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Joe_5859
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As great as Fr. Pavone is and as wonderful the work he has done (which is indisputable and no one can take away), he is not indispensible to the pro-life movement. If he was, I would be quite frightened because that would make the pro-life movement little more than a cult of personality. I don’t think that’s the case.Is the Bishop willing and able to substitute himself for Fr. Pavone as the leading [personage of PFL and give the time energy and charism for the unborn that is so urgently needed by them at this time? As always the unborn who cannot speak for themselves are being forgotten and left abandoned as they have been in our nation for more than 40 yrs. If it were not for the Fr.Pavones and the countless unsung heroes who take from their own lives and take themselves away from their own family and friends to go out and pray in front of the abortion mills and beg for the lives of the innocent brought there for slaughter who would take their place?
Fr. Pavone obeyed,the Bishop has now said it will be indefinite, this is outrageous how will submissive obedience to this order be good for the pro life movement when one such as a Fr.Pavone has his integrity and his intentions called into question by a Superior of his own church? How does all this somehow lead to good, this is not good why should we try to keep calling something that is bad, good? Why didn’t the Bishop use his authority and the resources of the church to rectify any of the legalistic problems if there are any and to lend his helping hand to Fr. Pavone and the unborn so he can continue to do what he has done a heroic job of doing for 40 yrs. saving lives, defending the sanctity of life, speaking in defense of the holy innocents, keeping the prolife cause alive and unforgettable against the orders of the culture of death that rules our nation and some in the catholic church who want the church to shut up about abortion and euthanaesia and stop offending them by daring to stand up to them by speaking the truth; then how can this be a rightful order of a Bishop he’s doing the exact opposite of what he’s supposed to do?
The bishop seems to want Fr. Pavone to take a break and do some spiritual reflection. Whether or not his concern is warranted (which none of us here will likely ever know), I cannot see how this would be a bad thing no matter what the reality is. It’s not as though if Fr. Pavone takes a week off, the pro-life machine grinds to a halt and abortions increase exponentially. I would prefer our pro-life leaders be in tip-top shape spiritually. That is how they can be most effective. This is an opportunity for Fr. Pavone to focus on those things.
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catharina
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Your emotionalism is so far out that you are confusing your facts.Is the Bishop willing and able to substitute himself for Fr. Pavone as the leading [personage of PFL and give the time energy and charism for the unborn that is so urgently needed by them at this time? As always the unborn who cannot speak for themselves are being forgotten and left abandoned as they have been in our nation for more than 40 yrs. If it were not for the Fr.Pavones and the countless unsung heroes who take from their own lives and take themselves away from their own family and friends to go out and pray in front of the abortion mills and beg for the lives of the innocent brought there for slaughter who would take their place?
Fr. Pavone obeyed,the Bishop has now said it will be indefinite, this is outrageous how will submissive obedience to this order be good for the pro life movement when one such as a Fr.Pavone has his integrity and his intentions called into question by a Superior of his own church? How does all this somehow lead to good, this is not good why should we try to keep calling something that is bad, good? **Why didn’t the Bishop use his authority and the resources of the church to rectify any of the legalistic problems if there are any and to lend his helping hand to Fr. Pavone and the unborn so he can continue to do what he has done a heroic job of doing for 40 yrs. saving lives, defending the sanctity of life, speaking in defense of the holy innocents, keeping the prolife cause alive and unforgettable against the orders of the culture of death that rules our nation and some in the catholic church who want the church to shut up about abortion and euthanaesia and stop offending them by daring to stand up to them by speaking the truth; then how can this be a rightful order of a Bishop he’s doing the exact opposite of what he’s supposed to do?
Father Pavone involved in pro-life work for forty years?
The man is only 52 yrs old. Was he a terribly active 12 yr-old,
slogging his way through the pro-life movement as a little boy?
I doubt it. Despite your passionate dis-connect and denial of facts,
many have been involved in pro-life work for more than 40 years. I’m
one of those people.
