Catholic Charismatic Renewal, an effective response to Charismatic Evanglicals?

[netmilsmom]

We are a indeed a bible and tradition based church so perhaps, we could include the bible part. To suggest that a catholic need not be taken a catholic scripture course is just plain sad.

Read it again. I said “with”.

I was telling this story to one of the holiest women I know. She’s a consecrated virgin who can’t say two sentences without saying Jesus. And when I told her about this she said, “Why are they are worried about this silly thing. They are missing the point.” My friend may not all the fine points of the GIRM, but I don’t know anyone who knows more about living a life of faith than her.

Kendy

So is she Catholic?

 

[Karin]

Read it again. I said “with”.

So is she Catholic?

consecratedvirgins.org/cv/becomingcv.html
the site even lists all of them…

 

[netmilsmom]

consecratedvirgins.org/cv/becomingcv.html
the site even lists all of them…

From that site…

• A woman aspiring to the Consecration should be practicing her faith. She accepts the teaching of the Church and Sacred Scripture, with a readiness and capacity for personal growth. She should be able to give herself totally to God and the Church.
  And this is a woman that called the rules of the GIRM “silly”?

 

[netmilsmom]

really more so than your Priest?

And Cardinal Arinze???

 

[Karin]

From that site…

• A woman aspiring to the Consecration should be practicing her faith. She accepts the teaching of the Church and Sacred Scripture, with a readiness and capacity for personal growth. She should be able to give herself totally to God and the Church.
  And this is a woman that called the rules of the GIRM “silly”?

I wonder if Kendy’s friends name is on the list that they (the website) have of consecrated virgins

 

[Carrie_Andrews]

I am catholic. I don’t want to be anything other than catholic for many, many reasons that are much more important than these rules. I am a little disappointed that people have time bto make rules like that, but I am not going to leave the bride of christ over something this silly.

Good for you, you know what your in our church for, now lose some of that pride, we all need to.

 

[Kendy]

And Kendy what does the Consecrated Virgin see as the “point”?

The point is to love and worship God.

really more so than your Priest?

I think it’s funny that you would assume that my priest must exceed everyone in holiness. But yes, a lot more than my priest. I don’t know anyone who is more prayerful (hours everyday), more committed (her whole life to preaching and living below the poverty line), and more loving (there’s actually something holy about the way she laughs. I don’t know anyone who exudes more joy of the Lord) than this woman. She’s spend most of her Saturdays in front of the blessed sacrament. But she really doesn’t seem to understand why anyone who had “a real encounter with God” would think this is worthy of their attention.

I have also asked a friend of mine who is a seminarian and he just laughed; he knew about the rule, but didn’t it was important. I asked all the women at the crisis pregancy center where I volunteer, and half of them didn’t know it was a rule, and the ones who did, could not understand why it was important. These are all catholics, and not just Sunday catholics. But people who give their lives to working for God in some capacity.

I intend to ask my spiritual director. He’s a very holy carmelite monk, and I trust him.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

And Cardinal Arinze???

I don’t know cardinal Arinze so I am in no position to comment on his holiness, but I hope the cardinal is as committed to the faith, hope, and love as Sara. If he is, he’s in a very good place.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

Read it again. I said “with”.

So is she Catholic?

I don’t think we actually disagree on the role of scripture and tradition in theory. But it’s possible that we disagree in practice. I read scripture everyday, and read a book by a saint once a month or so. I read the catechism once, and that about concludes my spiritual readings. So, in practice, I spent a lot of time in the scriptures so it shapes how I practice my faith.

 

[Kendy]

consecratedvirgins.org/cv/becomingcv.html
the site even lists all of them…

I should clarify that she will take her vows this year so she’s not on the list.

 

[Kendy]

From that site…

• A woman aspiring to the Consecration should be practicing her faith. She accepts the teaching of the Church and Sacred Scripture, with a readiness and capacity for personal growth. She should be able to give herself totally to God and the Church.
  And this is a woman that called the rules of the GIRM “silly”?

