Catholic Bibles. NJB, NAB, or NRSV?

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I have decided to return to the Catholic Church. The reasons are not the subject of this thread though. What I would like to know is in the view of Catholics who post here is which Catholic Bible is the best one to use as a primary main Bible for Study. I don’t wish to use an older version so I limit the choices to these three: NEW Revised Standard Version-Catholic Edition (NRSV-CE), New Jerusalem Bible (NJB), or New American Bible (NAB).

I would please like to keep this thread on topic and focused on only these three versions. I know that these threads usually get off topic and the discussion turns to “pushing” the Douay-Rheims-Challoner, Confraternity Version, RSV-CE2, RSV-CE. These last mentioned translations are not in the picture for me and are “off the table”. I would like the discussion to please stay focused on which of these three, the NRSV-CE, NJB, or NAB would be best to use as primary main Bible for study.
 
Well, here’s my opinion. The NRSV is what I use. It is a crisp, clean translation. Also uses inclusive language, which I personally like.

The edition I have doesn’t have notes and commentary, which the NAB does; but one can always use a good Catholic commentary. It does have the Mass readings, too, in an appendix.

Hope this helps. 👍
 
I prefer the NAB. I have a few NRSV (not the CE, unfortunately) but I like the word rendering in the NAB…plus I think making the Bible gender-neutral is changing the meaning of the Bible based on what makes us comfortable and supported with anthropological assumptions, and not on any real historic/linguistic facts, at least as far as I have been made aware.
 
kotek,

First off, welcome home to the Church.

Secondly, you can certainly profit from choosing any of those three translations. They all have their positive and negative features. I am sure you are aware that there is no one perfect translation out there.

Some random thoughts that come to mind:
  1. Perhaps go to a Catholic or secular book store and just spend some time with each translation. Look up some of your favorite passages, like in the Psalms or Gospels, and see what you like.
  2. Keep in mind that the NAB Old Testament and Psalms is under revision currently, and won’t likely be published until next year. So, if you decide to go with the NAB, you might want to get an inexpensive edition to hold you over until the revised edition comes out. The current NAB NT will be the one included with the revised NAB OT and Psalms.
  3. The NJB standard edition, with the notes, cross-references, and single-column format, is a fine edition. Its drawbacks are that it only comes in a bulky hardback edition, and is used more outside the USA.
  4. I think the NRSV, overall, is the best translation of the three. Although the inclusive language, at times, can be annoying, whenever it does use inclusive language there is a notation at the bottom of each page. Overall, the NRSV reads really well and can be used in many settings, both with Catholics and Protestants. In addition, there have been an increase in additional editions available from HarperCollins. So you might want to check them out.
  5. I have a small little blog that is dedicated to Catholic Bible translations. You might want to check it out, since I post news and reviews about various Catholic Bible translation issues. There have also been many helpful comments from readers who might provide additional information. My blog: catholicbibles.blogspot.com
 
I have decided to return to the Catholic Church. The reasons are not the subject of this thread though. What I would like to know is in the view of Catholics who post here is which Catholic Bible is the best one to use as a primary main Bible for Study. I don’t wish to use an older version so I limit the choices to these three: NEW Revised Standard Version-Catholic Edition (NRSV-CE), New Jerusalem Bible (NJB), or New American Bible (NAB).

I would please like to keep this thread on topic and focused on only these three versions. I know that these threads usually get off topic and the discussion turns to “pushing” the Douay-Rheims-Challoner, Confraternity Version, RSV-CE2, RSV-CE. These last mentioned translations are not in the picture for me and are “off the table”. I would like the discussion to please stay focused on which of these three, the NRSV-CE, NJB, or NAB would be best to use as primary main Bible for study.
If you live in the Europe, I would suggest you get the CTS New Catholic Bible

^ That is the Jerusalem Bible (with minor changes like “Yahweh” changed to “LORD”)
and the Psalms are replaced with the Grail Psalter

So basically, the CTS-NCB is the same Bible used in mass in Europe.

however, if you live in the US, I would get either the CTS-NCB or the New Jerusalem Bible for now.
As mccorm45 stated, the NAB is currently being revised so I’d hold off on that one.
 
Hi. First of all, welcome home! God bless your return to the Church!

