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What is the church’s current teaching on execution, participation in an execution, and even involvement on a jury which finds in favor of a execution?
The Church says they oppose the death penalty and, primarily believes that restoration and rehabilitation be the objective.What is the church’s current teaching on execution, participation in an execution, and even involvement on a jury which finds in favor of a execution?
You’re spot on according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:Contrary to popular belief, the Church does not categorically prohibit execution. The Church has always permitted execution in cases where a criminal presents a substantial risk to innocent lives and there are no other practical means to mitigate this risk. Historically, this situation has been somewhat common.
However, in modern developed societies, the ability to mitigate this risk has increased substantially. Thus, execution would not usually be considered permissible in such a society (such as within the United States).
Your question about jury participation is one that I share. Can a Catholic serve on a jury on a capital trial in a jurisdiction where the jury determines the punishment? If I were ever selected for such a trial, I would make clear on the jury questionarre that I would never vote for execution. I believe that I could serve on a jury in a jurisdiction where the jury only decided the guilt or innocence, but left the punishment up to the judge (even if it was possibly capital punishment).
The United States, i.e., the 50 States and the federal gov’t.what jurisdictions allow the jury to determine the punishment???
Is this a personal opinion or church teaching that in the current United States death penalty is usually not permissable?However, in modern developed societies, the ability to mitigate this risk has increased substantially. Thus, execution would not usually be considered permissible in such a society (such as within the United States).
Rehabilitation is one of the four objectives of punishment the Church recognizes. It is, however, like protection, only a secondary objective. The primary objective of all punishment is retributive justice:* “The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense.”* (2266)The Church says they oppose the death penalty and, primarily believes that restoration and rehabilitation be the objective.
The claim made in 2267 and EV 56 about the traditional teaching of the Church is not correct. The Church never tied the use of capital punishment to the need for protection and she never justified using executions as a means of defense against future crimes. She has always understood its use as a just punishment for the crime of (e.g.) murder. It has always been about justice, not protection.However, the Church says they recognize that there are circumstances where it may be necessary such as when society cannot be otherwise protected. However, since we have effective prisons, my feeling is that we can protect society.
I disagree, this is included in the portion of the catechism on legitimate defense which follows. If you read this section in it’s entirety it does reflect that capital punishment is permissable as it relates to the governments responsibility to defend the populace. That incarceration in modern times is normally suitable as retributive justice and to redress the disorder; only if incarceration is unavalalible to adequately defend the populace is capital punishment acceptable.Rehabilitation is one of the four objectives of punishment the Church recognizes. It is, however, like protection, only a secondary objective. The primary objective of all punishment is retributive justice:* “The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense.”* (2266)
The claim made in 2267 and EV 56 about the traditional teaching of the Church is not correct. The Church never tied the use of capital punishment to the need for protection and she never justified using executions as a means of defense against future crimes. She has always understood its use as a just punishment for the crime of (e.g.) murder. It has always been about justice, not protection.
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There is a reason the Church has never used the argument of self-defense to justify capital punishment: it doesn’t apply.I disagree, this is included in the portion of the catechism on legitimate defense which follows. If you read this section in it’s entirety it does reflect that capital punishment is permissable as it relates to the governments responsibility to defend the populace.
Incarceration in our time is less, not more, of a punishment than in previous centuries. There is no way to claim that prison today satisfies the demands of retributive justice in a way that left it unsatisfied in the past.That incarceration in modern times is normally suitable as retributive justice and to redress the disorder…
Capital punishment is acceptable only if it is a just punishment for the crime and it has always been accepted by the Church as a just punishment. That was obviously true of the past and it is equally true today.…only if incarceration is unavalalible to adequately defend the populace is capital punishment acceptable.
I dont really know exactly what to quote in what you said because I think there is so much wrong with it: yes there have been many theologians who argue against the death penalty based on self-defense and no the Church does not currently except it as a just punishment. I dont see how either of your statments could be true unless you completely disregard these two statements:There is a reason the Church has never used the argument of self-defense to justify capital punishment: it doesn’t apply.
The personal self-defender needs to be forced into performing the lethal action; the soldier, the minister of the judge, and the executioner do not. Since the latter three figures do not necessarily act on the spur of the moment and since, when not so acting, they have various means at their disposal, force (in the sense we have been discussing) cannot be the morally decisive factor. In other words, given their shared context as officers of the law, the principle of double effect as set out by Aquinas cannot apply to them. (Kevin L. Flannery S.J. Pontifical Gregorian Univ, Rome)
Incarceration in our time is less, not more, of a punishment than in previous centuries. There is no way to claim that prison today satisfies the demands of retributive justice in a way that left it unsatisfied in the past.
