Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

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No it does not. The fact is, that not all the books of the Bible are “history”, so to speak. Some are poetry (psalms), some are collections of wise sayings, some are letters, some are parables, some are prophecies. . .

Is a poem a “FACT”?

The Bible is not “inaccurate”. READ THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH–

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. “The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.”[69]

“For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself.”[70]

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.”[71]

107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”[72]
 
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There are apparently serious questions about how the media reported what the bishops said. Trust them to get it wrong. But it shows that Muslims pay attention and use every expression of dissent to try and destroy our faith. I suggest the answering islam site to Muslims who want the real truth.
 
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cestusdei:
There are apparently serious questions about how the media reported what the bishops said. Trust them to get it wrong. But it shows that Muslims pay attention and use every expression of dissent to try and destroy our faith. I suggest the answering islam site to Muslims who want the real truth.
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Someone posts a link to a news article and hes accused of trying to destroy your faith? But when the handful of catholics on this forum post their twisted comments about Islam and Muslims, that isnt given any attention.

All ive seen on this forum for the past 2 months is nothing but post after post after post of [intentionally] twisted, distasteful, exaggerated statements about Islam and Muslims by catholic members, as if theyre subtly trying to provoke and anger the Muslims on this forum. Its hardly a place for sincere interfaith discussion anymore, more of a “bash islam” free for all.

And talk about 'Muslims pay attention and use every expression of dissent '… And catholics dont??? Why accuse another group of something which your own are guilty of?
 
Hashi Al-Eritre:
All ive seen on this forum for the past 2 months is nothing but post after post after post of [intentionally] twisted, distasteful, exaggerated statements about Islam and Muslims by catholic members, as if theyre subtly trying to provoke and anger the Muslims on this forum. Its hardly a place for sincere interfaith discussion anymore, more of a “bash islam” free for all.
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Yes, I have been shocked by the uncharitable attitudes which have been freely expressed here. Certainly such attitudes are contrary to the direction Church leadership has been taking us. And I would say they are contrary to the values that Jesus called us to embrace.
 
In my country Muslims worship and evangelize freely. If I go to many Islamic countries I risk my life for doing the same things. That is a fact. Deal with it. By not dealing with it you open yourselves to just criticism.
 
I deal with it perfectly fine, and am very happy that these Muslim countries do not allow other religions to evangilize. Call it what you want.

But I’m sure, from a Christian perspective, that if Jesus were to return tomorrow, he would not allow pagan evangilists to go proseletise their pagan beliefs to his followers. That would not be tolerated.

Further, I think many Christians are frustrated and even jealous. They are frustrated that Muslims can “come” to “their country” and proseletise, yet they can’t go to a Muslim country and do the same.

This is a good point! But the problem lies not with the Muslim country, because that country is upholding its religious beliefs. The problem is with the secular country you live in. Perhaps you should try to change that secular country and bring it back to being a true Christian country.

I am a Muslim living in American and **would love ** it if my country chose to make itself a Christian country BASED ON CHRISTIANITY. Our founding fathers came here to avoid religious persecution, but they did not intend to make a secular country where a Ten Commandments statue is banned from a courthouse but we can go play garbage music in public. And frankly, the sad reality is that it seems like a matter of time before the “One country under God” statement gets thrown to the curb and any other mention of God. This is not right and is a direct result of all the liberals in America. It would be great if America were to combine church and state, as surely, this is what Jesus would do, because he would never run a country devoid of his Lord’s teachings, and a true Christian America would be a better America and would still allow for the religious freedoms that the founding fathers wanted.
 
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I am a Muslim living in American and **would love **it if my country chose to make itself a Christian country BASED ON CHRISTIANITY. Our founding fathers came here to avoid religious persecution, but they did not intend to make a secular country where a Ten Commandments statue is banned from a courthouse but we can go play garbage music in public. And frankly, the sad reality is that it seems like a matter of time before the “One country under God” statement gets thrown to the curb and any other mention of God. This is not right and is a direct result of all the liberals in America. It would be great if America were to combine church and state, as surely, this is what Jesus would do, because he would never run a country devoid of his Lord’s teachings, and a true Christian America would be a better America and would still allow for the religious freedoms that the founding fathers wanted.
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cestusdei:
In my country Muslims worship and evangelize freely. If I go to many Islamic countries I risk my life for doing the same things. That is a fact. Deal with it. By not dealing with it you open yourselves to just criticism.
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I dont know what this has to do with anything i said. and i think jcaz’s reply suffices.

If your country was a true christian country that banned propagation of Islam, then fine, we would leave you to your religion and you leave us to ours. But obviously that is not the case. Muslims, Pagans, athiests, all kinds of faiths propagate their religion in your country because it is a secular country, not a christian country. Islam however is a very convincing religion, more so than the other faiths being propagated, thus that is why it is the fastest growing religion (and this is not me just saying this, there are christians who have written books on the ‘worrying trend’ of converts to Islam throughout the world and how to stop it).

Islamic countries rule by Islamic law (for the most part). Saudi being probably the most Islamic of them all. Obviously an Islamic country isnt going to allow propagation of other faiths, pagan or christian. However, there are other countries where the majority are Muslim yet the rule is a secular, so the government wouldnt care if christians propagated their faith their. But even if it was allowed, it is a very rare occurence to see a Muslim convert to another faith.
 
I have heard about this on the radio and other places but this is the first time I have seen the actual article and claims. This is another example of the distortion of Catholic Teaching by those who put Her down and mock Her beliefs.

What the bishops have stated is nothing new and not nearly as heretical as the headling would suggest.

It is nothing new that the Church has left it to the individual how to interpret and understand various parts of the Bible. What has been the consistent teaching of the Church is that everythingin Scripture is true in regards to our Salvation. That what is taught by the writings in Scripture is true if not literal. So while the book of Genesis may not be the historic true beginning of man, what it tells us is nevertheless the truth. So what is that? That God is the Creator of all that is seen and unseen. That we are created by God and all that we have is His gift to us.

What I find disturbing is how this will be used within the Church by people who would like to change the doctrines of the Church to suit their personal beliefs.
 
Hashi,
Conversions do happen. You don’t hear about them much. Why? Because Muslims KILL those who convert to Christianity. If your religion was so true why do you kill those who leave? But thanks for showing us how Muslims justify violating human rights using Islam. You made my point better then I could.
 
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cestusdei:
Hashi,
Conversions do happen. You don’t hear about them much. Why? Because Muslims KILL those who convert to Christianity.
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good luck proving that.
 
PLEASE remember your charity!

And let’s get back on track to the topic of this thread.

Thanks!
 
Emad said:
timesonline.co.uk/article/0,13509-1811332,00.html l

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Here are some other threads on this subject - some of them with the same title as this:​

I recommend a reading of the Bishops’ document - which does not separate statements in the Bible into true and false; although the news report could give a contrary impression.

The report in The Times is much ado about nothing.

The document, which is called

http://www.cts-online.org.uk/images/Vatican/Gift of Scripture.jpg

The Gift of Scripture

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60 pages

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ISBN 1 86082 323 8

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is available from here: cts-online.org.uk/CTS.htm
 
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