From within your choices, you’re on the right track, but I highly recommend not the NRSV, but the RSV-2CE, the “Ignatian” Bible. It is by far the closest overall to the original languages, and it the translation most used in theological study groups and universities in the English speaking world. (I’m a graduate student in theology, and it is the official translation of my university, which is very loyal to the Magisterium.) The other good one is the JB (not the NJB). The RSV-2CE is what you hear on Catholic radio and EWTN, for the most part, although Mother Angelica taught from the JB. Both are good and in modern English. The RSV-2CE is English at the 8th grade reading level. The RSV-2CE is the translation selected by Rome for use in the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, so that might be the #1 reason to select it. It says a lot that this is what Rome selected after much debate.

From the three you mentioned alone, the NAB is decent, and it is what we hear in Mass in the Lectionary readings. The NAB is English at the 5th grade reading level.

I hope this helps you.

God bless you, and again, welcome home! We’re blessed to have you back!
 
kotek,

First off, welcome home to the Church.

Secondly, you can certainly profit from choosing any of those three translations. They all have their positive and negative features. I am sure you are aware that there is no one perfect translation out there.

Some random thoughts that come to mind:
  1. Perhaps go to a Catholic or secular book store and just spend some time with each translation. Look up some of your favorite passages, like in the Psalms or Gospels, and see what you like.
  2. Keep in mind that the NAB Old Testament and Psalms is under revision currently, and won’t likely be published until next year. So, if you decide to go with the NAB, you might want to get an inexpensive edition to hold you over until the revised edition comes out. The current NAB NT will be the one included with the revised NAB OT and Psalms.
  3. The NJB standard edition, with the notes, cross-references, and single-column format, is a fine edition. Its drawbacks are that it only comes in a bulky hardback edition, and is used more outside the USA.
  4. I think the NRSV, overall, is the best translation of the three. Although the inclusive language, at times, can be annoying, whenever it does use inclusive language there is a notation at the bottom of each page. Overall, the NRSV reads really well and can be used in many settings, both with Catholics and Protestants. In addition, there have been an increase in additional editions available from HarperCollins. So you might want to check them out.
  5. I have a small little blog that is dedicated to Catholic Bible translations. You might want to check it out, since I post news and reviews about various Catholic Bible translation issues. There have also been many helpful comments from readers who might provide additional information. My blog: catholicbibles.blogspot.com
Actually I have been following your blog, you post some good info on it.
I have all three of the versions I mention: NJB, NRSV, and the NAB with the revised 1986 NT and the “revised” 1991 Psalms. I wish the new English Standard Version came in a Church approved “Catholic Edition”. I am aware that Oxford University Press came with an ESV with “Apocrypha” which of course makes that ESV edition usable for Catholics but it does not have any formal Church approval. I wish someone would try to get the ESV approved so Catholics can canonically use it. I personally feel it is much better than the RSV-CE and maybe better than the NRSV.

I will hold off on using the NAB for now and see what the revised NAB will be like when it is published next year. So now my list is narrowed to the NJB and the NRSV.
 
First I would to thank those who have given me their (name removed by moderator)ut on this topic. After some consideration I have narrowed my choices down to two:
  1. The New Revised Standard Version OR
  2. The New Jerusalem Bible
again while I do appreciate your responses I would still like the discussion to be limited to these two as a choice for a main Bible to use for study.
 
the best Catholic bible to use for your personal study is the one you will use. That is the one that fits your reading level and style, that is comfortable to hold, carry, and read, that has a pleasing feel and appearance, and that has the study aids most helpful to you. As long as the translation has an imprimatur you may use it. If it contains additional non-biblical articles and reference materials (such as the side-bars in the Catholic Youth Bible which comes in both NRSV and NAB versions) make sure the add-ons are also approved. other bibles like this include the Nelson International Student Bible (NAB) which has Q&A articles on topics of interest to teens and young adults, the Prove-It Teen Bible (NAB) from Our Sunday Visitor with articles of interest to teens by Amy Wellborn.

Get one in with type size and style, paper, binding etc. that are attractive to you. For instance I cannot hold the heavy giant type bible because of arthritis so use it only when I have a desk available. I love the appearances of my compact leather covered RSV-CE from Ignatius for travel, but can’t read the small print for a long period of time, so it is good for devotion but not serious study.

