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Shakuhachi
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It’s getting to be that way.
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BenSinner
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I found some more info about Phillip St. Romain’s ‘means’ of reaching “awakening”. Is this a proper form of prayer in Catholic Mysticism?
To those who are still skeptical, I suggest examining the writings of Philip St. Romain, who wrote a book about his journey into contemplative prayer called Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality.
Having rejected mental prayer as "unproductive,"1 he embraced the prayer form that switches off the mind, creating what he described as a mental passivity. What he encountered next underscores my concern with sobering clarity:
https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/lighthousetrails/09/5-yungen-mysticism.htm
To those who are still skeptical, I suggest examining the writings of Philip St. Romain, who wrote a book about his journey into contemplative prayer called Kundalini Energy and Christian Spirituality.
Having rejected mental prayer as "unproductive,"1 he embraced the prayer form that switches off the mind, creating what he described as a mental passivity. What he encountered next underscores my concern with sobering clarity:
https://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/lighthousetrails/09/5-yungen-mysticism.htm
Tis_Bearself
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Seriously, what do you think?I found some more info about Phillip St. Romain’s ‘means’ of reaching “awakening”. Is this a proper form of prayer in Catholic Mysticism?
This Phillip St. Romain is some nut on the internet yammering about “kundalini”, which is not a Christian concept.
Why are you still bothering with this stuff?
Go read The Interior Castle or something useful.
By the way, lighthousetrails is a generally anti-catholic website.
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Francis
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c3a1.htm
III. CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER
2709 What is contemplative prayer? St. Teresa answers: "Contemplative prayer [oracion mental] in my opinion is nothing else than a close sharing between friends; it means taking time frequently to be alone with him who we know loves us."6 Contemplative prayer seeks him "whom my soul loves."7 It is Jesus, and in him, the Father. We seek him, because to desire him is always the beginning of love, and we seek him in that pure faith which causes us to be born of him and to live in him. In this inner prayer we can still meditate, but our attention is fixed on the Lord himself.
2710 The choice of the time and duration of the prayer arises from a determined will, revealing the secrets of the heart. One does not undertake contemplative prayer only when one has the time: one makes time for the Lord, with the firm determination not to give up, no matter what trials and dryness one may encounter. One cannot always meditate, but one can always enter into inner prayer, independently of the conditions of health, work, or emotional state. The heart is the place of this quest and encounter, in poverty ant in faith.
2711 Entering into contemplative prayer is like entering into the Eucharistic liturgy: we “gather up:” the heart, recollect our whole being under the prompting of the Holy Spirit, abide in the dwelling place of the Lord which we are, awaken our faith in order to enter into the presence of him who awaits us. We let our masks fall and turn our hearts back to the Lord who loves us, so as to hand ourselves over to him as an offering to be purified and transformed.
2712 Contemplative prayer is the prayer of the child of God, of the forgiven sinner who agrees to welcome the love by which he is loved and who wants to respond to it by loving even more.8 But he knows that the love he is returning is poured out by the Spirit in his heart, for everything is grace from God. Contemplative prayer is the poor and humble surrender to the loving will of the Father in ever deeper union with his beloved Son.
2713 Contemplative prayer is the simplest expression of the mystery of prayer. It is a gift, a grace; it can be accepted only in humility and poverty. Contemplative prayer is a covenant relationship established by God within our hearts.9 Contemplative prayer is a communion in which the Holy Trinity conforms man, the image of God, “to his likeness.”
Read on…
III. CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER
2709 What is contemplative prayer? St. Teresa answers: "Contemplative prayer [oracion mental] in my opinion is nothing else than a close sharing between friends; it means taking time frequently to be alone with him who we know loves us."6 Contemplative prayer seeks him "whom my soul loves."7 It is Jesus, and in him, the Father. We seek him, because to desire him is always the beginning of love, and we seek him in that pure faith which causes us to be born of him and to live in him. In this inner prayer we can still meditate, but our attention is fixed on the Lord himself.