Your horrible disrespect of a bishop of the Church is ludicrous.
The bishop knows far more about Fr. Pavone that you or I do.
He is the bishop of this priest.
Your take on this situation makes you seem given to some sort
of hero-worship. That might or might not be a fact but Fr. Pavone is
not a “lone voice” for the sanctity of life in the Church. Far from it.
Please show some respect for the man who is charged with authority
for the growth of the soul and spirituality of Fr. Pavone. In fact, you
might learn to copy Fr. Pavone and say not a word against the Bishop.
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Orogeny
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Obeying one’s bishop is a bad thing? What are you suggesting Fr. Pavone do?Fr. Pavone obeyed,the Bishop has now said it will be indefinite, this is outrageous how will submissive obedience to this order be good for the pro life movement when one such as a Fr.Pavone has his integrity and his intentions called into question by a Superior of his own church? How does all this somehow lead to good, this is not good why should we try to keep calling something that is bad, good?
That is what he is doing. His authority to get Fr. Pavone to stay in the diocese and his resources (in the form of Fr. Pavone) to rectify any legal problems.Why didn’t the Bishop use his authority and the resources of the church to rectify any of the legalistic problems
Be careful. Calling or even suggesting that Bishop Zurek is a liar is wrong.if there are any
Is Fr. Pavone a priest of the Diocese of Amarillo or isn’t he? Yes? Then he must submit to the request of his bishop. It helps nothing for people to slander a bishop.and to lend his helping hand to Fr. Pavone and the unborn so he can continue to do what he has done a heroic job of doing for 40 yrs. saving lives, defending the sanctity of life, speaking in defense of the holy innocents, keeping the prolife cause alive and unforgettable against the orders of the culture of death that rules our nation and some in the catholic church who want the church to shut up about abortion and euthanaesia and stop offending them by daring to stand up to them by speaking the truth; then how can this be a rightful order of a Bishop he’s doing the exact opposite of what he’s supposed to do?
What is a bishop supposed to do when he has a priest that defies his requests? Does Fr. Pavone’s mission over-ride his obligation to his bishop?
Peace
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brumano
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So what if emotionalism clouds a detail fact, he’s been so closely united to the cause of the unborn for so long that I might have actually been right if I would have said virtually for more than 40 yrs. I mentioned all the prolife activists in the post you’re now misrepresenting, that was not the point of that post.Your emotionalism is so far out that you are confusing your facts.
Father Pavone involved in pro-life work for forty years?
The man is only 52 yrs old. Was he a terribly active 12 yr-old,
slogging his way through the pro-life movement as a little boy?
I doubt it. Despite your passionate dis-connect and denial of facts,
many have been involved in pro-life work for more than 40 years. I’m
one of those people.
Your horrible disrespect of a bishop of the Church is ludicrous.
The bishop knows far more about Fr. Pavone that you or I do.
He is the bishop of this priest.
Your take on this situation makes you seem given to some sort
of hero-worship. That might or might not be a fact but Fr. Pavone is
not a “lone voice” for the sanctity of life in the Church. Far from it.
Please show some respect for the man who is charged with authority
for the growth of the soul and spirituality of Fr. Pavone. In fact, you
might learn to copy Fr. Pavone and say not a word against the Bishop.
How is it horribly disrespectful to question these decisions in the context that I questioned them in; I’m not commenting about the person, the Bishop, I’m asking a valid question about an issue that has come about by the decision of his to keep Fr. Pavone away from continuing his prolife work that became also his duty and his promise. I am questioning that; a Bishop should have a strong reasoning for his orders and they should reflect a priority that places the most benefit of concern on the highest good. My question was and is why isn’t the Bishop trying to help PFL with any and all difficulties as much as he can; not just saying I’ll recall him and that’s that. Uh you know I thought we were on the same side,
Fr. Pavone is a hero to me and so are you but I’m not worshipping either of you if i say I believe in you and what you do, and that it’s a tremendous and courageous work you do for the unborn, which leads me back to a question again; who will defend the unborn against the world, that doesn’t even flinch at killing them? How can we not be emotional about this, it’s impossible.