Well, I think she’s too busy praying and serving God to be worried about what people do with their hands. She understands that it has NOTHING to do with what is important—what’s in someone’s heart. She’s much more interested in helping the people she teaches grow in faith. I know whenever I have heard her talk I know I am listening to someone who is responding to God’s call in her life.

I can honestly say, I don’t know anyone who is as in love with Jesus as this person. I don’t know anyone is more authentically Christian than her. I am not saying they don’t exist, but trust me, she’s as genuine as they come.

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

Good for you, you know what your in our church for, now lose some of that pride, we all need to.

I will try. . I can’t remember the last time I was so irritated about something.

 

[Kendy]

And Cardinal Arinze???

The few times I have seen the cardinal on T.V. I liked him, and thought he was right on. Of course, the fact that we put the word cardinal before his name does not mean he could not be a scoundrel. This is not relevant because whether he is holy or not, he still has authority, which should be taken seriously. And I realize that I have been less than respectful to the cardinal’s office, and I regret that. Despite previous accusation, I am actually not fond of dismissing vatican rules.

However, if you have ever worked for a large corporation, you know that feeling when a rule comes down from the corporate office that makes you feel like those people in the board room are a little disconnected with on what’s going on on the ground. And their rule, which they just think is great is not jiving well with your local employees and customers. So, if you happen to be the manager of the branch, you kinda fudge to get what you need to get done done.

And I think the same thing is happening here. The cardinal has great rules, which he thinks will somehow help us grow in holiness, but many parish priests, particular those in black neighborhoods here in Chicago, believe for one reason or another this will not cut it at their parish. In parishes where it’s important for them to experience that communal aspects of worship, for whatever reason, you will see this type of behavior. I have seen the priest come down, and everybody get out of their pews and walk around to greet each other. And to be honest, I find it a little disrptive , but I also know how difficult it is to keep an active black parish in South Chicago. There are parishes closing up all over the place here, and if this helps people connect to the parish, then, I think the pastor is right to do what’s right for his parish by allowing them to hold hands.

Of course, you may not care and suggest that they should just leave and become protestant, but I think it’s ashame that you are so indifferent to whether or not people remain in the church. I want these people to stay close to Christ in the eucharist, and I don’t think the cardinal, in his corporate office far away from South Chicago, fully appreciates the impact that his rules have on the ground. You can’t walk into a local baptist church here without a complete stranger hugging you; it’s a touchy feely culture, and I once took someone to a catholic church that I liked, and his first response to me was that everyone seemed really cold. And so, I realized if I was going to get him at all interested, it was going to be in a South Chicago touchy-feely parish.

This is not to say that we need to just let people do whatever. We cannot let people sin so that they might stay in the catholic church, but this is not a sin. It’s a very very small concession for the sake of the people for whom the church exists.

Kendy

 

[netmilsmom]

Well, I think she’s too busy praying and serving God to be worried about what people do with their hands. She understands that it has NOTHING to do with what is important—what’s in someone’s heart. She’s much more interested in helping the people she teaches grow in faith. I know whenever I have heard her talk I know I am listening to someone who is responding to God’s call in her life.

So why are you worried about it.
You say that you don’t hold hands or use the Orans.
So why worry.

 

[netmilsmom]

The few times I have seen the cardinal on T.V. I liked him, and thought he was right on. Of course, the fact that we put the word cardinal before his name does not mean he could not be a scoundrel. This is not relevant because whether he is holy or not, he still has authority, which should be taken seriously. And I realize that I have been less than respectful to the cardinal’s office, and I regret that. Despite previous accusation, I am actually not fond of dismissing vatican rules.

However, if you have ever worked for a large corporation, you know that feeling when a rule comes down from the corporate office that makes you feel like those people in the board room are a little disconnected with on what’s going on on the ground. And their rule, which they just think is great is not jiving well with your local employees and customers. So, if you happen to be the manager of the branch, you kinda fudge to get what you need to get done done.