If you are a bible study with a group use the version everyone else has, unless you want to compare translations for some reason. and in a Catholic setting for catechesis or for those preparing for sacraments should be in a version approved for liturgical use (which now is the NAB in the US).

If you were brought up with the KJV for instance, a new convert may be more comfortable with the DR, or if you already learned to like the RSV you may prefer the Catholic edition. If you like the direct modern English of the NRV you may prefer the NAB, and so forth. Someone reading English as a second language may prefer the Good News translation, Catholic edition. Any of these would be acceptable for devotional use altho the GNT is marginal in my opinion.

When it comes to a serious study the quality of the translation is more important, so for the Catholic that should be the RSV-CE, the NAB or the Jerusalem bible, in fact the serious students should be familiar with all three, how they were translated and how the various study notes, in the bibles themselves and in published studies based on those versions, were compiled, when, where and by whom.

my personal preference is the Jerusalem bible, especially for the NT, esp. for the gospels, and most esp. for my favorite, John’s gospel. However the book is too big for me to use most of the time and the type is tiny, so you see the reasons the bible might or might not be a good fit take into account more than the translation and study aids. When I am doing a formal study I refer the RSV and have few objections to the NRSV, and I do like the Catholic youth Bible NRSV (although it is too expensive to use in our classes, it is also printed in very light type for some reason which is hard to read), we use one of the inexpensive paper editions of the NAB versions listed above for Confirmation because of cost and durability. I have no problems with the NJB but I am sure you will hear all about it from others on this forum, but I like the 1966 version, probably my favorite all-time. for the gospels I prefer the NJB, but use the NAB because I am usually working with RCIA and sacrament classes so I need the liturgical use version.

The versions for liturgy in Spanish we use here are a translation of the NJB, so I like to have Spanish and English to compare for those classes and studies. So if I am in a situation were we need both languages side by side I prefere the NJB and the Spanish equivalent.

For personal study I like the one volume RSV-CE editions from Ignatius with study notes by Scott Hahn. For parish bible studies, and I think the diocese is going to use these, I like the 6 Week studies from Loyola press, and I think they use the NRSV, but could be used with any good translation.

for apologetics esp. with Protestants I like to use the RSV or NRSV, depending on the version they are most familiar with.

Which bible do you like best, how are you going to use it, what is the cost, which affordable editions is most attractive, what other study aids do you have available, does it have a concordance, etc. Ask yourself what you need. The versions you list are all approved so it is not an issue until you get to a more advanced level of study. Do you like reading a bible with “footnotes” or do you prefer to consult another resource for notes? how portable does it have to be? how do you define personal study and or devotion?
 
Following up on what Puzzleannie mentioned, make sure you get an edition that you actually like to read from. The NJB comes in some very nice page layouts, which I think should be the model for future Catholic Bibles. Also, it is always good to stick with genuine leather if possible. While there aren’t many options for genuine leather in regards to the NJB, you do have some more options with the NRSV.

Lastly, the one other advantage with the NRSV over the NJB or NAB is the fact that there are lots of study helps keyed to the NRSV. These things include concordances, interlinears, Bible commentaries, etc…
 
First I would to thank those who have given me their (name removed by moderator)ut on this topic. After some consideration I have narrowed my choices down to two:
  1. The New Revised Standard Version OR
  2. The New Jerusalem Bible
again while I do appreciate your responses I would still like the discussion to be limited to these two as a choice for a main Bible to use for study.
I would go with the NJB over the NRSV any day. As someone else pointed out the CTS would be an even better choice in what you are looking for in a Bible
 
I would go with the NJB over the NRSV any day. As someone else pointed out the CTS would be an even better choice in what you are looking for in a Bible
I’m just wondering why in your view the NJB would be a better choice than the NRSV.
 
I’m just wondering why in your view the NJB would be a better choice than the NRSV.
Inclusive language. The more inclusive language the worse it is. I prefer no inclusive language at all like the Douay-Rheims. I base my decisions on accuracy as well. The NRSV just doesn’t have what it takes. I know people are not going to be happy I said that, but that is how I feel and I am sticking to it
 
The NJB is an older translation, based off of the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 25th Ed.