I have utmost respect as I should for all, that does’nt mean I just turn off my brain and make my mind up about something like this because it is from a Bishop; and I’ll perhaps save you a terse reply by adding; unless of course it is on a matter of faith and morals which I am bound to obey him on!
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catharina
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Yet Fr. Pavone IS bound to obey his bishop.So what if emotionalism clouds a detail fact, he’s been so closely united to the cause of the unborn for so long that I might have actually been right if I would have said virtually for more than 40 yrs. I mentioned all the prolife activists in the post you’re now misrepresenting, that was not the point of that post.
How is it horribly disrespectful to question these decisions in the context that I questioned them in; I’m not commenting about the person, the Bishop, I’m asking a valid question about an issue that has come about by the decision of his to keep Fr. Pavone away from continuing his prolife work that became also his duty and his promise. I am questioning that; a Bishop should have a strong reasoning for his orders and they should reflect a priority that places the most benefit of concern on the highest good. My question was and is why isn’t the Bishop trying to help PFL with any and all difficulties as much as he can; not just saying I’ll recall him and that’s that. Uh you know I thought we were on the same side,
Fr. Pavone is a hero to me and so are you but I’m not worshipping either of you if i say I believe in you and what you do, and that it’s a tremendous and courageous work you do for the unborn, which leads me back to a question again; who will defend the unborn against the world, that doesn’t even flinch at killing them? How can we not be emotional about this, it’s impossible.
I have utmost respect as I should for all, that does’nt mean I just turn off my brain and make my mind up about something like this because it is from a Bishop; and I’ll perhaps save you a terse reply by adding; unless of course it is on a matter of faith and morals which I am bound to obey him on!
The interactions between a bishop and his priest
require NO comment or speculation from any of us.
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Kay_Cee
Guest
You are missing the entire point.Is the Bishop willing and able to substitute himself for Fr. Pavone as the leading [personage of PFL and give the time energy and charism for the unborn that is so urgently needed by them at this time? As always the unborn who cannot speak for themselves are being forgotten and left abandoned as they have been in our nation for more than 40 yrs. If it were not for the Fr.Pavones and the countless unsung heroes who take from their own lives and take themselves away from their own family and friends to go out and pray in front of the abortion mills and beg for the lives of the innocent brought there for slaughter who would take their place?
Fr. Pavone obeyed,the Bishop has now said it will be indefinite, this is outrageous how will submissive obedience to this order be good for the pro life movement when one such as a Fr.Pavone has his integrity and his intentions called into question by a Superior of his own church? How does all this somehow lead to good, this is not good why should we try to keep calling something that is bad, good? Why didn’t the Bishop use his authority and the resources of the church to rectify any of the legalistic problems if there are any and to lend his helping hand to Fr. Pavone and the unborn so he can continue to do what he has done a heroic job of doing for 40 yrs. saving lives, defending the sanctity of life, speaking in defense of the holy innocents, keeping the prolife cause alive and unforgettable against the orders of the culture of death that rules our nation and some in the catholic church who want the church to shut up about abortion and euthanaesia and stop offending them by daring to stand up to them by speaking the truth; then how can this be a rightful order of a Bishop he’s doing the exact opposite of what he’s supposed to do?
Didn’t Father Pavone take an oath during his ordination? Aren’t such oaths binding? Do you think God looks favorably on those who violate the oaths they have freely taken?
What would you think of someone who, for the sake of helping others, violated a marriage oath? Would that be permissible?
You are looking at this from an earthly perspective, not an eternal one. Do you not think God rewards those who are faithful to their oaths? Do you not think that, when we are faithful to our oaths, He steps in and more than makes up for what we cannot accomplish on our own?
