Catholic and Deist

[Leela]

Leela, that is exactly what I meant

But according to Jesus of the Bible, the sun rises on the wicked and the good and God’s nourishing rain falls likewise on the righteous an dthe unrighteous.

Do you think that God smiles when he thinks on you and frowns when he thinks of atheists like me? Is God just rooting for you or does he make good things happen to you and bad things happen to nonbelievers?

It is so obvious that that is not how the world works. If it did work that way and the just were always rewarded and the unjust were always punished, there would be no so-called “problem of evil.”

 

[tonyrey]

But according to Jesus of the Bible, the sun rises on the wicked and the good and God’s nourishing rain falls likewise on the righteous and the unrighteous.

And so it does…

Do you think that God smiles when he thinks on you and frowns when he thinks of atheists like me?

God is concerned with sincerity and love, not with our mistakes and blind spots…

Is God just rooting for you or does he make good things happen to you and bad things happen to nonbelievers?

No!

It is so obvious that that is not how the world works.

Correct - because in the words of John Keats, this world is “a vale of soul-making”.

If it did work that way and the just were always rewarded and the unjust were always punished, there would be no so-called “problem of evil.”

The problem of evil exists only when this life is regarded as the sum total of our existence.

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Ultimately there is very little we can do for anyone. Sad God is God. I am Man, a creature; anything I have of benefit to offer anyone comes from God. St Monica prayed for Augustine, patiently stood beside him in his trials. He became a great saint, a Doctor of the Church. God will not take away our free will and the devil cannot.
Breaks your heart sometimes seeing what people put themselves through.
I can give people material things, but ultimately is that helping them.
“My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth and everything in it.”
St Anthony of Padua suggests the best we can do is be a good example. You may be the only Christ a person sees.
A child trips and falls, if I don’t let it the child may not learn to walk.

 

[Sonny1954]

Remember that most Deists find no reason to pray, except for a “Thank you God for the beauty of nature” type prayer. In their view, God probably cannot help but “hear” the prayers people make to Him, but he doesn’t really “listen” to them and certainly does not answer them. God is completely rational and logical. He has no interest in rituals or dogmas or any episcopacy. He is completely detatched from his creation, including us. Deists disagree among themselves over whether there is any conscious survival after death.

I know of people who refer to themselves as “Deist Catholics.” By that I presume that they mean that they observe all of the rituals of Catholicism and say memorized prayers at specific occasions, but that they really don’t expect God to really DO ANYTHING about the problems of our world.

Sometimes, in my darker moments, Deism does seem to “fit the facts” of our world.

 

[kk23wong]

Only science can answer your question.

Else, you are discussing something in your dream.

The conflicts between the East and West ideologies are the major constraints for us to go further.

As I can see, we are a backward “planet” because I cannot think of any intellectual races in the universe (if they once exists or existing) will still send vessals to other planets, even though they know they are exactly inside one. The one they habited in is still alive, while others are dead. It is the biggest joke in human history, and I am wondering the actions of our scientists.

In the meantime, philosophers are talking about things like “souls”, “after-life”, “deamon” and “angels”. Religions are confronting with each others, while our technology remains backward. The development of our civilizations has shortened the “life span” of the Earth. We are coming to the blink of extinctions, since the process of aging (of any living objects) can only be slowed down.

We are not only serving for the God, but also the humankind.
In fact, we are a unity. The God is our mother-in-common from biological prospective.
Meanwhile, the God is a higher level of lives.

“I am thinking about your lives, but you are thinking about OUR death.”

God Bless

Teru Wong

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Only science can answer your question.

Else, you are discussing something in your dream.

The conflicts between the East and West ideologies are the major constraints for us to go further.

As I can see, we are a backward “planet” because I cannot think of any intellectual races in the universe (if they once exists or existing) will still send vessals to other planets, even though they know they are exactly inside one. The one they habited in is still alive, while others are dead. It is the biggest joke in human history, and I am wondering the actions of our scientists.

In the meantime, philosophers are talking about things like “souls”, “after-life”, “deamon” and “angels”. Religions are confronting with each others, while our technology remains backward. The development of our civilizations has shortened the “life span” of the Earth. We are coming to the blink of extinctions, since the process of aging (of any living objects) can only be slowed down.

We are not only serving for the God, but also the humankind.
In fact, we are a unity. The God is our mother-in-common from biological prospective.
Meanwhile, the God is a higher level of lives.

“I am thinking about your lives, but you are thinking about OUR death.”

God Bless

Teru Wong

What are you suggesting?
And are you saying there is philosophical religion and applied theology?
Are you saying that we can become God? He is only a more advanced human?

 

[kk23wong]

What are you suggesting?
And are you saying there is philosophical religion and applied theology?
Are you saying that we can become God? He is only a more advanced human?

The God is actually a Consious Earth.

All the others are our imaginations because of the differences in-between the God and us.

The God is our mother-in-common from biological prospective.
She is a higher form of lives.

Obviously, she is not the one we expected.

Teru Wong

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

The God is actually a Consious Earth.

All the others are our imaginations because of the differences in-between the God and us.

The God is our mother-in-common from biological prospective.
She is a higher form of lives.

Obviously, she is not the one we expected.

Teru Wong

Where did you get this?
Is it Christian? - sounds more Dawkins. Salvation through science.
“God is a higher form of lives” - Mormon / Scientology ?
Do you really expect me to contemplate attempting rational Christian argument with something so foreign? So extraneous?

I could not have put it better than your last comment: “She is not the one we expect”

 

[kk23wong]

Is it Christian? - sounds more Dawkins. Salvation through science.
“God is a higher form of lives” - Mormon / Scientology ?
Do you really expect me to contemplate attempting rational Christian argument with something so foreign? So extraneous?

I could not have put it better than your last comment: “She is not the one we expect”

Thank you very much for your reply.

The God is actually a conscious earth.
It is my scientific “hypothesis” of my individual research project.

From biological prospective, the Earth is a conscious living object which is in a higher level of lives. In the meantime, she is our mother-in-common in biological prospective.

Her manipulations of her gifted ‘power” from birth created our world of her ideals.
Her gifted “power” from birth cannot ignore natural rules.
In return, her nature is similar to us. She cannot escape from death. In which, it is similar to the surrounding planets.

The in-divisibility in-between “the God” (a Conscious Earth) and our civilizations cannot be denied. She is connected with us both mentally and physically.

This is a new hypothesis no one ever did mention before.
Therefore, it takes time for the public to digest.

I have no doubt that “unconditional love” can only be granted by the God, but history reveals that her lust for power drive her far from her charity and love of her nature (physical presence as a planet/a candle of lives).

I am working on this hypothesis as a lifetime project in part-time basis.

The old concepts of the God must be abolished.

She is our mother-in-common from biological prospective.
I hope the truth (by science) will stop both the God and our civilizations from going too far.

What she has done to us is not acceptable as our mother-in-common.

Although human turned her conflicts in heart into reality, her concepts of the world (like after-life and salvations) are abnormal.

Like Protestant in the old days. Lies must kill. Truth may save.

Teru Wong