There have been many very significant improvements in scholarship since then, and a more recent version might be helpful. I would use the NRSV, noting that it does have inclusive language and adjusting accordingly. I can vouch for the scholarship behind the NRSV, and all biblical quotes in the Catechism come from either the RSV or the NRSV. I do not know the scholarship behind the NJB, though it could be very good.
 
Hi, Kotek et alia!

Kotek, your wrote: I am aware that Oxford University Press came with an ESV with “Apocrypha” which of course makes that ESV edition usable for Catholics but it does not have any formal Church approval. I wish [that] someone would try to get the ESV approved so Catholics can canonically use it. I personally feel it is much better than the RSV-CE and maybe better than the NRSV.

How right you are about the English Standard Version (E.S.V.)! It really is superb and elegantly readable. With the “Apocrypha”, i.e. with the deuterocanonical writings of the Old Testament (O.T.), now included (even if rather aggravatingly relegated to the end of the Bible, following rather than preceding the New Testament (N.T.), it makes an excellent resource for Catholics. Either the hierarchy should approve this E.S.V. with Apocrypha, or move actively to have a “Catholic Edition” of the E.S.V. moved into editorial action. I wrote a fairly long review of the E.S.V. for various Amazon WWW sites, if anyone cares to read my views more fully.

Of the others, the N.R.S.V. is seductively appealing. The use of “inclusive language” is fairly restrained (e.g., there is no effort to make the God of the Bible paganly unisex or female!) but there are nagging textual issues still involved that have weakened every Bible in the line of the Revised Version/American Standard Version-Revised Standard Version Bibles (the R.V., the A.S.V., the R.S.V. in its various texts; these version are, most importantly, the New American Standard Version in its two texts, the R.S.V. in its usual Protestant-Anglican and oecumenical texts, the R.S.V.-C.E., the N.R.S.V., the R.S.V.-2nd C.E., and the E.S.V.). However, almost all Bible Versions which have come out since the World Wars are afflicted with the use of these aberrent “Critical Texts” for the N.T. The major exception has been the New King James Version (N.K.J.V.), which now exists in a form, in the excellent and pious Orthodox Study Bible (ed. by Jack Norman Sparks; T. Nelson, 2008; ISBN 978-0-7180-0359-3), which Eastern Orthodox and, by extension, Roman and Eastern Catholics can use to great spiritual profit, and which retains the N.K.J.V.'s N.T. and puts the O.T., with all of the deuterocanonical writings accepted variously by Orthodox and Catholics into the canon of the O.T., within an unbroken sequence, and which has been edited to conform the N.K.J.V.'s O.T. with the Greek Septuagint O.T.

Anyway, the N.R.S.V. is flowingly easy to read and, for the most part, gracefully worded; I would commend its use, but caution that a Catholic should consult other versions before accepting the N.R.S.V.'s readings as authoritative. For that, one needs to have on hand for comparison and spot-checking such an orthodox and conservative version as the old Confraternity Version (with O.T. text from no later than that of 1969 and the N.T. text of 1941), easily available on the used book market and which is** not** to be confused with its putative successor, the New American Bible (N.A.B.); Amazon.com’s WWW site lists dozens of the old pre-1970 Confraternity Bibles available for purchase. Another older and rock-solidly reliable English Bible to use for comparison and spot-checking later versions, is, of course, the venerable and still pre-eminent Douay-Rheims-Challoner Version.

I very much like the Jerusalem Bible (J.B.) and its revision, the New Jerusalem Bible (N.J.B.). The wording of each of these is marvellously gracious and truly of literary refinement. One does need to keep in mind that these two versions are paraphrases and that at times one must compare their renderings with those of “formal equivalence” translations (e.g., any of the R.V./A.S.V./R.S.V. Bibles mentioned above, the old Confraternity Version, etc.) for a stricter translation. However, the paraphrasing in the J.B. and the N.J.B. is restrained and careful, so such problems do not arise very often.

Happy and blessed reading in your studies of the Holy Scriptures!

