Catholic and Orthodox Saints?

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I was on Wikipedia looking at a list of Saints, I noticed that there were some that were considered Saints in the Catholic Church, but Blessed in the Orthodox Church, and vice-versa, whats that about?
 
Orthodox use has “Blessed” refer to those departed servants of God who have not been formally glorified (Orthodox term), but for whom there is popular devotion. Example: Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) of Platina, who has icons of him, sometimes exposed in churches, labelled “Blessed Seraphim the New.”

Some, such as St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, have been called “Blessed” for so long that that they are generally still referred to as that.

Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not always accurate about things (especially church stuff), and must be approached with caution.
 
There are also saints that may be venerated locally in some Eastern Catholic churches that do not have much or any devotion amongst the Latin Catholics.
 
Wow. Thanks for the story of Mar Qardagh,Ronyodish. It is very inspiring, even for non-Assyrians/Chaldeans like me. 🙂
 
Wow. Thanks for the story of Mar Qardagh,Ronyodish. It is very inspiring, even for non-Assyrians/Chaldeans like me.
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You’re welcome brother, and may God bless you!

Rony
 
Rony,

I was checking out that calendar you posted and it got me wondering…

In our Church, we refer to the Pope of Rome as “Mar Papa”, and our Catholicos as Moran Mor Baselios… during the Thubden/Diptychs…

How do you refer to the Pope and your Catholicos-Patriarch?
 
Rony,
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I was checking out that calendar you posted and it got me wondering…
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In our Church, we refer to the Pope of Rome as “Mar Papa”, and our Catholicos as Moran Mor Baselios… during the Thubden/Diptychs…
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How do you refer to the Pope and your Catholicos-Patriarch?
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SyroMalankara,

By the way, the reference in the calendar to “Memorial of Mar Papa, Patriarch” is a reference to Mar Papa bar Gaggai, an early Church of the East Catholicos-Patriarch.

When we speak of the Pope of Rome at home and in the community, we refer to him as Papa, just like you guys, specifically, we say: Maran Papa. In the liturgy, we say: Mar Benedictos, Kumra Rabba, Papa d-Romai (Lord/Sir Benedict, High Pontiff, Pope of Rome).

To the Patriarch, we say: Mar 'Ammanuel, Qatholiqa Pataryarkis (Lord/Sir Emmanuel, Catholicos-Patriarch).
Is this Mar Qardagh a Catholic Saint?
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bacon man,

Yes, he is a local martyr-saint of the Chaldean and Assyrian Catholics. He is remembered on Sept. 4 in our particular liturgical calendar. He is also venerated among the separated Assyrian Christians.
You know after reading that I want to buy that book if I can find a reasonably priced copy. Very good story, and inspiring, too.
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GeorgeSword,

Amazon has a used copy for about 25 bucks. I’m glad you found the story inspiring. 🙂

Mar Qardagh, pray for us!

God bless,

Rony
 
*Hi dear friends,
If someone is treating a saint as one should treat God, then yes, that is idolatry. That being said, Catholics believe that the saints have a role in.
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when you say glorified, are you referring to Canonization? as Fr. Ambrose always say that in the EO there is no difference if someone is called Saint or Blessed, as both terms mean the same thing… a saint

thanks
marlo
bpbasilphx said:
Orthodox use has “Blessed” refer to those departed servants of God who have not been formally glorified (Orthodox term), but for whom there is popular devotion. Example: Hieromonk Seraphim (Rose) of Platina, who has icons of him, sometimes exposed in churches, labelled “Blessed Seraphim the New.”

Some, such as St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, have been called “Blessed” for so long that that they are generally still referred to as that.

Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not always accurate about things (especially church stuff), and must be approached with caution.
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marlo said:
when you say glorified, are you referring to Canonization? as Fr. Ambrose always say that in the EO there is no difference if someone is called Saint or Blessed, as both terms mean the same thing… a saint

thanks
marlo
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Sorry, marlo. I just now found your posting and question.

“Glorified” is the proper Orthodox term, though some use “canonized”.

The original meaning of the Latin term referred to the first time the new saint’s name was inserted into the proper place in the Canon of the Mass on his/her feast day.
 
What I wonder is why the western church seems to completely ignore Catholic saints of the east. Saints like Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Nikolas, Gregory of Nazianzus, etc.

If it wasn’t for the fact that when I was a kid, we went to a Byzantine Rite church, I probably would have no idea these saints existed.
 
Bataar said:
What I wonder is why the western church seems to completely ignore Catholic saints of the east. Saints like Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Nikolas, Gregory of Nazianzus, etc.

If it wasn’t for the fact that when I was a kid, we went to a Byzantine Rite church, I probably would have no idea these saints existed.
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I do not think they are ignored just our ignorance of them. I have heard alot about John Chrysostom and a little about Saint Basil.
 
