Catholic Bishop to Keep Father Pavone in Texas Indefinitely

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I raise the question: are there politics and a hidden agenda invovled in all of this? I await the unmasking.
 
Oh my goodness. Whats the deal? I never knew there was any question hanging over Fr Pavone? What has he done? Is this another Fr Corapi thing? Why would a Bishop undermine a priest engaged in such a worthy cause that the universal Church supposedly throws all its weight behind,( protecting the unborn)? Does this Bishop have something against the pro-life movement? Or is this mountain and molehill stuff? If the Bishop is afraid of upsetting someone because the Church has a pro-life stance then it is clear who is in the wrong.🤷
 
This sanction (without any apparent reason) appears to be ill timed, in the continuing fight against abortion.

We need Fr. Pavone and others like him in the fight against murdering babies.

For his statement, go to: priestsforlife.org/index.aspx

It appears good Christains are making progress in teaching that human life begins at conception.

There were no problems identified by the Auditors regarding “Priests for Life, Inc.”.

Meanwhile the Auditors cautioned the Bishop that the Amarillo Diocese may not be financially viable in their audit.
 
There continue to be unresolved questions with regard to: (a) unfiled federal tax forms by PFL and its related organizations, some of which put the organizations’ nonprofit status (and therefore the deductability of donor contributions) in jeopardy; (b) the juridical status in the Church of Priests for Life and its newly-formed international umbrella agency, the Gospel of Life Association; (c) Fr Pavone’s incardination. The bishop is acting within his canonical rights as Fr Frank’s ordinary, and any other comments or actions (like buzzing the cathedral with planes towing graphic images of aborted babies, or circulating “Free Fr Frank!” petitions) are out of line. Please pray for all involved. God’s will will be done.
 
There continue to be unresolved questions with regard to: (a) unfiled federal tax forms by PFL and its related organizations, some of which put the organizations’ nonprofit status (and therefore the deductability of donor contributions) in jeopardy; (b) the juridical status in the Church of Priests for Life and its newly-formed international umbrella agency, the Gospel of Life Association; (c) Fr Pavone’s incardination. The bishop is acting within his canonical rights as Fr Frank’s ordinary, and any other comments or actions (like buzzing the cathedral with planes towing graphic images of aborted babies, or circulating “Free Fr Frank!” petitions) are out of line. Please pray for all involved. God’s will will be done.
Speaking as one who has seen Father Pavone up close and personal many years ago at a March for Life event in Washington, DC as a fellow pro-life marcher, I would have to say I agree.

This experience provides an opportunity for Father to offer up any and all related sufferings for the benefit of the unborn, and in reparation for sins committed dealing with the crime of abortion.

Also, may God richly bless Father Pavone for his obedience to the bishop.

And we can support Father through prayers.

~~ the phoenix
 
Fr. Pavone’s request that this be kept behind the scenes should be honored. There is no reason to jump to assumptions or be concerned at this point, and the future will take care of itself.
 
There continue to be unresolved questions with regard to: (a) unfiled federal tax forms by PFL and its related organizations, some of which put the organizations’ nonprofit status (and therefore the deductability of donor contributions) in jeopardy; (b) the juridical status in the Church of Priests for Life and its newly-formed international umbrella agency, the Gospel of Life Association; (c) Fr Pavone’s incardination. The bishop is acting within his canonical rights as Fr Frank’s ordinary, and any other comments or actions (like buzzing the cathedral with planes towing graphic images of aborted babies, or circulating “Free Fr Frank!” petitions) are out of line. Please pray for all involved. God’s will will be done.
Due to whatever reasons, Saint Father Padre Pio was unjustly required to stop his public ministry for 10 years.
Bishops are human beings, and not immune from sin.

Please provide a link to your accusations about unfiled Federal tax forms. Unfounded alligations are not appropriate. Everything I have read including the audit states that all financial requirements are in order.

Since PFL is an independent organization and incorporated as such, the Diocese Bishop is not legally responsibile for their actions, much like ‘Catholic Answers’ and ‘EWTN’.

However, Bishops are responsible for their own Diocese. See the “governing office” on page 236 of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”. See # 894, 895 and 896.

Yes, we should pray for both Father Pavone and the Bishop of Amarillo.
 
Please provide a link to your accusations about unfiled Federal tax forms. Unfounded alligations are not appropriate. Everything I have read including the audit states that all financial requirements are in order.
These are not allegations. The federal government requires nonprofit organizations to file an annual Form 990 that discloses the sources and allocations of all funding, as well as other information such as board members, highest paid staff members, etc. This form is public information, to be made available so that donors may monitor the use of their funds, as well as so that the federal government can ensure that organizations benefiting from tax-free status are complying with the obligations of maintaining that status.

Priests for Life has not filed a 990 since 2008. Rachel’s Vineyard, a sister organization under the Gospel of Life Ministries umbrella, has never filed one, and has had its nonprofit status automatically revoked for that reason, though it still seeks donations and tells donors, incorrectly, that their donations are tax-deductible.

