Catholic Church allowing Catholics to be Freemasons??

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I know, or rather have been told, that Freemasonry is not a religion. Didn’t know where else to place my thread at except here.

According to someone that I know (a non-Christian), the Catholic Church lifted its ban on Catholics becoming Freemasons. This was told to him by the Freemason “Lodge” that he goes to. Is this true? I have yet to find any documents online that say Catholics can join this organization. What is the Catholic Church’s stance on Freemasonry? And he compares it to the Knights of Columbus (an organization he claims is very similar to Freemasonry) that the Church instituted only to prevent Catholics from joining the Freemasons.
 
Short answer (from then Cardinal Ratzinger): Therefore the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion. Source]
 
I know, or rather have been told, that Freemasonry is not a religion. Didn’t know where else to place my thread at except here.

According to someone that I know (a non-Christian), the Catholic Church lifted its ban on Catholics becoming Freemasons. This was told to him by the Freemason “Lodge” that he goes to. Is this true? I have yet to find any documents online that say Catholics can join this organization. What is the Catholic Church’s stance on Freemasonry? And he compares it to the Knights of Columbus (an organization he claims is very similar to Freemasonry) that the Church instituted only to prevent Catholics from joining the Freemasons.
No the Chruch has not lifed the ban on becoming a freemason. If you are Catholic you can not be a freemason and remain in good standing in the Church. Your friend has been lied to by the Masons if they said that the Church lifted the ban and that there is really no difference between Masosn and KoC.
 
It is more than just mortal sin.
It incurs an excommunion I believe.

But

The vast majority of politicians, rich and even clergy are…

Well. Take a guess.
 

No need to give proof as there is no point in doing so.

Everything has its time.

Defenitely not time yet.
 

No need to give proof as there is no point in doing so.

Everything has its time.

Defenitely not time yet.
Are you always so cryptic in your answers?

Mason popularity has shrunk quite a bit, but I would be VERY surprised to find any Mason clergy.
 
You are a simple man in a complicated world indeed.

But then again most of are.

No mason clergy?

The Secretary of State is very powerful institution.

There aren’t (if there have even been any) saints there.
 
Being a mason no longer carries the excomunication. That is the source of the confusion. It does still carry a ban on the reception of comunion by a Mason. In other words, you are not prohibited from the other sacraments, only the reception of Jesus!

In the United States, the issue is two fold. First, Masonry teaches that all religions are equal. Deism is the just as valid as Islam which is just as Valid as Pantheism or Catholicism. THat is a major issue. Second, there is the swearing of oaths invoking God and severe punishments if they reveal the ceremony or the membership’s role. Both of these are trivial matters and thus the oath is a serious sin.

In some other parts of the world, including Mexico and most of mainland Europe, the Lodges are based on the French form, which has at its heart a desire to attack and destroy the Catholic Church. That is the form that caused the excomunication to be put into place
 
This is all very interesting. I doubt many modern day masons realize they are anti-catholic on the basis that they are masons.

Does anyone know if the Church has a mechanism to prevent men who are masons from entering the Church via RCIA? Do they ask men who inquire about membership in the Church if they are a member of a masonic lodge? What about men who are members but who have not been to a meeting or been involved actively for many years? Would such a man be allowed to enter the Catholic Church without denouncing his freemasonry?

I just don’t think many priests today consider this a problem. Especially in the US. Most people see the masons as just another men’s fraternal organization whose mission is charitable. There are the Shrinners hospitals and all. Why are they condemned so many years after their inception in a country, ours (the US) where there is religious freedom? A lot of Catholics (unfortunately) think that denomination doesn’t matter. Hmmm. This is an interesting thread.
 
Once upon a time a masonic Rabbi (and I"m not saying there’s an intrinsic link) said that Masonry is not a religion, as it has none of the marks of one. It has no prayers, no liturgy, no holy days, no system of morals or dogma.

Well, either he doesn’t know the meaning of words or he was using Aesopian language to be deliberately deceptive.

The first thing the “poor blind candidate” is required to do is kneel and attend Lodge prayer. There are fixed prayers for every step of Masonic ceremony. (And isn’t this a good definition of liturgy?)

The Masonic year begins on 24 June–the Nativity of St. John the Baptist. Tishri, Maunday Thursday, and Ascension (Western reckoning) are, in effect, holy days of obligation in the various rites (their word) of higher Masonry.

The main Masonic reference work is by Alfred Pike entitled MORALS AND DOGMA.

Masonry, even as practiced in the USA IS a religion.
 
This is all very interesting. I doubt many modern day masons realize they are anti-catholic on the basis that they are masons.

Does anyone know if the Church has a mechanism to prevent men who are masons from entering the Church via RCIA? Do they ask men who inquire about membership in the Church if they are a member of a masonic lodge? What about men who are members but who have not been to a meeting or been involved actively for many years? Would such a man be allowed to enter the Catholic Church without denouncing his freemasonry?

I just don’t think many priests today consider this a problem. Especially in the US. Most people see the masons as just another men’s fraternal organization whose mission is charitable. There are the Shrinners hospitals and all. Why are they condemned so many years after their inception in a country, ours (the US) where there is religious freedom? A lot of Catholics (unfortunately) think that denomination doesn’t matter. Hmmm. This is an interesting thread.
I am not sure that it is asked or even taught. Now, if it is mentioned, and he is no longer a member in good standing, no issue. If he is, the pastor has several options. He can delay reception, he can allow it as the man transitions, or he can simply make it an either or situation.

