesus pride of place in a church. The video made it apparent that it was not easy to find, although another poster disputes this so IDK. I have never been there and have no intentions of visiting the Taj Mahoney.
On the other hand, for the average parish church, I strongly agree that the tabernacle should be “front and centre”. In fact, in Vancouver the Archbishop has mandated such. (Though the cathedral is, again, a bit of an exception…though the tabernacle is still readily visible from basically any location).
Yes that is the diocese in which I live. It’s odd how Vancouver seems to be the exception and the ordinary has to order such a thing be done, and the hiding of the tabernacle seems to be a common thing for the past few decades. Again I really wonder what goes through the mind of the person who takes the tabernacle away from its pride of place and moves it to an antechamber that practically nobody will see.
 
I had the privilege of touring the Cathedral while it was being built. It was built with earthquakes in mind.
I was working as an electrician in several of the nearby high rise office towers while the cathedral was being built, though the shop I worked for did not work on the cathedral (too bad. I would have liked that). Nevertheless, I had a bird’s eye view of the construction. The entire structure rests on 198 rubber isolator pads, so it can move with the shaking of an earthquake. They say it is supposed to last for 500 years (not such good news for the critics). But it is my cathedral and I love it. I go there often 👍.
 
It’s a cathedral, plain and simple. We do not have to think anything of it, other than that it’s cathedral of the Catholic Church.

If we are so inclined, however, we can form our own opinion about its beauty or lack thereof, especially considering its price tag…
 
All true, none of which preclude having an opinion on the architecture and art.
Still it’s an odd question to ask if I may. What should Catholics think? As if Catholics should have a unified view of the Cathedral even from a design POV?

Architecturally some will love it, others will loathe it. You don’t have to like it to respect it as a house of God.

Personally it’s design is not one of my favorite. The Archdiocese of San Francisco and Archdiocese of Los Angeles both have Cathedrals that architecturally just don’t sit right in my personal view for their designed purpose. More traditional designs are better suited to the roles of a cathedral IMO. Such as the Cathedral Basilica of St Joseph in San Jose, Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament in Sacramento or St Joseph’s Cathedral in San Diego for a simpler design to name just a few Catholic cathedrals in California.
 
The prices for some cathedral furnishings have also caused consternation. $5 million was budgeted for the altar, the main bronze doors cost $3 million, $2 million was budgeted for the wooden ambo (lectern) and $1 million for the tabernacle. $1 million was budgeted for the cathedra (bishop’s chair), $250,000 for the presider’s chair, $250,000 for each deacon’s chair, and $150,000 for each visiting bishop’s chair, while pews cost an average of $50,000 each. The cantor’s stand cost $100,000 while each bronze chandelier/speaker cost $150,000.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Angels_(Los_Angeles)
 
Yet, the beauty of traditional sacred architecture does inspire one during the celebration of Holy Mass…it is part and parcel of the experience. When I am sitting in a glorious cathedral, my soul is uplifted and edified by the beauty which is, itself, a reflection of God’s beauty.
Differing views I suppose. When I am at Mass in a huge cathedral, I want to see and hear what’s going on in the sanctuary. It’s the prelude to the sacrifice, the sacrifice itself of course and what liturgically follows that inspires me.

That’s not the sort of thing that I want to watch on a monitor because I’m a football field away from the tiny sanctuary, blocked by a column.
 
Given the old cathedral was destroyed during the Northridge quake, hopefully this one has a lot of earthquake proofing in the design! Didn’t see anything in the reviews about it though.

Traditional designs aren’t very practical in earthquake country!
Admittedly, one of the reasons the OLA Cathedral was so expensive was because an extremely large amount of money was spent to ensure it will withstand tremendous earthquakes.

A lot of has been written about the base-isolator system it employs and the monolithic reinforced concrete pours that make up the cathedral.
 
The prices for some cathedral furnishings have also caused consternation. $5 million was budgeted for the altar, the main bronze doors cost $3 million, $2 million was budgeted for the wooden ambo (lectern) and $1 million for the tabernacle. $1 million was budgeted for the cathedra (bishop’s chair), $250,000 for the presider’s chair, $250,000 for each deacon’s chair, and $150,000 for each visiting bishop’s chair, while pews cost an average of $50,000 each. The cantor’s stand cost $100,000 while each bronze chandelier/speaker cost $150,000.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_the_Angels_(Los_Angeles)
I have no problem with spending what the did – it was all donated after all. I do have problems with the looks of some of these furnishings however.

FWIW, I wrote that wiki…
 
Still it’s an odd question to ask if I may. What should Catholics think? As if Catholics should have a unified view of the Cathedral even from a design POV?

Architecturally some will love it, others will loathe it. You don’t have to like it to respect it as a house of God.

Personally it’s design is not one of my favorite. The Archdiocese of San Francisco and Archdiocese of Los Angeles both have Cathedrals that architecturally just don’t sit right in my personal view for their designed purpose. More traditional designs are better suited to the roles of a cathedral IMO. Such as the Cathedral Basilica of St Joseph in San Jose, Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament in Sacramento or St Joseph’s Cathedral in San Diego for a simpler design to name just a few Catholic cathedrals in California.
My favorite cathedral in CA will be Christ Cathedral in Orange County if they don’t mess up the original award-winning design (it was originally a Protestant church) during the remodel.
 
I actually think that the nave of the Cathedral, while simple, is made from materials that are quite beautiful.

I have never thought of this before but the now ‘decommissioned’ chapel of the LA archdiocese undergraduate seminary was somewhat plain and boxy, even while made of fine looking materials.
I agree. All the (real) alabaster windows are amazing. The natural lighting inside of OLA is warm and stunning. The architect was a genius in that respect. The tiled floor, the cherry wood pews, the wooden roof, the tapestries, etc., etc. are all of extremely high quality.
 
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