Internal audits are no substitute for the public documents in question (an audit, even an independent one, simply certifies that no one is embezzling funds, which is not the accusation here), and PFL spokespersons have consistently dodged the question of why the organizations are not in compliance.

Here is a link to Charity Navigator, a website that provides donors with unbiased evaluations of the effectiveness of nonprofits, based on public information. You will note that Priests for Life receives a very low rating, not only for its noncompliance with public reporting laws, but also for the disproportionate amount of funds spent on promotion and fundraising in contrast to actual program-related activities.
charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6438
 
Oh my goodness. Whats the deal? I never knew there was any question hanging over Fr Pavone? What has he done? Is this another Fr Corapi thing? Why would a Bishop undermine a priest engaged in such a worthy cause that the universal Church supposedly throws all its weight behind,( protecting the unborn)? Does this Bishop have something against the pro-life movement? Or is this mountain and molehill stuff? If the Bishop is afraid of upsetting someone because the Church has a pro-life stance then it is clear who is in the wrong.🤷
Why are you scandalizing a bishop? You are not in a place to judge a bishops actions when he is acting within his juridictional authority, which in this case he is. Even Fr. Pavone is asking his followers NOT to behave this way.

Fr. Pavone doesn’t even have to do anything wrong. The bishop has the authority to recall him for ANY reason whatsoever. The best thing you can do to honor Fr. Pavone is to follow his humble submission to the bishop’s authority in this case.
 
Due to whatever reasons, Saint Father Padre Pio was -]unjustly/-] required to stop his public ministry for 10 years.
Bishops are human beings, and not immune from sin.
No. St Padre Pio was not unjustly required to suspend public ministry. He was merely required to suspend public ministry.

The bishop in St Padre Pio’s case acted within his authority in making that decision, and St Padre Pio did the saintly thing in complying with that directive. This bishop does the same in acting within his authority.

I’ll remind that it is against catholic teaching to scandalize a bishop.
Since PFL is an independent organization and incorporated as such, the Diocese Bishop is not legally responsibile for their actions, much like ‘Catholic Answers’ and ‘EWTN’.
PFL has not been shut down. Fr. Pavone has been recalled to Texas for some reason. There is a world of difference between those two situations. Fr Pavone falls within the jurisdiction of his ordinary, and has chosen the route of humble submission to the apostolic authority of his bishop. We do Fr. Pavone NO HONOR whatsoever to be disobedient in his stead.
Yes, we should pray for both Father Pavone and the Bishop of Amarillo.
As we should pray for everyone.
 
I served on the board of a very small union local at one time. The Union dues were $11.25 every two weeks if that gives you an idea of how small it was. We also had to file certain forms with the IRS. I wasn’t the treasurer, praise be, but at one point we got a couple of years behind in our filings. The treasurer was new at the job and not well trained. We had to hire an accountant to get everything in order.

There was no wrong doing, we just messed up and the accountant got everything fixed for us.

I suspect that something of a similar nature has happened with PFL and the Bishop is just exercising extreme caution to avoid any appearance of impropriety and it is all one huge tempest in a teapot. No doubt everything will be worked out as soon as the paperwork is caught up.
 
These are not allegations. The federal government requires nonprofit organizations to file an annual Form 990 that discloses the sources and allocations of all funding, as well as other information such as board members, highest paid staff members, etc. This form is public information, to be made available so that donors may monitor the use of their funds, as well as so that the federal government can ensure that organizations benefiting from tax-free status are complying with the obligations of maintaining that status.

Priests for Life has not filed a 990 since 2008. Rachel’s Vineyard, a sister organization under the Gospel of Life Ministries umbrella, has never filed one, and has had its nonprofit status automatically revoked for that reason, though it still seeks donations and tells donors, incorrectly, that their donations are tax-deductible.

Internal audits are no substitute for the public documents in question (an audit, even an independent one, simply certifies that no one is embezzling funds, which is not the accusation here), and PFL spokespersons have consistently dodged the question of why the organizations are not in compliance.

Here is a link to Charity Navigator, a website that provides donors with unbiased evaluations of the effectiveness of nonprofits, based on public information. You will note that Priests for Life receives a very low rating, not only for its noncompliance with public reporting laws, but also for the disproportionate amount of funds spent on promotion and fundraising in contrast to actual program-related activities.
charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6438
An audit does not always certify correctly that no one is embezzling funds. I was on a grand jury and one of the local cemetary districts passed many county audits. The auditor basically made sure that 2 + 2 equaled 4.

We took a closer look and found out that one person handled all funds. Incoming, outgoing, deposits etc.

We recommended that a special outside auditor be hired. Cost $18,000. and worth every penny. There were 100s of thousands of dollars that had been embezzled.

But they passed their audit every year.
 
Fr. Pavone doesn’t even have to do anything wrong. The bishop has the authority to recall him for ANY reason whatsoever. The best thing you can do to honor Fr. Pavone is to follow his humble submission to the bishop’s authority in this case.
Exactly.
 
has chosen the route of humble submission to the apostolic authority of his bishop.
promethius,

You make very good points, and I agree with you. Although, I’m not sure I would characterize a diocesan priest’s obedience to his bishop as “humble submission”, lest it seem to be more extraordinary than it really is. When my boss tells me to be as a job site at 7 a.m. and I show up I wouldn’t it consider it “humble submission”, if you know what I mean!