And I think the same thing is happening here. The cardinal has great rules, which he thinks will somehow help us grow in holiness, but many parish priests, particular those in black neighborhoods here in Chicago, believe for one reason or another this will not cut it at their parish. In parishes where it’s important for them to experience that communal aspects of worship, for whatever reason, you will see this type of behavior. I have seen the priest come down, and everybody get out of their pews and walk around to greet each other. And to be honest, I find it a little disrptive , but I also know how difficult it is to keep an active black parish in South Chicago. There are parishes closing up all over the place here, and if this helps people connect to the parish, then, I think the pastor is right to do what’s right for his parish by allowing them to hold hands.

Of course, you may not care and suggest that they should just leave and become protestant, but I think it’s ashame that you are so indifferent to whether or not people remain in the church. I want these people to stay close to Christ in the eucharist, and I don’t think the cardinal, in his corporate office far away from South Chicago, fully appreciates the impact that his rules have on the ground. You can’t walk into a local baptist church here without a complete stranger hugging you; it’s a touchy feely culture, and I once took someone to a catholic church that I liked, and his first response to me was that everyone seemed really cold. And so, I realized if I was going to get him at all interested, it was going to be in a South Chicago touchy-feely parish.

This is not to say that we need to just let people do whatever. We cannot let people sin so that they might stay in the catholic church, but this is not a sin. It’s a very very small concession for the sake of the people for whom the church exists.

Kendy

1. The Cardinal was hand appointed by JPII the Holy Spirit does not like a scoundrel.
2. You have no clue why these rules were put into effect.
3. I don’t like handholding or orans for the laity Where is my concession?
4. The more you talk, the more you just don’t seem to like rules, IMO

 

[netmilsmom]

I have also asked a friend of mine who is a seminarian and he just laughed; he knew about the rule, but didn’t it was important. I asked all the women at the crisis pregancy center where I volunteer, and half of them didn’t know it was a rule, and the ones who did, could not understand why it was important. These are all catholics, and not just Sunday catholics. But people who give their lives to working for God in some capacity.

I intend to ask my spiritual director. He’s a very holy carmelite monk, and I trust him.

Kendy

YIKES!!!
This is the problem with the church today.
People know about Birth Control but don’t care (even seminarians)
People know about Birth Control but don’t think it’s important
And some have no clue about the rules of Birth Control.

OH my.
No wonder we are where we are.

 

[Kendy]

So why are you worried about it.
You say that you don’t hold hands or use the Orans.
So why worry.

Well, if someone reach for my hand, I think the kind thing to do is to give it to them. Plus, it bothers me that people are being micromanaged by this way.

 

[Kendy]

1. The Cardinal was hand appointed by JPII the Holy Spirit does not like a scoundrel.

Didn’t Benedict just accept someone’s resignation because he didn’t know about his past. But anyway, I never said he was a scoundrel. I said he may or may not be, but it’s irrelevant.

1. You have no clue why these rules were put into effect.

I never claimed to. Instead of spending all this time telling me to just obey tem, you could have told me why they are so important.

1. I don’t like handholding or orans for the laity Where is my concession?

Nobody is making you do it.

1. The more you talk, the more you just don’t seem to like rules, IMO

Then you are not l.istening to me because I have given some pretty detailed reasons, especially in the last post why I have a problem with this particular rule.

 

[netmilsmom]

Well, if someone reach for my hand, I think the kind thing to do is to give it to them. Plus, it bothers me that people are being micromanaged by this way.

Again, it’s not all about you.
There are millions of Catholics who don’t see it as “micromanagement” but obedience.

 

[Kendy]

YIKES!!!
This is the problem with the church today.
People know about Birth Control but don’t care (even seminarians)
People know about Birth Control but don’t think it’s important
And some have no clue about the rules of Birth Control.

OH my.
No wonder we are where we are.

We are where we are for a lot of reasons, but the women at this crisis pregancy only teach abstinence and NFP. More importantly, these women help prevent over 2,000 abortions per year. In the scriptures, that is called good fruit.