Capital punishment is acceptable only if it is a just punishment for the crime and it has always been accepted by the Church as a just punishment. That was obviously true of the past and it is equally true today.
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It is a bit of both. This is Church teaching, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:Is this a personal opinion or church teaching that in the current United States death penalty is usually not permissable?
The Catholic Church has not formally declared that the United States penal system is capable of “effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor” short of execution. Such a conclusion is far outside of the purview of the Church, which does not conduct inspections of prisons or render judgement on their effectiveness.2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
“only” is not meant as “only way conceivable that offers protaction”. An alternative always conceivable would be to have the judge tell the criminal, that what he did was realy bad and that he should not do it again and then let him lose. I am fairly confident that with this protection method of appealing to the conscience of the murderer, society would be protected efficiently from 10-50% of murderers.The Church permits execution if it is the ONLY way. Not the “best” way, or the “cheapest” way, or the “popular” way.
There is always the chance of a prisoner escaping or a pardon commission fumbling. Who is to decide whether this chance is low enough to meet the sufficient criteria?Every jurisdiction in the United States is perfectly capable of locking up an offender for life. Thus, any jurisdiction in the United States should never be permitted to consider execution.
There may well be theologians who make that argument. My point is that that argument is invalid for the reason I pointed out. Killing in self defense is allowed because what is intended is defense, not killing. It is an example of an action with a double effect: the intended good one and the unintended bad one. The reason this principle cannot apply to an execution is in that case the death is intended, not unintended.there have been many theologians who argue against the death penalty based on self-defense
This claim cannot be true because the justness of the punishment is determined by the nature of the crime and the nature of the crime of murder has not - and cannot - change. If death was a just punishment for murder in earlier centuries then it is an equally just punishment today.and no the Church does not currently except it as a just punishment.
I haven’t disregarded those statements but I do disagree with them and given that they are prudential opinions and not new doctrines I am justified in doing so. It should be apparent that estimations of the capabilities of modern penal systems could never be a doctrine. Such estimates cannot be sustained by any theological argument but would have to be supported by referencing criminal justice statistics. That is, the claim is sociological, not theological.I dont see how either of your statments could be true unless you completely disregard these two statements:
I have never heard an attempt by anyone to justify this claim. It is precisely because of man’s dignity that the crime of murder is so heinous and the penalty so severe. It is not the dignity of the murderer that protects his life, it is the dignity of the victim that causes him to forfeit it.public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.’"
I disagree. This is a prudential opinion, not Church doctrine.It is a bit of both. This is Church teaching, from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Exactly. This is clearly a prudential opinion, not a doctrinal teaching.The Catholic Church has not formally declared that the United States penal system is capable of “effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor” short of execution. Such a conclusion is far outside of the purview of the Church, which does not conduct inspections of prisons or render judgement on their effectiveness.
For 2000 years the Church has taught that death is a just punishment for (at least) the crime of murder. That teaching has not changed.The Church permits execution if it is the ONLY way.
This claim is commonly made but never substantiated. In fact people have been held in lifetime imprisonment since the time of the Romans.Until fairly recently, there were no such things as long-term prisons in human society. There were jails, in which people were confined until judgement could be rendered (and we have these today). But there was usually no such thing as long-term (or lifelong) incarceration in confined, guarded areas which offer security and protection to the general public.
Not so; we are surely permitted to consider executions.Thus, any jurisdiction in the United States should never be permitted to consider execution.
Before you would be selected to sit on a jury for a capital offense you will be asked if your religious beliefs will prevent you from rendering a death penalty.Your question about jury participation is one that I share. Can a Catholic serve on a jury on a capital trial in a jurisdiction where the jury determines the punishment? If I were ever selected for such a trial, I would make clear on the jury questionarre that I would never vote for execution. I believe that I could serve on a jury in a jurisdiction where the jury only decided the guilt or innocence, but left the punishment up to the judge (even if it was possibly capital punishment).
I am interested in this topic and would like to know what are you basing your statement regarding the Church not considering capital punishment as a deterrent but rather as an instrument of justice. Can you please provide something I can read on this? Thanks.…
The claim made in 2267 and EV 56 about the traditional teaching of the Church is not correct. The Church never tied the use of capital punishment to the need for protection and she never justified using executions as a means of defense against future crimes. She has always understood its use as a just punishment for the crime of (e.g.) murder. It has always been about justice, not protection.
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I just wanted to comment that this is an extremely important topic, and one in which most Catholics are either extremely ignorant of the teachings in the Catechism or simply have chosen to disregard the Catechism (to justify their own views).What is the church’s current teaching on execution, participation in an execution, and even involvement on a jury which finds in favor of a execution?
Agreed. I didn’t say anything about capital punishment being related to self-defense.There is a reason the Church has never used the argument of self-defense to justify capital punishment: it doesn’t apply.
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