Jerry Parker
 
However, almost all Bible Versions which have come out since the World Wars are afflicted with the use of these aberrent “Critical Texts” for the N.T. The major exception has been the New King James Version (N.K.J.V.), which now exists in a form, in the excellent and pious Orthodox Study Bible (ed. by Jack Norman Sparks; T. Nelson, 2008; ISBN 978-0-7180-0359-3), which Eastern Orthodox and, by extension, Roman and Eastern Catholics can use to great spiritual profit, and which retains the N.K.J.V.'s N.T. and puts the O.T., with all of the deuterocanonical writings accepted variously by Orthodox and Catholics into the canon of the O.T., within an unbroken sequence, and which has been edited to conform the N.K.J.V.'s O.T. with the Greek Septuagint O.T.
I know that the KJV’s Greek text (the Textus Receptus) has several deficiencies, and at least one of these is present in the NKJV (the Comma Johanneum).

The Majority Text theory is one that is difficult to defend, and I would strongly recommend a version that uses an unbiased critical apparatus.
 
Again, thank you all for your responses. So far the NRSV has the edge in my decision. Here are the reasons in its favour.
  1. Widely used across the Ecumenical spectrum. IE It is used by the Catholic Church in Canada (and I heard that the Bishops in the UK may adopt it for Liturgical usage at some point) , Many American Catholics, both lay and scholars use it, it is used in many Seminaries, Universities, and Colleges as the main translation in Biblical studies by both Catholics and Protestants.
  2. It uses the latest information on the Biblical languages and manuscript study.
  3. It is a Formal-Equivalence translation, not Dynamic-Equivalence or Paraphrase.
  4. Lots of study resources are available and keyed for it, plus many of the older RSV and newer ESV (even though the ESV itself is not “Approved”) materials can be used as well for the NRSV.
NRSV Criticisms
  1. Use of “inclusive” language. While it isn’t as bad as some make it out to be, it does tend to be used in SOME places where it should not have been.
  2. Like the RSV before it there are some issues with its alleged “liberal” Bias. But one must ask is it really “liberal bias” or is it merely the translation committee giving us an honest UNBIASED translation and being faithful to what the original languages say. I have noticed that in comparing the NRSV-CE with the RSV-CE that some of the newer translations in the NRSV-CE are closer to the original sources say than the RSV-CE is.
New Jerusalem Bible (NJB)

Good points:
  1. Widely used in English speaking countries outside the U.S.
  2. Excellent language and scholarship.
  3. All the translators were Catholics, so it is a translation done by Catholics for Catholics.
  4. The full complete NJB has excellent page layout, extensive cross-references, and excellent study notes and commentary.
Bad Points:
  1. Not widely used in the U.S. by lay people, clergy, or scholars.
  2. I wonder if it is good enough for close word and text studies. It is not strictly a Formal-Equivalence translation, nor is it really a Dynamic Equivalence translation: the NJB seems to fall somewhere between Formal and Dynamic equivalence.
  3. Hardly any, it at all any study material is based on it. IE concordances, commentaries, Greek-English interlinears, etc.
So there you have it. So far the NRSV seems to have an edge for me. I could always adopt it and use the RSV-CE as a supplement and then compare to the NJB.
 
I prefer the NRSV. Why? I like the language better.

Methinks it’s difficult to “pick” a bible version until you’ve read comparative verses in several different versions and see what you like best. At some point, it becomes a matter of personal preference.
 
Puzzle Annie,

**You wrote, in part: ** *The best Catholic bible to use for your personal study is the one you will use. That is the one that fits your reading level and style, that is comfortable to hold, carry, and read, that has a pleasing feel and appearance, and that has the study aids most helpful to you. As long as the translation has an imprimatur you may use it. *​

These are sensible comments, as are others in your posting of 2 August. One should feel at ease, at least to some degree, with a Bible that s/he uses regularly. I would add that one should choose as the principal Bible for a believer’s use one that is memorisable. That is one reason why versions of high literary quality (e.g., Douay-Rheims-Challoner, Authorised “King James” version in editions with its “Apocrypha”, the Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition, Jerusalem Bible, New Jerusalem Bible, or the pre-1970 Confraternity Version) are so commendable. They are are of memorable textual, even literary quality, which makes them also more readily memorisable than lesser versions tend to be. Whatever the overall quality of the Catholic (or other) Bibles that you use, if no one of them predominates in your reading, you are not likely to have the words fix themselves fastly in your memory.

