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Daniel_Marsh
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So, Judaism and Catholicism got together to change the OT?
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Forest-Pine
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Daniel Marsh:
Judaism doesn’t have the same OT as we do. Ask them to show you in the scriptures where Hannukah is. They can’t. We can. They deleted several texts pertaining to the Messiah’s return around 1 AD, I believe.
Of course, those who don’t want to know better could argue that we added to the Torah in order to support our claims, but history (and even present-day Judaism) is in our favor here.
LOL!
Judaism doesn’t have the same OT as we do. Ask them to show you in the scriptures where Hannukah is. They can’t. We can. They deleted several texts pertaining to the Messiah’s return around 1 AD, I believe.
Of course, those who don’t want to know better could argue that we added to the Torah in order to support our claims, but history (and even present-day Judaism) is in our favor here.
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Della
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Well, the things listed by JD are not mere minor misunderstandings about the teachings of the Church but outright rebellious rejection of its teachings. Such persons ought to be corrected for the good of their souls as well as the overall health of the Church. And if they refuse to assent in faith to what the Church teaches on these vital issues they ought to be honest with themselves and everyone else and declare themselves Protestants. There might be fewer people in the pews as a result but there would be better Catholics who wouldn’t feel that speaking up for the teachings of their own Church is unwelcome and/or be persecuted for it, either.
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mikew262
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I suspect this is exactly what the “Progressive Catholics” are trying to do. They are speaking up about certain teachings of the catholic church, and maybe how some should be reviewed and possibly changed. They probably enjoy being catholic, but are concerned with the current direction of the church and it’s shrinking size. Are their opinions unwelcome and persecuted by many? You bet, and that’s sad. There is nothing wrong with challenging and questioning; Jesus did alot of that with the established Jewish authority 2000 yrs ago. If things change as a result of their efforts, so be it, if they don’t, then again, so be it.
As you stated earlier, if these folks can’t accept the church as it is and can’t institute change, then maybe becoming Prot. is the answer for them.
Again, we have strayed from the subject of this thread.
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josephdavid
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It is not that have not right to question but the refuse to accept why certain things are done with in the church. With regards to contraception, there is scripture after scripture detailing why God forbids contraception. But yet they refuse to listen.
Close minded, and un-educated opinions are just noise I am sorry to say it that harsh. Maybe I need more coffee. I wish I could put that a politer way.
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mikew262
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I suspect catholics seeking change say the same thing about catholics against change.
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josephdavid
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Perhaps. But one says contraception is understandable and acceptable in modern times. I look to word of the Lord and the CCC; it only says NO.
The list goes on. God did not say “Obey the laws until it doesnt seem fit”
The list goes on. God did not say “Obey the laws until it doesnt seem fit”
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davethecatholic
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I could not agree more! Well said!!
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mikew262
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Well how about what I said?
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asteroid
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Has the question come from someone reading books/websites about Gnostics? That sort of accusation sometimes comes from those directions.
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tjmiller
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If “the Catholic Church burned the books of the Bible and then spent centuries fabricating the Bible”, then I really have to wonder: where did all those very ancient Greek papyri and codices of the Bible come from? Where did all of those very ancient translated versions of the Bible come from: the Coptic, Syriac, African Old Latin, European Old Latin, Gothic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, etc.? Where did the Early Fathers of the Church get those Bibles from, from which they quoted so copiously in their writings? Whence did all the ancient heresies and schisms get their Bibles (which are generally the same as ours today), when they separated from the Roman Church?
Really, the ignorance and credulity of extremists seems to know no bounds. The OP proposition is so preposterous as not even to deserve consideration - sort of like someone who asserts that extraterrestrials built the pyramids. It’s hard to take seriously folks who get their history and theology out of the National
Enquirer (or from Dan Brown)…
Really, the ignorance and credulity of extremists seems to know no bounds. The OP proposition is so preposterous as not even to deserve consideration - sort of like someone who asserts that extraterrestrials built the pyramids. It’s hard to take seriously folks who get their history and theology out of the National
Enquirer (or from Dan Brown)…
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Daniel_Marsh
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Hi Forest, Jewish People see those books as profitable for reading, but not as fully inspired because those books were written after the time of the prophets. In fact, they would claim that christianity lacks the talmud. ( tongue in cheek ).
And, if you asked someone like myself about where to find the Feast of the Maccabees, we would send you to the Jewish Encylopedia online. jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=265&letter=H
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SFH
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Hmmm. And you might ask the people who say that what happened to all the ornate Vulgate Bibles and Bible covers from Medieval England during the reign of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. That’s a chapter on the Crown Jewels that they don’t teach in public school history!
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desire_the_end
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Good points were made here. What scriptures did Augustine cite, exactly? 
josephdavid:
To me, the Catholic church is rather…Revolutionary.
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Daniel_Marsh
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desire the end:
so it is a requirment that all catholics must own guns?Good points were made here. What scriptures did Augustine cite, exactly?
To me, the Catholic church is rather…Revolutionary.
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JCPhoenix
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Wow, talk about ignorance!
Well…it took about 1500 years for the Catholic Church to COMPILE the Bible. It’s now little more than 2000 years since the death/resurrection of Christ.
When, exactly, then did this alleged 560 years take place?
People who make these kind of accusations do NOT have a grip on reality or logic. Just pat them on the head, tell them “sweet dreams” and move on.
Well…it took about 1500 years for the Catholic Church to COMPILE the Bible. It’s now little more than 2000 years since the death/resurrection of Christ.
When, exactly, then did this alleged 560 years take place?
People who make these kind of accusations do NOT have a grip on reality or logic. Just pat them on the head, tell them “sweet dreams” and move on.
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BryPGuy89
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Yeah, that is rather rediculous. Such a conspiracy would not have gotten through the centuries, it would have failed. Who ever would say this, could not be a Christian though, because even the protestant churches use mostly the same books. This is just a lie and not to be taken at all seriously.
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Cockney_Clive
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This is ,more or less, a direct quote from Dan Brown - TDVC.
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copland
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I would challenge that any day! For someone to say something like that is to be totally in the dark concerning Bible manuscripts. We have the Dead Sea Scrolls which are Old Testament manuscripts that date all the way back to 250BC. It would be kind of hard for the Catholic Church to have fabricated that. And we have ancient papyrus New Testament manuscripts that go all the way back to 120AD, and also some of the great uncial Greek manuscripts like the codex Vaticanus, Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, Bezae, etc etc that are 5th century manuscript and 4th century manuscripts. We also have the Aramaic NT manuscripts, Coptic, Georgeon, etc etc that all go back to the 2nd and 3rd centries. If the Catholic Church has fabricated all these many of thousands of manuscripts then this is the greatest hoax of all time!
If someone want’s to see first hand some of these ancient ‘fabricated’ manuscripts then check this site! * alpha.reltech.org:8080/* *
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Sir_Knight
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Daniel Marsh:
It’s not a requirement to own a gun but it is a requirement to protect ourselves and others from serious harm. In MOST cases (although. obviously NOT ALL cases), that would be best accomplished with a firearm.
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