2710 The choice of the time and duration of the prayer arises from a determined will, revealing the secrets of the heart. One does not undertake contemplative prayer only when one has the time: one makes time for the Lord, with the firm determination not to give up, no matter what trials and dryness one may encounter. One cannot always meditate, but one can always enter into inner prayer, independently of the conditions of health, work, or emotional state. The heart is the place of this quest and encounter, in poverty ant in faith.
2711 Entering into contemplative prayer is like entering into the Eucharistic liturgy: we “gather up:” the heart, recollect our whole being under the prompting of the Holy Spirit, abide in the dwelling place of the Lord which we are, awaken our faith in order to enter into the presence of him who awaits us. We let our masks fall and turn our hearts back to the Lord who loves us, so as to hand ourselves over to him as an offering to be purified and transformed.
2712 Contemplative prayer is the prayer of the child of God, of the forgiven sinner who agrees to welcome the love by which he is loved and who wants to respond to it by loving even more.8 But he knows that the love he is returning is poured out by the Spirit in his heart, for everything is grace from God. Contemplative prayer is the poor and humble surrender to the loving will of the Father in ever deeper union with his beloved Son.
2713 Contemplative prayer is the simplest expression of the mystery of prayer. It is a gift, a grace; it can be accepted only in humility and poverty. Contemplative prayer is a covenant relationship established by God within our hearts.9 Contemplative prayer is a communion in which the Holy Trinity conforms man, the image of God, “to his likeness.”
Read on…
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Shakuhachi
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I wish someone would have told me a long time ago that I am more than this physical body and mind that I identify with. I think that has been the main benefit of my Catholic Contemplative Prayer. As Colossians 3:3 states, our life is “hidden with Christ in God.” We need to enter into that interior hiddeness. But we tend to fear this silence and seeming void. Our small superficially active thinking shrinks from it or dislikes it. We confuse the silence with mental incapacity and the void with non-existence. But this silence is the silence of the spirit which is the condition of a greater closeness to Christ, and this emptiness is the emptying of the cup of our surface self, so that it may be filled with the wine of God. So even when our thoughts turn towards cessation, it is a cessation not in mental void or non-existence but into some vast ineffable relationship in Christ…
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Kei
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This gives me good reason to know that you shouldn’t worry about it. Mental prayer is very important. It is FAAAAR from unproductive.Having rejected mental prayer as "unproductive,
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Benadam
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How could it have been contemplative prayer? Contemplative prayer is when God joins your prayer. God joins your prayer reaches down and lifts you up to Him.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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Exorcism prayer is only for priests to use, not lay peopleIt could be preternatural. I would advise praying excorcism prayers privately, discourage any resolve to peruse these natural ecstasies, and encourage vocal recitation of the Rosary.
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Shakuhachi
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That’s a good description.
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Benadam
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Thank you Shakuhachi. Happy Easter!
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curious_cath
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Could you explain, please, what you mean by kundalini awakening? I believe the idea of kundalini is coming from Buddhism. But I might be wrong.
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TechieGuy
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Whatever else humans are, we are also bags of flesh with associated mental states that are mediated by our brain and body chemistry.
Contemplative prayer, like mediation, can cause the brain to ‘relax’ into patterns that are not typically experienced in day-to-day life.
This, in turn, can sometimes cause the body to react in ways that are not typically experienced in day-to-day life.
Nothing to be overly concerned with in any event.
Contemplative prayer, like mediation, can cause the brain to ‘relax’ into patterns that are not typically experienced in day-to-day life.
This, in turn, can sometimes cause the body to react in ways that are not typically experienced in day-to-day life.
Nothing to be overly concerned with in any event.
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Shakuhachi
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TechieGuy makes a good point. Are we going to be afraid to relax and pray because something unusual might happen? It is all in God’s hands. That is why surrender is so important. Surrender and faith.
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Shakuhachi
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We become transparent. We are still here but emptied of all our distractions, all that might cloud the light of God shining through us. I think that is part of what Jesus meant when He talked about dying to self. Wen we can let go of our psychological junk in prayer we get better at being selfless in our daily lives.How could it have been contemplative prayer? Contemplative prayer is when God joins your prayer. God joins your prayer reaches down and lifts you up to Him.
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