We don’t promote schisms, but there are times when Anglicans of their own accord decide to leave Anglicanism for Catholicism. Our popes, especially Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, have recognized this and make reasonable accommodation for those persons (e.g the Anglican Use and the Anglican Ordinariates).The solution does not lay in more division and schism. Schism is what led to these problems in the first place.
I just heard on Immaculate Heart radio today that the Anglican Communion has decided to ordain women bishops?Anglicans, of various types, acknowledge this tragedy, too. Others, not so much.
GKC
Several member Churches of the Anglican Communion already have, for some years, placed miters on the heads of women. What just happened was the long expected and inevitable addition of the Church of England to that group.I just heard on Immaculate Heart radio today that the Anglican Communion has decided to ordain women bishops?
Someone was trying to explain that this group was a worldwide collective (can’t remember name for sure) so I was not sure if this was a splinter group, or what is considered the “main” governing authority.
The decision to ordain women has been one of those elements that is considered a departure from the Apostolic faith.
ACNA is not part of the Communion, of course, although it has close links with other churches which are.I belonged to an anglican church associated with the ACNA back in 2007-2008. The priest went to nigeria and met the bishop and the bishop flew to the u.s. to visit anglican parishes. It was all so new and everyone was excited we would be practicing traditional anglicanism.
I wonder what will happen now. Back then, I don’t even think the terrorists were causing problems in nigeria. Very sad everything that has transpired in nigeria and in anglicanism over the last 7 years. I feel I have witnessed the death of the anglican communion.
It is almost like there was a deliberate plan put in place to rip apart the communion and they succeeded.
It was 7 years ago and we were under a diocese in either uganda or nigeria.ACNA is not part of the Communion, of course, although it has close links with other churches which are.
But Picky is correct, ACNA is in communion with many of the constituent Churches of the Anglican Communion. But it is not a part of the Anglican Communion.It was 7 years ago and we were under a diocese in either uganda or nigeria.
Where does that leave Anglicans who still cling to the Apostolic faith? Where can an Anglican go? I did not realize that so much departure had occurred I guess. I knew that the Episcopal Church in America was far more liberal, but I had a fantasy that the Church of England still held a bastion of faith in this eroding society.Several member Churches of the Anglican Communion already have, for some years, placed miters on the heads of women. What just happened was the long expected and inevitable addition of the Church of England to that group.
This is in addition to placing collars on women, practiced among a majority of the members Churches of the Anglican Communion, which has been going on even longer.
There is no main governing group amongst Anglicans.
Yes, among many groups, including some Anglicans, your last statement is recognized as true.
GKC
Satan likes to separate and divide. This is how he takes over the House.I feel I have witnessed the death of the anglican communion.
It is almost like there was a deliberate plan put in place to rip apart the communion and they succeeded.
One can go here and there. I am in the Continuum.Where does that leave Anglicans who still cling to the Apostolic faith? Where can an Anglican go? I did not realize that so much departure had occurred I guess. I knew that the Episcopal Church in America was far more liberal, but I had a fantasy that the Church of England still held a bastion of faith in this eroding society.
I think if I was Anglican I would be despairing. Actually, I am despairing!
III. THE PRESENCE OF CHRIST
Communion with Christ in the Eucharist presupposes his true presence, effectually signified by the bread and wine which, in this mystery, become his body and blood2. The real presence of his body and blood can, however, only be understood within the context of the redemptive activity whereby he gives himself, and in himself reconciliation, peace and life, to his own. On the one hand, the eucharistic gift springs out of the paschal mystery of Christ’s death and resurrection, in which God’s saving purpose has already been definitively realised. On the other hand, its purpose is to transmit the life of the crucified and risen Christ to his body, the church, so that its members may be more fully united with Christ and with one another.
Christ is present and active, in various ways, in the entire eucharistic celebration. It is the same Lord who through the proclaimed word invites his people to his table, who through his minister presides at that table, and who gives himself sacramentally in the body and blood of his paschal sacrifice. It is the Lord present at the right hand of the Father, and therefore transcending the sacramental order, who thus offers to his church, in the eucharistic signs, the special gift of himself.
Side note on the photos; one sees a chasuble on one bishop in each photo. The vestment for Mass that was shared together.
Well say “hi” to Q for me!One can go here and there. I am in the Continuum.
GKC
But they celebrate the anglican communion correct and follow the 39 articles?ACNA is not part of the Communion, of course, although it has close links with other churches which are.
As with all Anglicans the attitudes toward the Articles will vary. They are not an Anglican Confession, and are not binding , generally, on Anglicans.But they celebrate the anglican communion correct and follow the 39 articles?
I once rode in an elevator with John de Lancie.Well say “hi” to Q for me!
It has been so long ago I don’t remember if we used the 1928 prayerbook or the 1979 prayerbook. I once attended an episcopal church that had 2 Sunday services -one with the 1928 ptayerbook and a later one with the 1979 prayerbook.As with all Anglicans the attitudes toward the Articles will vary. They are not an Anglican Confession, and are not binding , generally, on Anglicans.
If by celebrate the Anglican communion, you mean they use some form of the Prayer Book , to celebrate the Eucharist, yes. Usually the 1979 Book, I would think.
GKC
Both the 28 and the 79 books are authorized, along with the 1662, in the ACNA.It has been so long ago I don’t remember if we used the 1928 prayerbook or the 1979 prayerbook. I once attended an episcopal church that had 2 Sunday services -one with the 1928 ptayerbook and a later one with the 1979 prayerbook.
When I belonged to the anglican church that was part of the ACNA I still felt like I was part of the anglican communion. The services were exactly the same only we were able to retain the traditions and conservative values. However, for me, it still was not enough. I wanted authority and made the decision to convert to catholicism.
No idea what the future might look like in front of me, either.If there had been stability and good leadership in the anglican communion I would have stayed, but I did not know what the future held for the ACNA or the anglican communion so I was left with no other choice. There was definitely trepidation in converting and there have been challenges but the RCC does seem like home.
I do wish I lived in a city that had an ordinariate to see what that was like.