They are condemned not because of the good they do, but because of the evil they allow. First, you pledge to put fellow massons above others. Then, you have an understanding that any faith is correct and equal. Finally, only current masons vote on new members. In Alabama, there is a VERY high correlation between the Klan and Masonic membership. Further, all of the legendary segregationists down here were Masons. Sure, they help crippled children, but here they also want minorities kicked out of the neighborhoods and banned from dating whites. If the Masons were willing to clean up their act, the Church can allow for membership.

Anyway, their roles are dropping as more and more men see no value in them or do not have the time for meetings of the “He Man Women Hater’s Club” to quote Alfalfa and Spanky. Buckwheat is another story…
 
Being a mason no longer carries the excomunication. That is the source of the confusion. It does still carry a ban on the reception of comunion by a Mason. In other words, you are not prohibited from the other sacraments, only the reception of Jesus!
I am not sure that is exactly correct:

The 1917 edition of canon law stated
Can 2335: Affiliation With Masonic or Similar Societies. Those who join a Masonic sect or other societies of the same sort, which plot against the Church or against legitimate civil authority, **incur ipso facto an excommunication **simply reserved to the Holy See. (c. 2335). [p. 924.] Simply Reserved to the Holy See (4)
After the new (1983) edition of canon law was released, the question was raised and answered (Quaesitum est)
It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church’s decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.
This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.
Therefore **the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged **since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enrol in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.
I am not a canonist but if the position remains unchanged, and the original position was excommunication, I think that the current answer would be excommunication.
 
In the United States, the issue is two fold. First, Masonry teaches that all religions are equal. Deism is the just as valid as Islam which is just as Valid as Pantheism or Catholicism.
Well lets now think about where masonry started and why it started. It started in Europe after the protestand reformation. This was when Martin Luther departed from the Catholic Church and many protestant faiths were born. Now during this era there were many wars between denominations. People getting hanged because one denomination says their denomination has the right interpetation of God. A lot of unncessary hated toward fellow christians.

So you see masonry was a way initially for many christian faiths to bond together to worship God. There were no hindus, buddists, or muslims in Europe at those days. The founders of masonry never intended for them to join. They were disturbed about the hatred being committed against fellow christians and they wanted to bind them. Thats why a belief in God was thats all required.

It has only been recently that masonry has been allowing non-christians to join and taken on this “any belief in any God” is allowed nonesense. 99% of masons I know are christians and would try there best to prevent a non-christian from joining, even though that these days is not considered masonic. Many old time masons are very devout christians who could not fathom the idea of letting these other non-christian religons into their lodge.

If the founders meant for non-christians to join they wouldn’t have so many references to the old and new testament in their rituals. Just about every word in the masonic ritual can be found in the bible. I know because I read the entire bible from start to finish and I was amazed what I found.
Second, there is the swearing of oaths invoking God and severe punishments if they reveal the ceremony or the membership’s role. Both of these are trivial matters and thus the oath is a serious sin.
What is interesting about this is even these oaths can be found in the bible. Isreal made oaths to isreal and repeatedly broke them. You will find references of these penalties happening in many instances throughout the bible when characters in the bible betray God.

For example in the fellow craft the penalty for violating the obligation is to be fed to the beasts of the field and birds of the air as a prey. Lets look at the book of Ezekiel and God’s penalty for Isreal breaking his covenant.

Ezekiel 29:5" I will leave you in the desert, you and all the fish of your streams. You will fall on the open field and not be gathered or picked up. I will give you as food to the beasts of the earth and the birds of the air"

Isaiah 56:9 " God’s Accusation Against the Wicked ] Come, all you beasts of the field, come and devour, all you beasts of the forest! "

Ezekiel 32:4 “I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you.”

So this is just symbolic for masons breaking a covenant with God. Departing from him and falling into sin.
 
Well lets now think about where masonry started and why it started. It started in Europe after the protestand reformation. This was when Martin Luther departed from the Catholic Church and many protestant faiths were born. Now during this era there were many wars between denominations. People getting hanged because one denomination says their denomination has the right interpetation of God. A lot of unncessary hated toward fellow christians.
So you see masonry was a way initially for many christian faiths to bond together to worship God. There were no hindus, buddists, or muslims in Europe at those days. The founders of masonry never intended for them to join. They were disturbed about the hatred being committed against fellow christians and they wanted to bind them. Thats why a belief in God was thats all required.
 
Sublime Prince;4058362 said:
I would have to say that it is the opening of the Bible that they along with the Catholic Church have made the ban on membership.
 
If the founders meant for non-christians to join they wouldn’t have so many references to the old and new testament in their rituals. Just about every word in the masonic ritual can be found in the bible. I know because I read the entire bible from start to finish and I was amazed what I found.
“He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures” ~ 2 Peter 3:16

Just because something comes from Scripture doesn’t mean it’s being used or interpreted correctly. Catholics are either barred from Communion for joining Masons or are actually excommunicated. The Church has said we are not to join or in any way participate in Masonic organizations. Why we are not allowed doesn’t really matter at this point, does it?

Roma locuta est. Causa finita est.
 
I am not sure that is exactly correct:

The 1917 edition of canon law stated

After the new (1983) edition of canon law was released, the question was raised and answered (Quaesitum est)

I am not a canonist but if the position remains unchanged, and the original position was excommunication, I think that the current answer would be excommunication.
This was discussed on another thread a few months ago. The current teachings and laws are there.
 
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