If you read the lives of the saints, you will see that they were both obedient and faithful to authority, regardless of how outrageous the orders of their superiors may have seemed. It is never permissible to commit an evil (that is, violate an oath) so that good will result.
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promethius
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No, and that would be grossly inappropriate of the bishop to forsake his duties as pastoral shepherd to more than a million people.Is the Bishop willing and able to substitute himself for Fr. Pavone as the leading [personage of PFL and give the time energy and charism for the unborn that is so urgently needed by them at this time?
If the teachings of the church were so fragile that subtracting one priest from one area caused an entire doctrine to fail, then we should forsake the Kingdom of God as a joke.As always the unborn who cannot speak for themselves are being forgotten and left abandoned as they have been in our nation for more than 40 yrs. If it were not for the Fr.Pavones and the countless unsung heroes who take from their own lives and take themselves away from their own family and friends to go out and pray in front of the abortion mills and beg for the lives of the innocent brought there for slaughter who would take their place?
Thankfully, that isn’t the case. Father Pavone and PFL are not synonyms.
You do realize that indefinite does not mean forever, but rather “undefined”Fr. Pavone obeyed,the Bishop has now said it will be indefinite
So the Bishop has stated that the amount of time before Father Pavone can return to working directly with PFL outside of the diocese is undefined. Could be tomorrow, could be 30 years from now. It’s not defined.
First, his integrity and intentions have NOT been called into question. The bishop has stated that Father Pavone is a priest in good standing. YOU are the one turning this into a slander against Father Pavone. Not the church. YOU.how will submissive obedience to this order be good for the pro life movement when one such as a Fr.Pavone has his integrity and his intentions called into question by a Superior of his own church?
Second, this is not the case of “a superior”… the Bishop is the shepherd for all the priests in his diocese. He is THE Superior. There is no other authority over Father Pavone than the Bishop and the Pope, and even the latter is only a distant authority.
Priests SWEAR obedience to their bishop when they are ordained. If Father Pavone were to behave as you are here then he should be defrocked as a sham. Fortunately, Father Pavone is behaving with obedience to his vows. You should honor that by not turning this into a slam against his character which no one is trying to do.
If you think that the pastoral role of the bishops is bad, why are you catholic in the first place?How does all this somehow lead to good, this is not good why should we try to keep calling something that is bad, good?
I would like you to consider that at the moment you sound a lot like the disobedient followers of Father Corapi…
Priests for Life is not a diocesan organization. The Bishop has been KIND enough to allow Father Pavone all the time he already has used outside of his diocese. It would be inappropriate for the bishop to use diocesan resources on an organization which is only loosely affiliated with the church.Why didn’t the Bishop use his authority and the resources of the church to rectify any of the legalistic problems if there are any and to lend his helping hand to Fr. Pavone and the unborn so he can continue to do what he has done a heroic job of doing for 40 yrs…
Second, when God calls Father Pavone from this world, are you going to assault Him as you have the bishop? Are you going to tell us that God is evil, stupid, and wrong to take Father Pavone from the cause? Are you going to tell us that God should step in and be the leader of PFL in Father Pavone’s stead?
No… I didn’t think so.
Conversely, the bishop is doing exactly what a bishop does: providing pastoral care for all the members of his flock. You might not agree with the decision based on what is publicly known at this time, but you certainly don’t begin to know what a bishop does about his pastoral role, and you certainly have NO right to call a bishop “bad” for doing his job within his role.then how can this be a rightful order of a Bishop he’s doing the exact opposite of what he’s supposed to do?
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brumano
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I understand the importance of being obedient, Christ was obedient even to death on a cross, He was not obedient to commit sin.You are missing the entire point.
Didn’t Father Pavone take an oath during his ordination? Aren’t such oaths binding? Do you think God looks favorably on those who violate the oaths they have freely taken?