It is hard to memorise passages in a Bible in which the wording, however commendable it may be in other regards, is as banal, pedestrian, slangy, and/or utterly prosaic, even “sloppy-joe” as, variously, the New American Bible, the lesser-known Christian Community Bible (jointly under the imprints of Liguori Publications and Claretan Publications, Catholic Pastoral Edition, 1995), or the all-too-well known Today’s English Version (“Good News” Bible), among those published as Catholic Bibles or in Catholic editions, or such Protestant Bibles of substandard literary quality as the New International Version or the Holman Christian Standard Version (two such translations which, anyway, do not exist in any edition soever that includes what Protestants call the “Apocrypha” and Catholics and Eastern Orthodox term the O.T. deuterocanonical writings).

Important, too, I firmly believe, is to use as a constant companion a Bible that has thorough (“exhaustive” and/or “analytical”) concordance(s) available. The concordance at the rear of a typical “study” or “reference” Bibles is insufficient to serious study, albeit that it may be handy and sometimes sufficient to one’s momentary need. These short tucked- on concordances included at the back of some Bibles are hopelessly limited in their coverage of the words of Holy Scripture. Older versions (e.g., the Douay-Rheims-Challoner or the Authorised “King James” versions) of long and wide use have had a number of extensive concordances separately published for them over the years or even centuries. Many modern versions, especially those that never attain wide “normative” use in the Church or in the denominations and sects, lack such tools. Others have only concordances that omit indexing the words of the deuterocanonical writings of the Old Testament.

Here following are modified ISBD citations for two recently published concordances to Catholic or Catholic-compatible editions of the Bible (of R.S.V. lineage) that include the whole canon of Scripture, including the full Old Testament canon that the Catholic, even the Eastern Orthodox (and other ancient Oriental) Churches recognise. There are, of course, other such good and adequate concordances to R.S.V.-based versions, to the N.R.S.V., and to a few other modern Catholic Bible translations (or paraphrases).

The Catholic Bible Concordance [to the] Revised Standard Catholic Edition / compiled by D.W. Lyons, with Thomas Deliduka. – Steubenville, Ohio : Emmaus Road Publishing, 2009, copyr. 2008. – xiv, 2173 p. – ISBN 978-1-931018-49-4.

The N.R.S.V. Concordance, Unabridged, Including the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books : an Exhaustive Index of All Occurences of All Words in the New Revised Standard Version [of the Holy Bible] / John R. Kohlenberger III. – Grand Rapids, Mich. : Zondervan, 1991. – 1650 p. – ISBN ISBN-10- 0-31053910-2.

Happy and blessed reading, memorising, and study of the full canon of the Holy Scriptures of the Christian and Catholic Faith!

Jerry Parker
 
  1. Like the RSV before it there are some issues with its alleged “liberal” Bias. But one must ask is it really “liberal bias” or is it merely the translation committee giving us an honest UNBIASED translation and being faithful to what the original languages say. I have noticed that in comparing the NRSV-CE with the RSV-CE that some of the newer translations in the NRSV-CE are closer to the original sources say than the RSV-CE is.
Liberal? Really? I had always considered the RSV conservative–though perhaps the better word would be prudish. The NRSV is definitely not conservative, but as to how much of that is liberal bias and how much is lack of conservative bias is difficult to say. Inclusive language is definitely not intended to be a liberal bias, but it most certainly winds up being that in some passages in the NRSV.

My recommendation, as I’ve stated here before is to have the RSV-CE, NRSV-CE and ESV side by side.

The NRSV and ESV have access to the same scholarship, though they may use that information differently. The RSV was originally supposed to be a revision of the King James translation for the National Churches of Christ, which was then a pretty conservative group of mainline Protestants, so I think it shares a lot in common in the intent with the ESV, though the ESV is a fairly conservative translation.

If I recall correctly, neither the RSV nor the ESV had Catholic translators on their team, though the NRSV had Catholic and Jewish translators (though the Jewish translators only worked on the OT).

There’s a revision of the Hebrew Scriptures underway (in the original languages, not a translation), and regardless of your decision now, you may find it worthwhile to look into translations in a few years after this revision (Biblia Hebraica Quinta) comes out.
 
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