Catholic and Greek Orthodox Marriage

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My wife an I have been married for 38 years. I am a Catholic and my wife is Greek Orthodox. Although we were married in the Greek Orthodox Church our marriage was approved and blessed by the Catholic Church. We have three wonderful daughters who have been raised in both churches. They were baptized in the Catholic Church and have received all the sacraments. They have also received Chrismation in the Greek Church so as to be able to receive communion in the Greek Church. My whole family goes to mass each week. We split our attendance equally between both churches.

One of our daughters is now getting ready to get married. She is marrying a practicing Catholic, who is in church with us each Sunday. However, for non- religious reasons my daughter would like to get married in the Greek Orthodox Church. However, remaining in the good graces of the Catholic Church is very important to both of them.

What do they both need to do for the Catholic Church to recognize the marriage in the Greek Orthodox church?
If I may say something without appearing harsh, it appears that you have been trying to have your cake and eat it. You cannot be BOTH Catholic AND Eastern Orthodox, you can of course be Eastern Catholic but that is still catholic albeit keeping to the traditions of the East. Also for that matter doesn’t the church require that Children in a mixed marriage be raised in the Catholic faith?

Receiving sacraments at both churches and regularly attending both mass and divine liturgy (at an Orthodox Church) is in fact a grave sin, it is an implicit rejection that the Catholic Church is the One True Church of Christ, it is proclaiming a unity which does not exist and it is contrary to Canon Law. This is most certainly the case for the Catholic church and I suspect that the Orthodox Church will hold a similar view.

Lastly, being married in another church, would of itself most likely be gravely sinful, to do so for ‘cultural reasons’ aggravates the sin.

If you wish to retain the legitimate traditions of the East, I would suggest joining a Greek Catholic parish.
 
now this is a problem - IF you are RC you are asked to abide by the ‘rules and regulations’ of the other Church . I personally can’t see any Orthodox Priest permitting this - if your daughters regarded themselves as Orthodox and Received Holy Communion in BOTH churches they will be regarded as having excommunicated themselves since the Orthodox Church does not accept the Sacraments of the RC Church.
Yes, this is true. Taking communion in the Catholic Church would be excommunicating oneself in the Orthodox Church.

And the whole reason one would have to be chrismated in the OC to receive the Eucharist is because they do not accept the Catholic confirmation as valid!

THe whole situation is very weird.
 
@ Matthew Holford

Her baptism was RC - no doubt of that , BUT if her Chrismation was in the Orthodox Church and after her RC Confirmation , then canonically she is Orthodox , since she has effectively converted in the same way as any RC who converts to the Orthodox Church.

My advice - see the priests in each church and get this mess sorted out.
I agree that her chrismation in the Orthodox Church makes the circumstances complicated. I think this family is trying to be to coin a phrase: “all things to all people”. Obviously, neither the Latin Catholic Church nor any of the Orthodox churches allows this.

The chrismation may make her Orthodox in the eyes of the Greek Orthodox Church. In the eyes of the Latin Catholic Church … once a Catholic always a Catholic.

I would like to sprout wings and six legs and join you on the wall when they see the priest, which I hope in earnest they do.
 
… I think this family is trying to be to coin a phrase: “all things to all people”. Obviously, neither the Latin Catholic Church nor any of the Orthodox churches allows this.

The chrismation may make her Orthodox in the eyes of the Greek Orthodox Church. In the eyes of the Latin Catholic Church … once a Catholic always a Catholic.

I would like to sprout wings and six legs and join you on the wall when they see the priest, which I hope in earnest they do.
The Priest ?

Come on - both Churches are involved in this mess and to some extent have*** possibly*** shut their eyes to what has been going on for some years . I cannot believe that they have not commented about the situation - to successfully hide their attendance at two Churches for 38 years when each partner canonically belongs to a different Church would not be easy .
 