Bataar said:
What I wonder is why the western church seems to completely ignore Catholic saints of the east. Saints like Basil the Great, John Chrysostom, Nikolas, Gregory of Nazianzus, etc.

If it wasn’t for the fact that when I was a kid, we went to a Byzantine Rite church, I probably would have no idea these saints existed.
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Funny. Most Orthodox I know would consider these to be Orthodox saints.

OTOH, I’m not aware of any Byzantine Catholics who would have great devotion to Ss.
Charbel, Nimatullah, and Rafka, Are you?
 
Bataar said:
John Chrysostom
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I don’t understand how they could ignore John Chrysostom. Any church worth two cents should at least show off his Paschal homily. The man was rather eloquent, even if I disagree with a few things.
Saint John Chrysostom:
If any man be devout and loveth God,
Let him enjoy this fair and radiant triumphal feast!
If any man be a wise servant,
Let him rejoicing enter into the joy of his Lord.

If any have laboured long in fasting,
Let him how receive his recompense.
If any have wrought from the first hour,
Let him today receive his just reward.
If any have come at the third hour,
Let him with thankfulness keep the feast.
If any have arrived at the sixth hour,
Let him have no misgivings;
Because he shall in nowise be deprived therefore.
If any have delayed until the ninth hour,
Let him draw near, fearing nothing.
And if any have tarried even until the eleventh hour,
Let him, also, be not alarmed at his tardiness.

For the Lord, who is jealous of his honour,
Will accept the last even as the first.
He giveth rest unto him who cometh at the eleventh hour,
Even as unto him who hath wrought from the first hour.
And He showeth mercy upon the last,
And careth for the first;
And to the one He giveth,
And upon the other He bestoweth gifts.
And He both accepteth the deeds,
And welcometh the intention,
And honoureth the acts and praises the offering.

Wherefore, enter ye all into the joy of your Lord;
Receive your reward,
Both the first, and likewise the second.
You rich and poor together, hold high festival!
You sober and you heedless, honour the day!
Rejoice today, both you who have fasted
And you who have disregarded the fast.
The table is full-laden; feast ye all sumptuously.
The calf is fatted; let no one go hungry away.
Enjoy ye all the feast of faith:
Receive ye all the riches of loving-kindness.

Let no one bewail his poverty,
For the universal Kingdom has been revealed.
Let no one weep for his iniquities,
For pardon has shown forth from the grave.
Let no one fear death,
For the Saviour’s death has set us free.
He that was held prisoner of it has annihilated it.

By descending into Hell, He made Hell captive.
He embittered it when it tasted of His flesh.
And Isaiah, foretelling this, did cry:
Hell, said he, was embittered
When it encountered Thee in the lower regions.

It was embittered, for it was abolished.
It was embittered, for it was mocked.
It was embittered, for it was slain.
It was embittered, for it was overthrown.
It was embittered, for it was fettered in chains.
It took a body, and met God face to face.
It took earth, and encountered Heaven.
It took that which was seen, and fell upon the unseen.

O Death, where is thy sting?
O Hell, where is thy victory?

Christ is risen, and thou art overthrown!
Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen!
Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice!
Christ is risen, and life reigns!
Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave.
For Christ, being risen from the dead,
Is become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep.

To Him be glory and dominion
Unto ages of ages.

Amen.
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I do not think they are ignored just our ignorance of them. I have heard alot about John Chrysostom and a little about Saint Basil.
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I’ve also heard about them a lot, even before I started going to Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine form frequently. Traditional (Tridentine) Latin-rite Catholics talk about them a lot, along with St. Athanasius - or at least traditional publishing houses sell their books.

I do wish that when Roman-rite Catholics refer to “St. Anthony” they would mean “St. Anthony the Great”. With all due respect to the other St. Anthony (of Padua), he wasn’t the original prototype of monasticism, and it seems that we ought to give the other one primacy.
 
What I would like to know is which Eastern Saints actually have their cult approved by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church (which is neither Eastern nor Western)?

E.g., do (or should) Catholics venerate St. Symeon the New Theologian (who died before the schism, after all)?

St. Sergius of Radonezh, who was canonized by the Pope, lived after the schism; are there any other Eastern Orthodox saints approved by Rome? Someone on a forum here said that Gregory Palamas is on the Melkite calendar; has this been approved by the Vatican? (He was regarded as a heretic by Latin theologians for centuries, although I cannot find a single statement from the Pope, the Holy Office, or CDF condemning a single one of his teachings, and nor were they brought up as an obstacle to union at Florence.)

What about St. Seraphim of Sarov, beloved by many Catholics (including John Paul II) as well as the Orthodox?
 
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