Catholic and non violence

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Is it possible to be a catholic - in full communion šŸ™‚ - and yet believe that violence is never justified? That Jesus commanded us never to use violence for any reason.
 
How would you explain that God ordered the Isrealite to war then?
 
I donā€™t explain it, I am nobody to judge God, yet that was before Jesus came to this world and teached the beatitudes and everything elseā€¦ šŸ™‚ ā† calming down smile
 
My point was that war and violence are not intrinsically evil. In fact I dare say that sometimes to not be violent would be evil.

Christians are not pacifists. A pacifist wants peace at any cost, even over Justice ans equality etcā€¦
 
Jesus commanded us to never use violence for any reason? Can you quote that from something?
 
What about the instructions Jesus gave the soldiers who asked him what they must do to be saved?
 
I would recommend that everyone who is concerned about this read the writings of Dorothy Day.

Matthew CH 5-7 would be a nice read as well. Unfortunately, many Christians consider the Beattitudes nothing more than idealist mumbo jumbo and not the blueprint for living an authentic Christian life.

Read Dorothy Day. Her writingā€™s will make you say :hmmm:
 
I would disagree on the basis of NEVER FIGHTING. I would take up arms if a foreign army attacked this country, or if Islam reunites and attacks the now secularized Europe and is bent on taking the Vatican?

I would fight.
 
Is it possible to be a catholic - in full communion - and yet believe that violence is never justified? That Jesus commanded us never to use violence for any reason.
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Pacifism is a heresy.
 
I donā€™t personally condone random violence, but I would sure as heck fight to protect my children from harm. I guess looking at Saints like Joan of Arc and St. George would tell us that sometimes, fighting for the truth is justified. But thatā€™s just my opinion.
 
ā€œhe that hath no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one.ā€-Luke 22:36

St. George, St. James the Moor Slayer, Christians should never be the agressor but the strap on the Crusand Armor once in a while to defend yourself, way of life, or the faith is IMO glorious.
 
The catechism is very clear that war and violence is sometimes necessary (and even just) in the world. The God of the Old Testament is the same God that appears in the New Testament. If violence was sometimes needed in the O.T. then it follows it might be sometimes needed in these A.D. times. Nobody would just sit by peacefully watching if an ā€œevil doerā€ broke into their house with the intent the harm or kill members of their family. It maybe difficult sometimes to use discresion as to when the excersize of violence would be just, but it is more in keeping with Catholic tradition then to say that one will bow out and never use force under any circumstance.

having said that pacifists are admirable for the intentions of their beliefs, but, as was said earlier, pacifism is a heresy.

peace,

tom
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Pacifism is a heresy.
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Pacifism is NOT a heresy!!

The Catachism say:

2311 Public authorities should make equitable provision for those who for reasons of conscience refuse to bear arms; these are nonetheless obliged to serve the human community in some other way.

Of course those who refuse to bear arms are considered pacifist. Here the Church is saying that equitable provisions should be made for those who refuse to bear arms. Pacifist are heretics? :nope:
 
Of course those who refuse to bear arms are considered pacifist.
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Pacfism is heretical if it states that disputes between nations must be settled peacefully, and that war and/or self-defense is never justifiable.
 
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Pacfism is heretical if it states that disputes between nations must be settled peacefully, and that war and/or self-defense is never justifiable.
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DV,

Even if pacifism states either of those things, it is not heretical. You really need to learn what the word means before you continue to apply it to every idea with which you disagree.

Many years,

Neil
 
Even if pacifism states either of those things, it is not heretical.
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Heresy is one or another denial of a truth of the Catholic faith. The Church has always taught that participation in warfare can be justified, even praiseworthy!

To deny this teaching of the Church would thus be heretical.

To deny articles of moral theology is just as heretical as denying an article of the Creed.
 
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Heresy is one or another denial of a truth of the Catholic faith. The Church has always taught that participation in warfare can be justified, even praiseworthy!
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Please cite the Church teaching that says warfare can be praiseworthy. Not necessary, but praiseworthy. Not some bishopā€™s opinion, but Church Teaching. Thanks.
 
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I would recommend that everyone who is concerned about this read the writings of Dorothy Day.
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Sorry, the Catholic Worker movement is committed to non-violence, voluntary poverty, prayer, hospitality for the homeless, the exiled, the hungry and foresaken. And they protest injustice, war, racism, and violence of all forms.

No red-blooded Catholic who admires George Bush and what heā€™s done would have anything to do with those wimps.

Catholic Workers even marched with the - gasp! - Communists in the 1930s to protest racism.

Dorothy Day was a socialist who had a bastard child by her common law marriage with an anarchist. No, nice Catholics wouldnā€™t have anything to do with the likes of her and her kind. Nor with Peter Maurin, her anarchist buddy.

Why read anything they wrote?
 
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