Catholic but not Marian

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steve_b said:
By Divine plan here’s how the NT story of our redemprion and salvation begins. Mary says yes to God to be the mother of His son who will be made flesh from Mary. The mediator who brings about our redemption and salvation comes through His mother Mary…by Divine design. The mediator coming through the mediatrix.

Joyful Mysteries (How our NT salvation and redemption began)


  1. *]THE ANNUNCIATION
    *]THE VISITATION
    *]THE NATIVITY
    *]THE PRESENTATION
    *]THE FINDING OF THE CHILD JESUS IN THE TEMPLE

    By Jesus our mediator coming to us through Mary His mother, that makes Mary mediatrix by definition.

    The prefix “co” in co-mediatrix, in Latin, means “with”, it does NOT mean equal to, or in place of.

    Mary is NOT a surrogate in anyway to Jesus. Jesus is her son and she is His mother forever more…

    In the big picture

    If we are children of God through Jesus then we are all his brothers and sisters. In extension, that means we are all Mary’s children also. In Our case we are adopted into the family, but family members just the same. Since Mary is OUR mother too, we are to

    Mt 15:4 **Honor **your Father and Mother

    In the Greek, Honor = τιμάω = timaō

    definition
    1. to estimate, fix the value
      a) for the value of something belonging to one’s self
    2. to honour, to have in honour, to revere, venerate
    Venerate: definition

    1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
    2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
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I wonder how many of us when we wanted something from our father, would go to our mother and ask for her help?

Just a thought.
 
I think there can be a healthy continuum of devotion to Mary. There are many things, such as apparitions that we as Catholics are not required to believe. But… there are dogmas that Catholics are supposed to believe. I am wondering if you would like to read more on Mary to see why the Church believes what it does about her role in Salvation History. Mark Shea has an excellent trilogy called Mary, Mother of the Son. He does a great job taking the Marian dogmas and explaining how they are really all about the person of Jesus. They are easy reads for those of us who struggle with this devotion. Here is also a link to one of his blogs: mark-shea.com/HE10.html
 
TK421 said:
Mary as the Ark of the Covenant

This video may help you understand the premise around which Mary is venerated as the highest of the saints. Veneration & adoration of Mary, as with all other saints, and as with our friends and family in this present life, always makes us stronger in loving God. If we do not love each other, we do not love God.

It’s true that sometimes men can have a harder time connecting with her than women, and that is not entirely to be unexpected. You shouldn’t be put off by that though; just think of it as a reason to go deeper with it.
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That YouTube video is truly awesome, and I think it’s one of the best ones out there. At first I used to really have a problem with Marian devotion but with God’s grace I was able to see how it was only a stumbling block to my pride. In the Scriptures we read Christ say “The servant is not greater than his Lord” and I see all throughout Scripture we are called to live Christ. I then thought; well Christ came to use through Mary, so why shouldn’t I? If Christ humbled Himself to come to us through her, then shouldn’t I, likewise, humble myself and go through her to get to Him? Then you see how Mary is the New Ark, and how the Queens in the Ancient world were always the Mothers of the Kings and how anyone who wanted to talk to the King would present their petitions to the Queen since she would present them as her own; and what good son would refuse His mother anything, especially when her will is conformed to his?

It’s just eye opening to see how much she helps us with the power of Her Son. I think at the end of the world we are all going to see that no one got to Heaven without her help.

Anyway two books I can recommend are:

“True Devotion to Mary” by St. Louis de Montfort

“The Admiral Heart of Mary” by St. John Eudes
 
CarolNoel said:
I wonder how many of us when we wanted something from our father, would go to our mother and ask for her help?

Just a thought.
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I think that this is a very good point. I think some would go to mom and some would just go directly to dad…Different children have different relationships with parents.
So if one child is perfectly comfortable going directly to dad…no problem…certainly mom is not going to be upset about it…
What kind of mom would she be if she got upset because we went straight to dad?

Peace
James
 
Just like my father told me growing up, to always love and respect my mother.
I’m sure our Heavenly Father expects the same thing from us.

Just like we wouldn’t like our loved ones to ignore us, we should be more than happy to accept Mary’s motherly love and assistance.
 
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De_Montfort said:
Just like my father told me growing up, to always love and respect my mother.
I’m sure our Heavenly Father expects the same thing from us.

Just like we wouldn’t like our loved ones to ignore us, we should be more than happy to accept Mary’s motherly love and assistance.
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De_Montfort said:
Just like my father told me growing up, to always love and respect my mother.
I’m sure our Heavenly Father expects the same thing from us.