OP

I think all of us here would like to know how things are progressing
 
I am excited to read that your kids were able to baptized in the catholic church! I am catholic and have been dating a greek orthodox for almost 5 yrs. We have had alot have hard times with the discussion of marriage and baptizing future children. I am agreement of an othodox weddingy but wish to have my children baptized in the catholic church. He has told me that is not possible! How did you make the upbringing of children in both churches work. Because i do not want to be an outcast of my own future family because i am not greek and wish to continue with my faith. I love him and want to be married to him!
 
Er, no. There is a particular Greek Catholic Church which is its own sui juris. I know many Byzantine Rite Catholic Churches would refer to themselves as Greek Catholics, but I’m talking about the sui juris Greek Catholic Church.

I think to avoid confusion, they are referred to as the Greek Byzantine Catholic Church: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Byzantine_Catholic_Church
Yes but the Greek Byzantine Catholic Church has no parishes outside of Greece and is EXTREMELY tiny even there.
 
Yes, this is true. Taking communion in the Catholic Church would be excommunicating oneself in the Orthodox Church.

And the whole reason one would have to be chrismated in the OC to receive the Eucharist is because they do not accept the Catholic confirmation as valid!

THe whole situation is very weird.
I know quite a few former RC’s who converted to Orthodoxy by profession of faith…all their Catholic sacraments were seen as “valid”…even 2 priests who converted and were NOT re ordained.
 
Stargazer15

Please do NOT rely on the Original Poster for correct information. Please note that he has not replied to us to tell us just how this all happened . There is no way , at present that his daughters can canonically be both Catholic and Orthodox meaning Greek Orthodox ] as he indicates . This double membership is not permitted by either Church .
 
Dear Stargazer15

Sorry for the delay in responding to you.

Congratulations on finding someone to love. Love is a wonderful blessing. However it requires an absolute commitment on both of your parts if it is going to work. Certainly if you and your boyfriend were able to share the same religion it would be a much easier path to walk. However, the great thing is that there are few truly religious differences between the two churches. Unfortunately, the differences that do exist are important to each church. And as you are discovering both churches have done a good job of developing many mutually exclusive and self perpetuating regulations. Unfortunately, these rules will do more to test your commitment to each other than to unite the two of you.

As you probably know the two churches have been talking for some time about reunifications. If you can get a copy of the Jan-April issue of the Illuminator (the Greek Church’s version of the AD times) there is a great article regarding the reunification talks from the Greek Orthodox Church’s perspective. I will let you come to your own conclusion as to the likely hood that reunification will occur any time soon.

As you have probably discovered there are many very wonderful Greek Traditions. Unfortunately, many of these traditions are so interwoven into their religious practices that it is hard to separate the two. This adds some additional challenges to your desire to work out a mutually acceptable solution to your choice of a family religion(s). Also, as you have discovered the Greeks are a very passionate people. This passion frequently is brought to the decision making process and can create additional challenges. Proceeded with caution, like it or not, you will relive this decision every Sunday of your marriage. Therefore, don’t let yourself be pressured.

You asked about raising the Children. If you don’t mind let me share something about the first step, the marriage. The Greek Orthodox Church will not recognize your marriage if the ceremony is performed in the Catholic Church. However, the Catholic Church will recognize your marriage if the ceremony is performed in the Greek Orthodox Church. To get married in the Greek Orthodox Church, prior to the marriage, all you need to do is to request a dispensation from the Catholic Church. Your parish Priest can help you do this. That is what I did, but to be totally honest with you, after all these years I still wish my ceremony had been in the Catholic Church.

However, there may be another option. Some Greek Orthodox Priests are willing to request approval from their Arch Bishop to allow you and your future husband to get married in the Catholic Church and then for the Greek Orthodox Priest to perform another wedding ceremony in the Greek Orthodox Church. The Catholic marriage being first is the one which is registered with the State, the second ceremony is for religious purposes only.

As far as children are concerned. To my knowledge there is no formal approved method to accomplish what my wife and I did. Both Churches will be asking you to raise your children in their church. Unfortunately I can not help you decide what to say when asked that question. However, contrary to the path which my wife and I took, I would suggest that you select just one church within which to raise the children. You can still go to both Churches as a family. If just means your children will only receive the sacraments from one church.

