Catholic Anglican split/breakaway

[wango]

Where can I find information about what led the Church of England to break away from the Catholic curch. Is it the Church hierachy in England that broke away or was it King Henry VIII that forced the churhc in Englnad to break away. Asked differently, was there a difference between the Catholic Church in England and the rest of the Catholic Church or was it the Catholic Church vs King Henry VIII?

 

[GKC]

Where can I find information about what led the Church of England to break away from the Catholic curch. Is it the Church hierachy in England that broke away or was it King Henry VIII that forced the churhc in Englnad to break away. Asked differently, was there a difference between the Catholic Church in England and the rest of the Catholic Church or was it the Catholic Church vs King Henry VIII?

It was mainly Henry vs. Clement VII, with Charles V in the immediate background. It is a complicated piece of history, though you will often find folks who espouse the comic strip version.I highly recommend HENRY VIII, by J. J. Scarisbrick, for an understanding of what went on.

GKC

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

It was mainly Henry vs. Clement VII, with Charles V in the immediate background. It is a complicated piece of history, though you will often find folks who espouse the comic strip version.I highly recommend HENRY VIII, by J. J. Scarisbrick, for an understanding of what went on.

GKC

For the benefit of those who would rather have leprosy than read anything by a Protestant - Professor Scarisbrick is a Catholic “in good standing” ​

This site has some useful items:

• tudors.org/index.php

 

[GKC]

For the benefit of those who would rather have leprosy than read anything by a Protestant - Professor Scarisbrick is a Catholic “in good standing” ​

This site has some useful items:

• tudors.org/index.php

And the good prof is the best single source for what happened with old Hank, that I know of. And I know a lot of 'em.

GKC

 

[scott122]

If I remember my English history correctly, there was a tug of war between the king and the church’s bishops over government of the church in England, even before Henry’s problems with the pope over his divorce. Parliament granted him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, but the pope refused to agree.

So Henry forced Parliament to declare him head of the Church in England so that the bishops wouldn’t be under the pope’s jurisdiction. Remember that Parliament has two houses, the House of Lords - which included the bishops - and the House of Commons And then he got 99% of the Catholic bishops to approve of this, even those that had held back previously.

Essentially the bishops agreed with the king to separate the Church in England from the universal Church.

Only the Bishop of Rochester, John Fisher, refused. He was arrested for treason, for refusing to recognize Henry as the head of the Church, and, even after being made a cardinal by the pope - in hopes of saving his life - he was put to death with Thomas More, who also refused to recognize the king as head of the Church.

 

[GKC]

If I remember my English history correctly, there was a tug of war between the king and the church’s bishops over government of the church in England, even before Henry’s problems with the pope over his divorce. Parliament granted him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, but the pope refused to agree.

So Henry forced Parliament to declare him head of the Church in England so that the bishops wouldn’t be under the pope’s jurisdiction. Remember that Parliament has two houses, the House of Lords - which included the bishops - and the House of Commons And then he got 99% of the Catholic bishops to approve of this, even those that had held back previously.

Essentially the bishops agreed with the king to separate the Church in England from the universal Church.

Only the Bishop of Rochester, John Fisher, refused. He was arrested for treason, for refusing to recognize Henry as the head of the Church, and, even after being made a cardinal by the pope - in hopes of saving his life - he was put to death with Thomas More, who also refused to recognize the king as head of the Church.

Historically, the issues between the monarchy and Rome stretch back over 300 years before Henry, and can be tracked in a lengthy seroies of Parlimenatart acts and Royal ecrees, all aimed at increasing the authoity of the Throne over the Church in Emgland, and restricting the authority of any agency outside the country.

Parliament didn’t grant Henry anything, with respect to the marriage. Cranmer, as Archbisop of Canterbury, granted a decree of nullity.

It didn’t really start with Henry, but it certainly came to a head with him.

Fisher was executed for refusing to swear to the Act of Succession, which implied the acceptance of the decree of nullity, with respect to Henry’s and Catherine’s marriage, not specifically over the Supreme Head Act. HIs most direct act of treason, appealing secretly to the Holy Roman Emperor to invade England and depose Henry in 1533, though known, was not actually what brought him to the Tower.

GKC

 

[estesbob]

If I remember my English history correctly, there was a tug of war between the king and the church’s bishops over government of the church in England, even before Henry’s problems with the pope over his divorce. Parliament granted him a divorce from Catherine of Aragon, but the pope refused to agree.

So Henry forced Parliament to declare him head of the Church in England so that the bishops wouldn’t be under the pope’s jurisdiction. Remember that Parliament has two houses, the House of Lords - which included the bishops - and the House of Commons And then he got 99% of the Catholic bishops to approve of this, even those that had held back previously.

Essentially the bishops agreed with the king to separate the Church in England from the universal Church.

Only the Bishop of Rochester, John Fisher, refused. He was arrested for treason, for refusing to recognize Henry as the head of the Church, and, even after being made a cardinal by the pope - in hopes of saving his life - he was put to death with Thomas More, who also refused to recognize the king as head of the Church.

Beng divorced was only one of the impediments to his marrying Ann. He had also slept with her sister which, in those days, also would have required a dispensation before marrying Ann.

 

[GKC]

Beng divorced was only one of the impediments to his marrying Ann. He had also slept with her sister which, in those days, also would have required a dispensation before marrying Ann.

Yes. An impediment in the 2nd degree collateral. And Henry, in seeking his original decree of nullity, also sought a blanket dispensation for precisely such impediments. Which Clement agreed to grant, contingient on the granting of the decree of nullity re: Catherine, via Campeggio and Wolsey.

GKC