What would you think of someone who, for the sake of helping others, violated a marriage oath? Would that be permissible?
You are looking at this from an earthly perspective, not an eternal one. Do you not think God rewards those who are faithful to their oaths? Do you not think that, when we are faithful to our oaths, He steps in and more than makes up for what we cannot accomplish on our own?
If you read the lives of the saints, you will see that they were both obedient and faithful to authority, regardless of how outrageous the orders of their superiors may have seemed. It is never permissible to commit an evil (that is, violate an oath) so that good will result.
I can’t think of a scenario where violating a marriage vow could help others but no of course that would’nt be permissable.
There has been no violation of oaths on his part what has he violated, this is absurdity. He has certain rights under church law and he is not violating anything if and when he excercises those rights. Nobody should have any problem about that, because everyone has to be obedient to those laws, including everyone.
I see things from my perspective you see things from yours. The candle of hope for the protection of life is flickering out, people like Fr. Pavone are trying to keep it light.
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Mrs_Sally
Guest
The candle of hope is not flickering out as long as we all do our part. The Catholic bishops were at one point almost the only voice speaking out against abortion. In 1973, Fr Pavone was still a child and the Catholic bishops were leading the faithful against Roe v Wade.I see things from my perspective you see things from yours. The candle of hope for the protection of life is flickering out, people like Fr. Pavone are trying to keep it light.
The pro-life cause cannot depend on just on person or it will indeed flicker and fail. Don’t spend your energy complaining about the bishop; become active in the pro-life groups in your area. In particular, spend time supporting those women who are continuing their pregnancies and giving birth despite difficult situations.
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catharina
Guest
Absolutely true, Mrs Sally.The candle of hope is not flickering out as long as we all do our part. **The Catholic bishops were at one point almost the only voice speaking out against abortion. **In 1973, Fr Pavone was still a child and the Catholic bishops were leading the faithful against Roe v Wade.
The pro-life cause cannot depend on just on person or it will indeed flicker and fail. Don’t spend your energy complaining about the bishop; become active in the pro-life groups in your area. In particular, spend time supporting those women who are continuing their pregnancies and giving birth despite difficult situations.
Very sad to say, there is collection of angry people who would
exalt Fr. Pavone and ignore his message and example of obedience.
Yesterday I received an unsolicited appeal for MONEY from a group called
“FreeFatherFrank.” Talk about disheartening and disrepectful! Perhaps
they got my name and email address from PFL. Who else could supply
such a thing? I’m sure I wasn’t a random hit.
Free FrF from what? From obedience? From a life of consecration???
Seldom am I shocked these days but that email shocked me. It was odious.
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Kay_Cee
Guest
Didn’t Father Pavone take an oath of obedience to his bishop? My understanding is that he did.I understand the importance of being obedient, Christ was obedient even to death on a cross, He was not obedient to commit sin.
I can’t think of a scenario where violating a marriage vow could help others but no of course that would’nt be permissable.
There has been no violation of oaths on his part what has he violated, this is absurdity. He has certain rights under church law and he is not violating anything if and when he excercises those rights. Nobody should have any problem about that, because everyone has to be obedient to those laws, including everyone.
I see things from my perspective you see things from yours. The candle of hope for the protection of life is flickering out, people like Fr. Pavone are trying to keep it light.
So if Father is being obedient to the authority of his bishop, you should rejoice in that. If he is not obedient to the authority of his bishop, then he is violating his oath.
If I were a priest who had sworn to obey my bishop, and my bishop ordered me to go down to the corner and sing–complete with hand gestures–“I’m a Little Teapot”, you know what I would do? I would go down to the corner and both sing and act out “I’m a Little Teapot.” If you think my behavior would be absurd, I have to tell you that you are not getting the point.
If Jesus ordered you to do the above, would you? Well, of course you would. What you don’t seem to understand is that when the bishop gives a priest an order, it’s the same as if God Himself had given it. Period.
