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VanSensei
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Shame on the bishop of Nigeria for supporting this draconian law.
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kozlosap
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This!
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blaskoman
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I wish the Nigerian govt would crack down on all those internet scammers trying to fleece Americans!
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ClearWater
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Well, I guess it’d be better have like they have than like the US, and other places, where we have legal gay marriage, adoption, and where some gays are allowed to persecute Christian businesses and organizations, getting them shut down and fined.
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gracepoole
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So in order to stop Christian businesses from being sued or closed, homosexuality should be criminalized?
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Estevao
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If bestality is illegal I don’t see what’s the problem with this. Using the rhetoric and “arguments” of the homosexualists you can just as easily condone bestiality, “love is love” and animals can consent too, but if you’re gonna say “no” to the homosexualists’ specious reasoning and ban bestiality, you might as well ban the aberrant sexual practice of homosexuality too.
catholic.com/quickquestions/what-are-sins-that-cry-to-heaven-for-vengeance-and-sins-against-the-holy-spirit
catholic.com/quickquestions/what-are-sins-that-cry-to-heaven-for-vengeance-and-sins-against-the-holy-spirit
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VanSensei
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It inhibits gay rights by endangering their lives in their own country. No one should have to fear for their lives because of their “aberrant” sexuality.
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Estevao
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Why is it endangering their lives? They don’t have to have homosexual relations if they don’t want to, just like people who find animals attractive don’t have to enter into relations with them don’t have to if they don’t want to. Given that sodomy is one of the sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance, I’m not really so offended at this law as the perpetually offended PC brigade seem to be, here and elsewhere.
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Estevao
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On the one hand, whether or not animals can consent seems utterly ridiculous to ask given that we hunt, slaughter, artificially inseminate, test and make pets of animals without their consent. On the other hand, animals surely can consent to sex with a human being. Ever had a dog try and hump your leg?
More arguments:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia#Arguments_for_zoophilia
My point isn’t really that homosexuality is against my religion therefore it should be banned, but that it should be banned as long as we are going to ban bestiality.
What I personally think about this law is informed by my religion, however if the homosexualists were consistent, then I would totally approve of homosexuality, incest and bestiality being made legal. But the homosexualists aren’t consistent, because they don’t actually believe their arguments. They just want to force other people to accept their diabolical actions because they KNOW it’s wrong, but they can’t bear to be reminded of this so they have to silence opposition.
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josh987654321
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“The Catholic Church does not want homosexuals to be treated as criminals,”
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I see no need for homosexuality to be a criminal offense, I believe Russia has the most appropriate laws, which simply outlaws the promotion of it.
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VanSensei
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I guess. The people in Russia have de facto criminalized it anyway.
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josh987654321
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It frustrates me when people accuse Russia of being ‘anti gay’ etc what is so unjst about their stance on homosexuality? it is not criminalized only the promotion of it is, I believe their laws on it a completely righteous and just, I believe it’s places like here in the west that go to one extreme and places like nigeria that go to the other extreme.
A classical example is when it comes to women, the west are always quick to point out the supression of women in other countries, which they are justified in doing, but they will never point out the massive exploitation and degradation of women here in the west.
Thank you for reading
Josh
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pnewton
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I will continue the comparison. There are more points of similarity than there are of differences.
I understand where the bishop who spoke is coming from. No one has a right by law to commit any immoral act. I also get the opposing view. Legislating morality can be imprudent. Perhaps laws like this aren’t a good idea in parts of the world at this time. On the other hand, I would rather have laws prohibiting homosexuality than government promotion of homosexuality. The Gay Rights movement throughout the world has gone past acceptance and into promotion. It is this aggressiveness that has resulted in Nigeria needing a law like this to protect its citizenry. Morality is always better than immorality.
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pnewton
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Laws do not operate “de facto”. If there is not law, there is no criminalization. “De facto” does not apply.
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SMGS127
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I’m pretty sure he means that it’s already criminalized via public responses through mass beatings of gay people.
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josh987654321
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In Russia? Beating other people isn’t a criminal offense in Russia? I’m sure it is although I am unsure where to find out.
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pnewton
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“Mass” is a relative term. Gang violence happens everywhere. We could talk about mass beatings of whites in America and claim that the United States has made being white a virtual crime with the same amount of legitimacy. Criminal violence is not sign of tacit approval. It is criminal activity. It is not illegal to commit homosexual acts in Russia. It is illegal to promote homosexuality.
I tried looking for the outcome of some of the crimes, but the search engines fill with arrests of gay protesters and condemnation of Putin. Interesting. There is not gay agenda. There is no gay agenda.
Okay, I tried a different tact and looked up arrests for neo-nazis, though this would be but a slice of news and not one popular to a gay-promoting press.
advocate.com/news/world-news/2014/01/21/antigay-russian-neo-nazi-arrested-cuba
Here we see active and extreme prosecution for anti-gay assault.
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SMGS127
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Of course it’s a criminal offense. On the books, at least. But heck, if your victim was gay, no prosecutor in Russia would even think to put you on trial. I remember reading a quote from an Orthodox priest bemoaning not being able to take part in the beating of a gay man due to his role in the church.
Your link specifically mentions that he was NOT arrested for his assaults on gay men, and no charges have been brought against him as a result. He is being investigated for other, non-gay-related issues.“Mass” is a relative term. Gang violence happens everywhere. We could talk about mass beatings of whites in America and claim that the United States has made being white a virtual crime with the same amount of legitimacy. Criminal violence is not sign of tacit approval. It is criminal activity. It is not illegal to commit homosexual acts in Russia. It is illegal to promote homosexuality.
I tried looking for the outcome of some of the crimes, but the search engines fill with arrests of gay protesters and condemnation of Putin. Interesting. There is not gay agenda. There is no gay agenda.
Okay, I tried a different tact and looked up arrests for neo-nazis, though this would be but a slice of news and not one popular to a gay-promoting press.
advocate.com/news/world-news/2014/01/21/antigay-russian-neo-nazi-arrested-cuba
Here we see active and extreme prosecution for anti-gay assault.
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pnewton
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Any evidence of this? This is the problem I have with all the reporting. No one is reporting past the assault. I think it goes without saying that assaults need to be vigorously prosecuted. No one deserves to be beat by a bunch of thugs. If this is happening, it is not a problem with the law, but with the enforcement.
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