Catholic and Orthodox reunion

[JJ452]

Oh brother … not again … best I bow out of this.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is meant by (“old style”)

Thanks

 

[JRKH]

Okay, I don’t want to sound rude here, but I don’t exactly know what you mean. Of course I don’t see it that way! If I did, I most certainly wouldn’t be studying Catholicism, or entering the Catholic Church in 2 years! Also, I do pray that the Orthodox will come back into union with the Catholic Church, because that would mean my parents would come home, too.

I meant that I hope that reunion will someday occur.

And this does not mean that I want anyone to be “wrong”…I want everyone, east and west, to come to a deeper understanding of Truth. After all THAT is what Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would lead us to.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Does that mean what I think it means? IOW, are you saying the Orthodox are “obviously wrong” or am I missing something?

No it does not mean what you think it means…It appears you are missing something.

I hope that everyone comes closer together in Truth…in Humility…and in Love.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Oh brother … not again … best I bow out of this.

Oh Brother is right.

Brothers and sisters - forgive me for posting something that has apparently been used to start the thread down this path.

What we are witnessing in some of these posts is precisely the wrong way to go about ecumenical dialogue…

Fortunately I’m sure those from the East and the West, charged with the various dialogues between the communions will take a different approach.

Peace
James

 

[thequietsinger]

I’m not saying that I wish this wouldn’t happen. Is what I’m saying is that there are way too many differences in dogmas and disciplines; the emphasis and application thereof, with many years between these differences. And I perceive Francis, bishop of Rome, to be reverting back to the “cafeteria” style way of thinking; believe what you want as long as you’re a good guy and nice person. This in itself wouldn’t hold with the Eastern Orthodox.

I agree with you completely. The Orthodox are so stubborn and set in their ways that they won’t even consider the Catholic teachings. At least, that is what I’ve been told. I don’t know what to think of Pope Francis. He seems to be a wonderful Pope! Yet, with the talk of celibacy possibly being changed, I’m constantly having mixed feelings about him

 

[thequietsinger]

I meant that I hope that reunion will someday occur.

And this does not mean that I want anyone to be “wrong”…I want everyone, east and west, to come to a deeper understanding of Truth. After all THAT is what Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would lead us to.

Peace
James

Okay, that’s what I thought you meant. Thanks for the clarification!

I understand that, and I agree with you. It would be absolutely wonderful if the East and West could finally settle their differences, so we would all be together again. Whether it be in my lifetime or not, or if there is even a sliver a chance, I will continue to pray for it!

 

[malphono]

The Orthodox are so stubborn and set in their ways that they won’t even consider the Catholic teachings. At least, that is what I’ve been told.

Let’s just put it this way: stubbornness is a two-edged sword. I’ll have to leave it at that.

 

[dzheremi]

With friends (and threads) like these, I don’t think it’s dismissive in the least to say that the question of the OP or any particular answer to it is definitely putting the cart before the horse, to put it mildly.

 

[JJ452]

I agree with you completely. The Orthodox are so stubborn and set in their ways that they won’t even consider the Catholic teachings. At least, that is what I’ve been told. I don’t know what to think of Pope Francis. He seems to be a wonderful Pope! Yet, with the talk of celibacy possibly being changed, I’m constantly having mixed feelings about him

I don’t know what to think about Francis either. From what I’ve seen and read; he’s out just to fill the pews.

 

[malphono]

With friends (and threads) like these, I don’t think it’s dismissive in the least to say that the question of the OP or any particular answer to it is definitely putting the cart before the horse, to put it mildly.

You’ll get no argument from me about that.

 

[thequietsinger]

Let’s just put it this way: stubbornness is a two-edged sword. I’ll have to leave it at that.

I understand, and I also know many Catholics are stubborn, as well. Note: I should have put “can be” instead of “are” for both. I think until the Church elders from both sides, or both the Orthodox and Catholic say and/or do something about it, we will be forever split in two. I don’t know how many out there dislike the Orthodox, or vise versa, and I also don’t know how many would like both to unite into one again.

 

[R_C]

I think that both highly impractical and unlikely.

Not to mention that it would be absolutely contrary to historical fact, tradition, and organic development.

I don’t really think we need to be overly concerned with this matter; as there will never be a complete unification between the East and the West.

You know what? You are right! I was fooled for a second by that quote, “I want them to be all one, Father, as you and I are one…they shall become one flock with one shepherd”, and by that other quote, “I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.”

But clearly that is impractical and unlikely, contrary to history and tradition and development, and ultimately will never occur…after all, if it is impossible for man, then who can do it?

(Ps" please don’t be upset…I am trying to throw in some humor let’s keep praying!)

 

[MorEphrem]

But clearly that is impractical and unlikely, contrary to history and tradition and development, and ultimately will never occur…after all, if it is impossible for man, then who can do it?

Wow, way to take my quote WAY out of context. Really, congratulations, it takes effort to misconstrue that badly. I was referring to the idea that hierarchies would be conflated and there would just be general councils instead of governing local synods in communion with each other. I NEVER said anything against universal unification. Get off your high horse and stop preaching at someone who didn’t say anything contrary.

That in itself is one of the major obstacles with with a unification: many Latins like to misconstrue everything and bend your arm if it isn’t said exactly how they want it .

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’d rather forgive everyone and move on, much better than being attached by the grudge of infamous incidents.

 

[Peter_J]

Oh brother … not again … best I bow out of this.

Personally, I’m just reading some posts and skipping others. Which is to say, for me it isn’t a question of bowing out, because I didn’t completely “bow in” in the first place.

 

[Peter_J]

I don’t really think we need to be overly concerned with this matter; as there will never be a complete unification between the East and the West.

Never? Talk about one extreme to another.

I believe it’s foolish to speak of Orthodox-Catholic (or Catholic-Orthodox) reunion as if it is something that will happen this century, or next century or whatever; but surely it’s also foolish to try to say with any degree of certainty that it will never happen no matter how many centuries pass.

 

[Peter_J]

I do not think they will come back at all -they have had 1100 years to do so

You’re off by a factor of 2 … Catholics and Orthodox have only been fully in schism since the Council of Florence, about 550 years ago.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Never? Talk about one extreme to another.

I believe it’s foolish to speak of Orthodox-Catholic (or Catholic-Orthodox) reunion as if it is something that will happen this century, or next century or whatever; but surely it’s also foolish to try to say with any degree of certainty that it will never happen no matter how many centuries pass.

I don’t believe its uncommon that members of either Orthodox or the Catholic Church’s are in complete support of their Church. In my opinion I believe the conversations have done a great deal of good to enhance understanding, be it they only confirm one or the others conviction.

What becomes apparent and cannot be ignored is you come to realize their are very good Christians in these Church’s. I’ve enjoyed the conversations over time with many members here and they certainly have eloquently expressed another view of historic understanding.

 

[malphono]

Never? Talk about one extreme to another.

I believe it’s foolish to speak of Orthodox-Catholic (or Catholic-Orthodox) reunion as if it is something that will happen this century, or next century or whatever; but surely it’s also foolish to try to say with any degree of certainty that it will never happen no matter how many centuries pass.

I have to more-or-less agree.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I seem to think that the usual (tired) mainly MP-inspired Orthodox polemic is in direct reaction to the (tired) RCC position of absolute intransigence on certain things that they consider “hot button” issues. And I’m not speaking of the (tired) filioque thing either. Think “1870” and you’ll understand what I mean …

 

[JJ452]

Hello MalPhono:

I’m unfamiliar with the termonology “old style”. Would you please tell me what it eans? Thank You