Unfortunately, it also means that until changes are made you will not be able to go to communion as a family. While the Catholic Church allows Greek Orthodox to receive communion in the Catholic Church (canon law 844.3). The Greek Orthodox Church does not reciprocate for Catholics. Also, it is no surprise, but the Greek Orthodox Church does not want their members to receive communion in the Catholic Church. Although you will find that many Greek Orthodox who are not physically close to a Greek Orthodox Church will go to Catholic Churches and receive communion. (reciprocal communion privileges is one item which is being considered, see the article previously mentioned.)

If you would rather do as my wife and I did. I have to be clear that no one gave us approval to do so. Sometimes it is easier to ask forgiveness than get approval. After each of our children was born we had them Baptized in the Catholic Church. Sometime later each child was Crisimated in the Greek Orthodox. When the time came we enrolled each child in CCD and as such they received their First Communion and Confirmation. On the weeks we attended the Greek Orthodox Church each child would go to Orthodox Sunday school as it runs concurrent with the church service. The Catholic Church does not know of our children’s involvement in the Greek Orthodox Church. However, the Greek Orthodox Priest knows that our children go to the Catholic Church and receive communion there.

This approach has only worked because my wife and I show respect for each others religion. We send our monthly checks to both churches. And we are involved in many activities with both churches. As an example, we are both involved in the food pantries of each church. For Christmas and Birthday presents for each other we will frequently pay the full cost of the food bank for the month for the others spouse’s church.

Our children are now grown, and from their perspective it has been a smooth and normal process. Last year our oldest got married and had to make the best choice for her and her family. Next year our middle daughter is getting married and is now having to deal with these same issues. Whether we made the right decision I still can not tell you. It is what it is. I’ll let God decide.

Good luck with your decision. If you have any other questions let me know.
God Bless. gwrinc
 
Stsrgazer

Despite what has been posted above, your children should you be blessed with them following your marriage ] cannot be members of both the Greek Orthodox Church **and **the Roman Catholic Church.

I urge you both to discuss this with your priests .

There is absolutely no problem with you all attending Church together BUT if Catholic you may only Receive the Holy Gifts in a Catholic Church , but there is nothing against you taking an Orthodox Child forward for them to receive the Holy Gifts in the Orthodox Church . Remember also , that the Orthodox Child will Receive the Holy GIfts Communion ] from her Baptism as an infant. , and this is not permitted in the Roman Catholic Church.

Please please before any of you are in fact excomuunicated from your respective churches this is what will result if an Orthodox Christian receives Communion in a Roman Catholic Church , knowing that it is not permitted ]

Please note I have not mentioned the fact that there are such folk as Eastern Catholics for the reason that you have said you are Catholic by which I understand you to have meant Roman Catholic
 
My wife an I have been married for 38 years. I am a Catholic and my wife is Greek Orthodox. Although we were married in the Greek Orthodox Church our marriage was approved and blessed by the Catholic Church. We have three wonderful daughters who have been raised in both churches. They were baptized in the Catholic Church and have received all the sacraments. They have also received Chrismation in the Greek Church so as to be able to receive communion in the Greek Church. My whole family goes to mass each week. We split our attendance equally between both churches.

One of our daughters is now getting ready to get married. She is marrying a practicing Catholic, who is in church with us each Sunday. However, for non- religious reasons my daughter would like to get married in the Greek Orthodox Church. However, remaining in the good graces of the Catholic Church is very important to both of them.

What do they both need to do for the Catholic Church to recognize the marriage in the Greek Orthodox church?
Nope.

Your child is not Orthodox. She is Catholic.
 
Thank you for the response. We have a meeting set up with an orthodox priest this thur. I’m praying for great guidance and compromise. I just really want to be included on my future family. With him being Greek, having a Greek wedding, our future children speaking Greek , I feel I will not be included with my faith and my traditions. If the children were baptized catholic would he be excommunicated from the church? I feel like having my children if I’m blessed with them not much to ask to be baptized catholic.
 
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