Catholic Bishops Support Employment Discrimination against Gays

[Zoe_Brain]

The latest from the Jakarta Post:

The Indonesian Bishops’ Council (KWI) has declared the controversial marriage of transgender Alterina Hofan illegal, kompas.com reported on Monday.

KWI secretary Benny Susetyo said the Catholic Church could not accept the marriage and suggested that Alterina should seek medication rather than changing her sex status.

“The Catholic Church bans marriage between people of the same sex,” Benny said, adding that the KWI deemed Alterina had defied her nature.

Alterina has the rare Klinefelter’s syndrome which gives him an extra X chromosome, making him look more effeminate. After years of operations, he documented himself as a man and even married Jane Hadipoespito.

Benny said the health problem could not justify the change in sex status. “Her DNA and genetics prove she is female, therefore she can be medically cured,” the priest said.

He suggested that the state should regulate the issue of same-sex marriage as it could create more social problems in the future.

Jane’s parents denounced the marriage, filing a lawsuit against Alterina for fraud because he had previously declared he was a woman on his identity card. Alterina is facing a seven-year imprisonment for the alleged fraud.

In the USA of course, most people who are 47,XXY are deemed male. Some can father children, after all. There are exceptions, of course. Chromosomes have no magical powers, there are 46,XX males, 46,XY females, 47,XXY males, 47,XXY females as well as the usual 46,XX females and 46,XY males.

One wonders what “medication” the Indonesian Catholic Bishops are referring to. They seem to have an astounding Faith in medical science so it can work miracles - when it suits them.

I wish the Catholic Church would at least act consistently when it comes to biology. Some claim that the presence of a Y chromosome makes the person male, regardless of other considerations, Others think that 2 X chromosomes makes a person female, regardless again of other considerations. The only consistency appears to be in the persecution.

 

[Dale_M]

Read it for yourself: Notice how the MCC has decided the greek word pais is used in a way that could apply to a teenager.

wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html

First of all, the website is the opinion of one MCC church (Jesus MCC, in Indianapolis), not the entire denomination. But more importantly, the discussion concerns the Roman centurion who seeks help for his servant. The discussion claims that it might have been for a teen age boy who provided sex to his master. Its a speculative claim, but certainly such relationships were well known in that time period, both heterosexual and homosexual.

I don’t see how it is a justification of pedophilia, though. Remember, Mary was probably 13 or 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus.
newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

This doesn’t mean that modern day Christians believe being a mother at that age is good. People lived much. much shorter lives in previous centuries, so what we consider teenagers today were often expected to behave as adults back then.

 

[ForeverGrace]

Dale,

I didn’t presume this thought for anyone. I said:

There are places that call themselves churches who openly accept gays. They have even decided that David and Jonathon were Gay lovers. Some people will do anything to call what is unholy, holy. The MCC has also decided that Jesus supported pedophilia.

What you and I assume about the culture at that time, is clearly, entirely different from what these particular folks are giving credence to. I used it as an illustration to demonstrate just how far **some people **will go to justify sin. No more, no less.

 

[Dale_M]

ForeverGrace, you claimed:

The MCC has also decided that Jesus supported pedophilia.

I asked for evidence to support that statement. You offered a website which did not claim to be official MCC doctrine. Moreover, that website did not say that Jesus supported pedophilia… That is all I was pointing out.

 

[PRmerger]

Dale,

I didn’t presume this thought for anyone. I said:

What you and I assume about the culture at that time, is clearly, entirely different from what these particular folks are giving credence to. I used it as an illustration to demonstrate just how far **some people **will go to justify sin. No more, no less.

Just so we’re clear, FG, you are not claiming that the MCC profess that Jesus approved of pedophilia, correct?