Just like we wouldn’t like our loved ones to ignore us, we should be more than happy to accept Mary’s motherly love and assistance.
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👍👍👍

Peace
James
 
StuMondo said:
Here’s a video i like that summarizes a lot:

youtube.com/watch?v=Kkj_MN7Tnu0

It will take you through
  • Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant
  • Mary as the new Eve
  • Mary as the Queen Mother
Psalms 132:8 was a trip for me.

Also, it has mysterious music playing in the background so you know it’s true.
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I wasn’t going to watch the video. I’m not a Marian devotee but since I’m not even Catholic yet, figure there’s time for that. There is a slight bit of grasp regarding the Marian devotion and some understanding of the confusing terminology surrounding Mary within me. This was a subject that I’ve asked the RCIA director about, so I’ve gotten some understanding. While I don’t think this video will offer any new information, I had to hear the truth verifying mysterious music.

That cracked me up.
 
It took me awhile to appreciate Mary. As a former protestant, you are just taught that she gave birth to Jesus and that’s about it. In a lot of protestant conservative circles, the “male” power is valued more than “female” power. I don’t think they really mean it as disrespect, but that’s how they interpreted and spoke about scripture (in the particular churches I attended). As a woman, there were times when I knew that I loved Jesus, but felt disconnected to the church because I wasn’t a man. (Again, not all protestant churches are the same, but I’m just sharing my experience). Mary really helps me feel connected to the greater church.

However, the more you study Mary and Marian theology, the more you realize “there REALLY is something about Mary!” One of my Catholic friends gives a beautiful testimony about how she thought the rosary was just a bunch of ****, then she started doing it and it really changed her heart.

Mary was one of my big obstacles to going Catholic, but once I accepted her (as the RCC teaches), it wasn’t a big leap to accept the idea that we can pray to the saints for intervention in our lives.

I’m not a “devotee” (yet!), but I feel like I’m heading that way given how much I’m drawn to her.
 
Keeping it simple 🙂 for those who don’t know Mary’s role in the Church.
Should we honor (venerate) Mary?🤷 Let’s look at the Bible:
  1. Mary is addressed by an Angel as **‘full of grace’ (or ‘highly favored’) ** Lk 1:28
  2. Mary said **‘yes’ to God **through his Angel (Lk 1:38)
  3. Mary is ‘overshadowed’ by the Holy Spirit (Lk 1:35)
  4. Mary is called ‘Blessed among women’ by Elizabeth (Lk 1:42)
  5. Mary gave birth to our Lord and Savior (Lk 2:7)
  6. Mary (and Joseph) raised Jesus, and Jesus was obedient to them (Lk 2:51)
  7. Mary is one of Jesus’ first disciples, present at the wedding in Cana (Jn: 2:1)
  8. Mary interceded on behalf of the wedding party to Jesus for more wine (Jn 2:3)
  9. Mary is present at ‘the foot of the cross’, when many of the others had fled (Jn 19:25)
  10. Mary is given as ‘mother’ to the ‘disciple whom he loved’ (and the Church) by
    Jesus     (as he is dying on the cross) Jn 19:26-27
  11. Mary remains a disciple after the Crucifixion, is present with the other disciples at
    Pentecost, she receives the Holy Spirit (a second time!)     Acts 1:14; 2:1-4
So the question again is: Should we honor (venerate) Mary?

"For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed…" (Lk 1:48)

I think the answer to that question is: Absolutely!!! 👍
 
CalCatholic said:
Keeping it simple 🙂 for those who don’t know Mary’s role in the Church.
Should we honor (venerate) Mary?🤷 Let’s look at the Bible:
  1. Mary is addressed by an Angel as **‘full of grace’ (or ‘highly favored’) ** Lk 1:28
  2. Mary said **‘yes’ to God **through his Angel (Lk 1:38)
  3. Mary is ‘overshadowed’ by the Holy Spirit (Lk 1:35)
  4. Mary is called ‘Blessed among women’ by Elizabeth (Lk 1:42)
  5. Mary gave birth to our Lord and Savior (Lk 2:7)
  6. Mary (and Joseph) raised Jesus, and Jesus was obedient to them (Lk 2:51)
  7. Mary is one of Jesus’ first disciples, present at the wedding in Cana (Jn: 2:1)
  8. Mary interceded on behalf of the wedding party to Jesus for more wine (Jn 2:3)
  9. Mary is present at ‘the foot of the cross’, when many of the others had fled (Jn 19:25)
  10. Mary is given as ‘mother’ to the ‘disciple whom he loved’ (and the Church) by
    Jesus     (as he is dying on the cross) Jn 19:26-27
  11. Mary remains a disciple after the Crucifixion, is present with the other disciples at
    Pentecost, she receives the Holy Spirit (a second time!)     Acts 1:14; 2:1-4
So the question again is: Should we honor (venerate) Mary?

"For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed…" (Lk 1:48)

I think the answer to that question is: Absolutely!!! 👍
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