Catholic Beliefs on Homosexuality

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Yeah, not buying it. Liking blue, chocolate, broccoli and the colour blue are accidentals. You could change every one of those without changing essentially who you are.

If all those things were stripped away they would be replaced by other accidentals and you would still be essentially WHO you are, independent of any of them.
This, while technically correct, misses a central point: the accidentals we acquire depend on our nature – not entirely, but partially. Nature and environment both play a role in determining our likes and dislikes. If we deny that, then we would be making the claim that all human beings are essentially the same, which would make Heaven (and Earth) awfully bland.
 
Jesus Christ is omnipotent God, Second Person of the Holy Trinity and He can do any thing He wants to including liberating someone from any kind of sexual attraction, addiction, compulsion, vice, whatever. He can even liberate someone from this mortal existence if He wants to and in an instant, too. To argue that a sexual attraction, or any attraction to creature or thing is greater than the power of Jesus Christ is blasphemous nonsense.
This is true. BUT having looked into this a great deal, I can tell you that it is quite rare for Jesus to make same-sex attraction just go away. Indeed, it may be as rare as seeing a left-handed person become right handed, and it’s certainly as rare as seeing someone with a psychological disorder suddenly be healed. When these things hardly ever happen, it’s not clear why we should pray for them, especially since having different temptations is in no way central to living a holy life.
 
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But “Sodomy” is also a judgment. The judgment made in “Sodomy” has been as durable as any medieval artifact.
There was a heck of a lot of judgment in the ancient world, when it came to male/male intercourse. That’s no medieval invention. Same-sex romances were common, even encouraged and indulged, but actual sex was often described as unnatural. Judgments were particularly hard on the “passive” partner in intercourse.
 
Then I just corrected through basic linguistic analyses (any linguistic or grammar teacher should be qualified to make) what is a skewed political reading deriving politics from what poses to be etymology.

Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic will show the root Toponym to predate its simple inflexion.

And I’m sorry to say, Academia isn’t my god and tenure in academia fails to impressive, especially so when academics write on politics and religion - like so many CAF’ers have said, the US/UK ‘divinity degrees’ can frequently be disregarded for throwing contemporary politics into a mix that should keep itself within science. In this instance, I think that scholars reading is skewed.

HOWEVER, if it were Noam Chomsky I would grant full linguistic credibility to the man (which I do not grant Mark D. Jordan based on his institution). That is one author I’ve read and I honestly think he’d take the analysis more along the lines I just did. That simple inflection of a Toponym doesn’t amount to ‘inventing a word’ because the root is preexisting. ← Key idea.
 
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Yeah, not buying it. Liking blue, chocolate, broccoli and the colour blue are accidentals. You could change every one of those without changing essentially who you are.

If all those things were stripped away they would be replaced by other accidentals and you would still be essentially WHO you are, independent of any of them.
This, while technically correct, misses a central point: the accidentals we acquire depend on our nature – not entirely, but partially. Nature and environment both play a role in determining our likes and dislikes. If we deny that, then we would be making the claim that all human beings are essentially the same, which would make Heaven (and Earth) awfully bland.
I would suggest that if WHO we are is derived from the accidents of nature and merely from the environment, then WHO we are isn’t at all who we are but something else, entirely. That is not to say the only options are…
  1. a liker of blue, broccoli and chocolate, or
  2. something awfully bland
It means that to be a human person is rooted in the fullness of the Being of God, so anchoring the very core of who we are on small, insignificant, and transient preferences merely limits who we are, rather than properly becomes us.

I am pretty certain God – who created ALL colours, ALL vegetables and ALL flavours – doesn’t have a particular preference, and I am pretty certain he is not something “awfully bland.” 😉

So, I would say having a “same sex attraction” is a limitation rather than a defining quality of who anyone is, precisely because pinning one’s entire being on one attraction very likely is an obstacle to the discovery of who one truly is, given the infinite potential to be found in God.
 
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I would suggest that if WHO we are is derived from the accidents of nature and merely from the environment, then WHO we are isn’t at all who we are but something else, entirely. That is not to say the only options are…
  1. a liker of blue, broccoli and chocolate, or
  2. something awfully bland
It means that to be a human person is rooted in the fullness of the Being of God, so anchoring the very core of who we are on small, insignificant, and transient preferences merely limits who we are, rather than properly becomes us.
You’re missing the point. I’m not saying that accidents determine our nature. I’m saying that accidents are things that could provide evidence of our underlying nature – or rather, our distinctive personality. Thus, if you find that someone has the accident of being a professional dancer, you might also find that the person intrinsically has God-given gifting in kinesthetic intelligence and movement. (It could have been inhibited by accidents, in other alternate histories, of course). Similarly, if a person loves singing songs joyfully while doing dishes, we might find that the person intrinsically has a passion for enjoying life (which I take to be a good thing).

We all do have different intrinsic characteristics. Our accidents flow out of these characteristics, not just out of our circumstances.
I am pretty certain God – who created ALL colours, ALL vegetables and ALL flavours – doesn’t have a particular preference, and I am pretty certain he is not something “awfully bland.” 😉
No, but God prefers that WE have different preferences.
So, I would say having a “same sex attraction” is a limitation rather than a defining quality of who anyone is, precisely because pinning one’s entire being on one attraction very likely is an obstacle to the discovery of who one truly is, given the infinite potential to be found in God.
I think same-sex attraction (at least insofar as it is a desire for sex) is an unfortunate accident, in technical terms. It almost certainly arises out of intrinsically good characteristics of personality, however, combined with unfortunate environmental realities.
 
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Words have meanings attached to them that can’t just be derived from a linguistic analysis alone. It’s necessary to understand the historical context of how the word was used and why it was coined if it’s a new word. As Mark Jordan, who is an accomplished historian, points out, the Latin word sodomia from which we derive the English word sodomy was purposely copied in its linguistic form from the Latin word blasphemia or blasphemy. Peter Damian obviously considered the two to have something in common.
 
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But “Sodomy” is also a judgment. The judgment made in “Sodomy” has been as durable as any medieval artifact.
There was a heck of a lot of judgment in the ancient world, when it came to male/male intercourse. That’s no medieval invention. Same-sex romances were common, even encouraged and indulged, but actual sex was often described as unnatural. Judgments were particularly hard on the “passive” partner in intercourse.
I think that the judgement experienced by the “passive” partner in homosexual sex was more social than religious. After all, why would a man want to occupy a subordinate role usually reserved for women? And women in the ancient world usually were subordinate to men. So, occupying such a role would undoubtedly damage a man’s honor and his place in the men’s club. But I know from my experience living in the Middle East that there is virtually no judgement attached to being in the “dominant” or “active” role.

All of that is still very different from the connotations of terrible sin which Christianity attached to homosexual sex for both the active and the passive partners, a sin supposedly so terrible that it was one which"cried out to heaven for vengeance."
 
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