Catholic and Orthodox: Best of both worlds

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ConstantineTG said:
I’m guessing a bit here, but St. Augustine never taught Original Sin as a doctrine. It was really St. Thomas of Aquinas who turned that into what the RCC believes today, and what the Orthodox Church rejects.
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I don’t believe St Augustine did much more than connect the two words, for sure in City of God. As to what the CC believes today there’s no doubt influence from many including St Thomas, and we can’t forget Duns Scotus understanding of predestination in particular.

The Apostle Paul in Romans developed the doctrine:D, for example Romans 5:12. [Just took us a bit to catch on. The catching on bit comes by the Grace of God.] Same as how you came to this understanding of Augustine. 😉

“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned”
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
What about the Doctrinal Development of the Holy Trinity, the idea that God is Trinity: Father, Son & Holy Spirit? It’s not found in the Bible
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It most certainly is. Not the word, “Trinity”…but the concept is very clear…especially at Christ’s Baptism and Transfiguration. On the other hand, RC doctrines such as IC and purgatory are not clear in the Scriptures…and I would argue that they are not there at all. 🤷
 
Mickey said:
I’m not a big fan of the Balamand Statement. I am pleased that not all Orthodox jurisdictions signed. And I am pleased that it is not binding in any way.
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That’s quite understandable; but I would say that it isn’t relevant to the particular point I was making, which is that Catholics don’t (or at least, aren’t supposed to) encourage Orthodox to convert to Catholicism.

P.S. Arguably, we also aren’t supposed to encourage Orthodox to receive communion in a Catholic church, but I see that more as a grey area.
 
Peter_J said:
Catholics don’t (or at least, aren’t supposed to) encourage Orthodox to convert to Catholicism.
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Well of course not. Conversion must come from the heart…metanoia.
Peter_J said:
P.S. Arguably, we also aren’t supposed to encourage Orthodox to receive communion in a Catholic church, but I see that more as a grey area.
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It is the Orthodox believers themselves that should know that they are not to receive at the Catholic Church.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I don’t believe St Augustine did much more than connect the two words, for sure in City of God. As to what the CC believes today there’s no doubt influence from many including St Thomas, and we can’t forget Duns Scotus understanding of predestination in particular.

The Apostle Paul in Romans developed the doctrine:D, for example Romans 5:12. [Just took us a bit to catch on. The catching on bit comes by the Grace of God.] Same as how you came to this understanding of Augustine. 😉

“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned”
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Ah yes, the famous one he misinterpreted because he read it in Latin and the translation was bad from the Greek. The Greek Fathers had no problem understanding what Romans meant.
 
Mickey said:
It is the Orthodox believers themselves that should know that they are not to receive at the Catholic Church.
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But presumably you wouldn’t put receiving-communion-in-a-Catholic-church on par with uniatism/converting-to-Catholicism? That is to say, it wouldn’t be considered a departure from the Orthodox Church, right?
 
Peter_J said:
But presumably you wouldn’t put receiving-communion-in-a-Catholic-church on par with uniatism/converting-to-Catholicism? That is to say, it wouldn’t be considered a departure from the Orthodox Church, right?
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It is. If you receive Communion from another Church, you are in communion with them, thus have left the Orthodox Church.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Ah yes, the famous one he misinterpreted because he read it in Latin and the translation was bad from the Greek. The Greek Fathers had no problem understanding what Romans meant.
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He had a little trouble with the Greek. 🙂
 
GaryTaylor said:
He had a little trouble with the Greek. 🙂
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Because it wasn’t his first language.

This is why I realized that the Orthodox Church understands more what is in Scripture than the West, because Scripture was originally in Greek and they understood the context better.
 
ConstantineTG said:
It is. If you receive Communion from another Church, you are in communion with them, thus have left the Orthodox Church.
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But we wouldn’t consider an Orthodox (or a member of the ACoE or PNCC for that matter) who receives communion from us to be in full communion with us.
 
Peter_J said:
But we wouldn’t consider an Orthodox (or a member of the ACoE or PNCC for that matter) who receives communion from us to be in full communion with us.
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But that is what being in communion is, you share the Eucharist. How can you not be in communion with someone who receives Communion from you?
 
ConstantineTG said:
But that is what being in communion is, you share the Eucharist. How can you not be in communion with someone who receives Communion from you?
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I respect your opinion, but you’re in a pretty small minority. Catholic, Anglicans, and Lutherans all see a difference between “full communion” and “inter-communion”.

I’m not even sure that most Orthodox agree with you. How many Orthodox do you know who believe that an Eastern Orthodox who receives the eucharist in an Oriental Orthodox parish, is in full communion with the Oriental Orthodox (or vice versa)?
 
Peter_J said:
I respect your opinion, but you’re in a pretty small minority. Catholic, Anglicans, and Lutherans all see a difference between “full communion” and “inter-communion”.

I’m not even sure that most Orthodox agree with you. How many Orthodox do you know who believe that an Eastern Orthodox who receives the eucharist in an Oriental Orthodox parish, is in full communion with the Oriental Orthodox (or vice versa)?
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Not alot, if you discount those who have some permission from their bishops to do so.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Not alot, if you discount those who have some permission from their bishops to do so.
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So … if an Eastern Orthodox receives the eucharist in an Oriental Orthodox parish, with the permission of both bishops, is he/she in full communion with the Oriental Orthodox?
 
Peter_J said:
So … if an Eastern Orthodox receives the eucharist in an Oriental Orthodox parish, with the permission of both bishops, is he/she in full communion with the Oriental Orthodox?
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They would be. And they would be excommunicated from the Eastern Orthodox Church.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I wish I had a dollar for everytime someone mentions Orthodoxy here and someone will respond with “have you tried Eastern Catholic Churches?” I would have singlehandedly funded for our new church building.
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That’s because this is a Catholic forum. What else could you expect??? It’s totally logical.
 
Peter_J said:
So … if an Eastern Orthodox receives the eucharist in an Oriental Orthodox parish, with the permission of both bishops, is he/she in full communion with the Oriental Orthodox?
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The Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox can be very close…especially outside of this country. There can be exceptional circumstances where a blessing is given by the bishop (I suppose as a form of economia). But you already know this. This is not the norm…and you know this also. Orthodox Chhistians (except in cases of exceptional circumstances ) are not to receive Holy Communion in non-Orthodox Churches.

What point are you trying to make here?
 
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