Now, if there’s a problem with the bishop’s behavior (which, BTW, is not my point at all), then that is between him and God. That is for God to judge, not us.
What you don’t seem to be getting is that when we are submissive to divinely appointed authority, God grants incredible graces. The prayer, and sacrifices, of a righteous person are very powerful (see James 5:16).
Father will do far more good for the pro-life cause by his obedience. You want Father to keep the candle lit? He can set it ablaze with his obedience! Instead of a single flame, he can ignite a conflagration!
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catharina
Guest
YES.Didn’t Father Pavone take an oath of obedience to his bishop? My understanding is that he did.
So if Father is being obedient to the authority of his bishop, you should rejoice in that. If he is not obedient to the authority of his bishop, then he is violating his oath.
If I were a priest who had sworn to obey my bishop, and my bishop ordered me to go down to the corner and sing–complete with hand gestures–“I’m a Little Teapot”, you know what I would do? I would go down to the corner and both sing and act out “I’m a Little Teapot.” If you think my behavior would be absurd, I have to tell you that you are not getting the point.
If Jesus ordered you to do the above, would you? Well, of course you would. What you don’t seem to understand is that when the bishop gives a priest an order, it’s the same as if God Himself had given it. Period.
Now, if there’s a problem with the bishop’s behavior (which, BTW, is not my point at all), then that is between him and God. That is for God to judge, not us.
What you don’t seem to be getting is that when we are submissive to divinely appointed authority, God grants incredible graces. The prayer, and sacrifices, of a righteous person are very powerful (see James 5:16).
Father will do far more good for the pro-life cause by his obedience. You want Father to keep the candle lit? He can set it ablaze with his obedience! Instead of a single flame, he can ignite a conflagration!
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Mrs_Sally
Guest
That is really disgraceful! My daughter recently ordered “Little feet” pins from priests for life for her pro-life club at school. I wonder what is in her email?Absolutely true, Mrs Sally.
Very sad to say, there is collection of angry people who would
exalt Fr. Pavone and ignore his message and example of obedience.
Yesterday I received an unsolicited appeal for MONEY from a group called
“FreeFatherFrank.” Talk about disheartening and disrepectful! Perhaps
they got my name and email address from PFL. Who else could supply
such a thing? I’m sure I wasn’t a random hit.
Free FrF from what? From obedience? From a life of consecration???
Seldom am I shocked these days but that email shocked me. It was odious.
Fr Pavone is now staying at a convent in Texas - a convent with thriving vocations - and some people are trying to make out that he is in prison because there isn’t a TV in his room. How can a priest, who is basically on a retreat at a convent house, be considered to be in prison? The cult of personality that can build up around priests if a frightening thing. They have lost sight of their true goal, if “freeing Fr Frank” is now the focus.
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Miriam1947
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Do you have an article or website source?That is really disgraceful! My daughter recently ordered “Little feet” pins from priests for life for her pro-life club at school. I wonder what is in her email?
Fr Pavone is now staying at a convent in Texas - a convent with thriving vocations - and some people are trying to make out that he is in prison because there isn’t a TV in his room. How can a priest, who is basically on a retreat at a convent house, be considered to be in prison? The cult of personality that can build up around priests if a frightening thing. They have lost sight of their true goal, if “freeing Fr Frank” is now the focus.
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catharina
Guest
Miriam, it seems that Mrs Sally is off-line.Do you have an article or website source?
However, the internet is an open highway.
Go to google and search for Fr. Pavone, amarillo.
If the web search is not enough for you, move
to news column. One reporter in particular, a woman
named Karen — has made the accusations that
Mrs. Sally mentioned.
Getting back to my question:
how did that horrible email reach me?
Clearly, someone, maybe many, within
the PFL organization is making a
very bad use of the PFL mailing list.
Truly dsgusting.