VC
 
Catholic Bishop to Keep Father Pavone in Texas Indefinitely

Bishop Patrick Zurek of Amarillo, Texas has released a new letter concerning the status of Father Frank Pavone and has said the Priests for Life leader will be forced to remain in Texas indefinitely.

lifenews.com/2011/10/04/catholic-bishop-to-keep-father-pavone-in-texas-indefinitely/
I can see no problem with this.

Despite others’ concerns, it’s true
that Father Pavone is NOT the pro-life
movement. Rather he serves the pro-life movement.
 
promethius,

You make very good points, and I agree with you. Although, I’m not sure I would characterize a diocesan priest’s obedience to his bishop as “humble submission”, lest it seem to be more extraordinary than it really is. When my boss tells me to be as a job site at 7 a.m. and I show up I wouldn’t it consider it “humble submission”, if you know what I mean!

VC
Ah, allow me to clarify:

Unlike a certain priest whose name rhymes with borapi, he returned to his diocese, which is to be expected.

He also publicly stated that while he doesn’t understand what is going on he will wait patiently for the matter to be settled AND has asked his fans to do the same, rather than bothering the bishop. That’s where I consider it humble submission… because sure, you would show up to work at 7 am, but would you tell your wife not to call your boss asking why you had to go to work that early? 😛
 
These are not allegations. The federal government requires nonprofit organizations to file an annual Form 990 that discloses the sources and allocations of all funding, as well as other information such as board members, highest paid staff members, etc. This form is public information, to be made available so that donors may monitor the use of their funds, as well as so that the federal government can ensure that organizations benefiting from tax-free status are complying with the obligations of maintaining that status.

Priests for Life has not filed a 990 since 2008. Rachel’s Vineyard, a sister organization under the Gospel of Life Ministries umbrella, has never filed one, and has had its nonprofit status automatically revoked for that reason, though it still seeks donations and tells donors, incorrectly, that their donations are tax-deductible.And that 2008 Form 990 was filed timely. As per the date received stamp on the face of the return. Available at *********. I am not sure how quickly ********* updates once returns are received by the IRS. I know there can be quite a delay based on some of the returns we file so I will not comment on the 2009 filing, though anyone could contact Priests for life and request to see a copy–it is a public inspection document. You may need to travel there to view it. As for 2010–if it was extended–the extended due date has not been reached–the extended due date would be November 15, 2011.

Internal audits are no substitute for the public documents in question (an audit, even an independent one, simply certifies that no one is embezzling funds, which is not the accusation here), and PFL spokespersons have consistently dodged the question of why the organizations are not in compliance. According to the Form 990 the organizations books are audited by an Independent Public Accountant. This is quite different that an “internal audit”. And an audit by and independent public accountant most certainly does not certify that no one is embezzling funds. Have you ever read and independent audit report or conducted an audt–I am guessing not based on your assertion.
An audit by an independent public accountant simply provides reasonable assurance that the financial statements are free from material misstatement. An audit includes examining, on a test basis, evidence supporting the amounts and disclosures in the financial statements. An audit is quite involved but it makes no certifications what-so-ever regarding embezzling funds. Any fraud detected would of course be disclosed to the appropriate level of management but the audit provides no assurance that fraud will be detected.

Here is a link to Charity Navigator, a website that provides donors with unbiased evaluations of the effectiveness of nonprofits, based on public information. You will note that Priests for Life receives a very low rating, not only for its noncompliance with public reporting laws, but also for the disproportionate amount of funds spent on promotion and fundraising in contrast to actual program-related activities.
charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6438 I think you misread what this website reports. Have you looked at the 990? I don’t think its accurate to say PFL spent a disproportionate amount of funds on fundraising in contrast to program related services when you look at the numbers. Additionally father Pavone is not compensated and he spends much time on program related activities–thus understating “program related services”
*********.org is a 501(c)(3) organization who’s purpose it is to provide information on other 501(c)(3) organizations including making available copies of their Form 990 filed with the IRS. I am unsure why referrence to it was ******* out in the above text.

Peace of Christ,
Mark
 
Just because Charity Navigator does not have a 990 that is more up to date does not mean that the IRS doesn’t have it. Unless you have other knowledge of whether it was filed, you should stop repeating things that may not be true.
 
Just because Charity Navigator does not have a 990 that is more up to date does not mean that the IRS doesn’t have it. Unless you have other knowledge of whether it was filed, you should stop repeating things that may not be true.
PFL has acknowledged that the 990s have not been filed.
And please understand that 990s are public documents, by their very nature. If the IRS has them, they’re available for viewing, if not through one online service then through many others.

And yes, I have read PFL’s independent audits and many others. They do not, and are not intended to, substitute for the public information to which donors are entitled in the 990. That’s why I mistakenly referred to them as “internal”–because organizations are not required to share the results of a voluntary audit with anyone, and rarely do so beyond their own boards.
 
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