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promethius
Guest
Then you understand why it is important that Father Pavone follow his oath to always obey his bishop and to stay in Amarillo until released by said authority.I understand the importance of being obedient, Christ was obedient even to death on a cross, He was not obedient to commit sin.
I can’t think of a scenario where violating a marriage vow could help others but no of course that would’nt be permissable.
That is correct. He returned in loyalty to his bishop’s valid order and authority. He did not violate his oath, hence why he remains in good standing.There has been no violation of oaths on his part what has he violated, this is absurdity.
That does not change the fact that the bishop had the right to call him back to the diocese. Had he not returned, he would be violating his oath.
What rights of his have been violated? Name them.He has certain rights under church law and he is not violating anything if and when he excercises those rights. Nobody should have any problem about that, because everyone has to be obedient to those laws, including everyone.
You know, the bishop may be concerned about certain allegations of financial impropriety and is trying to settle them quietly so as NOT to harm the reputation of Father Pavone publicly. In other words, the silence may be BEST for Father Pavone. None of us know why the Bishop has chosen to be silent on the matter… but what I DO know is that you don’t have the right to demand justification from the bishop to do what is in his power to do. You also don’t have the right to be a voyeur into any sort of allegations which may have been brought against Father Pavone (either justly or unjustly) until such time as the Bishop decides they are a matter of the public record.I am questioning that; a Bishop should have a strong reasoning for his orders and they should reflect a priority that places the most benefit of concern on the highest good. My question was and is why isn’t the Bishop trying to help PFL with any and all difficulties as much as he can; not just saying I’ll recall him and that’s that.
What amazes me is that the Bishop has been compassionate and caring about Father Pavone’s reputation in handling this matter… and YOU want the bishop to out the allegations or reasons for the recall and thus to harm Father Pavone and his cause publicly. Get off the voyeur wagon and let the bishop do his job!
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catharina
Guest
:clapping::clapping::clapping:Then you understand why it is important that Father Pavone follow his oath to always obey his bishop and to stay in Amarillo until released by said authority.
That is correct. He returned in loyalty to his bishop’s valid order and authority. He did not violate his oath, hence why he remains in good standing.
That does not change the fact that the bishop had the right to call him back to the diocese. Had he not returned, he would be violating his oath.
What rights of his have been violated? Name them.
You know, the bishop may be concerned about certain allegations of financial impropriety and is trying to settle them quietly so as NOT to harm the reputation of Father Pavone publicly. In other words, the silence may be BEST for Father Pavone. None of us know why the Bishop has chosen to be silent on the matter… but what I DO know is that you don’t have the right to demand justification from the bishop to do what is in his power to do. You also don’t have the right to be a voyeur into any sort of allegations which may have been brought against Father Pavone (either justly or unjustly) until such time as the Bishop decides they are a matter of the public record.
What amazes me is that the Bishop has been compassionate and caring about Father Pavone’s reputation in handling this matter… and YOU want the bishop to out the allegations or reasons for the recall and thus to harm Father Pavone and his cause publicly. Get off the voyeur wagon and let the bishop do his job!
:flowers:
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Mrs_Sally
Guest
I followed the links from Mark Shea’s blog to the news/commentary from the “LifeDynamics” host who visited him at the convent. I then googled the order and took a look at their website. As Catharina suggested, I looked at other news and web reports and saw the same thing in other places – certain people claiming he was “imprisoned” and that his human rights were being violated, and the reason cited was that he was living in a simple style at a convent/retreat house.Do you have an article or website source?
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catharina
Guest
A reminder of what the Bishop actually said to his diocese:
from amarillodiocese.org/index.cfm?load=news&newsarticle=277&page=4
October 5, 2011
by Bishop Patrick J. Zurek
… read letter at link.
from amarillodiocese.org/index.cfm?load=news&newsarticle=277&page=4
October 5, 2011
by Bishop Patrick J. Zurek
… read letter at link.
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