Catholic convert to Orthodox Church and ordained priest

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I’m curious about a theoretical question that I nearly did 3 years ago. I felt/feel called to the priesthood, but can’t because I’m Latin Rite Catholic. I left the Church but did not formally defect. During my conversion or reversion I was studying Orthodoxy and ultimately decided to remain Catholic. My wife is not interested in the eastern Church. Without getting into detail why I chose so that I can peacefully invite Orthodox and Catholics, what would happen if a married man became an Orthodox priest and then later in his life converted back. Has this happened before where the man remained a priest.

BTW: No, I’m not going to do this. What I’m wondering is that if a Catholic doesn’t get married in a Catholic Church the marriage is not valid. What about the other sacraments, and why? I’ll explain more if necessary. But I know there are some pretty intelligent people out there that probably understand my question.

Thanks.
 
there are married Catholic priests who were priests in other denominations and were allowed to continue as priests as Catholics. former Anglican priests are examples.

as for validity, if you were married in another Church, you would need to have your marriage convalidated in the Catholic Church

as for the other sacraments, no, we cannot receive sacraments outside of the Catholic Church. we may receive sacraments from the Orthodox Church but only in cases of absolute necessity, such as emergency situations, or we are physically unable to go to a Catholic Church but there is an accessible Orthodox Church. even so we can only have the Eucharist and Confession, i heard. Marriage, of course they’ll only allow you to be married there if you are marrying an Orthodox. they will not Baptize or Confirm you, unless of course its an emergency baptism, but in that case you wouldn’t be a Catholic either. Holy Orders, only if you have joined their church fully and of course you would have to go to training/education to become a priest. they will probably do anointing of the sick for you if necessary, and again its allowed in the Catholic Church if you cannot access a Catholic priest soon enough
 
A Catholic who leaves the Church and joins the Orthodox Church commits an act of schism. Such a person incurs latae sententiae excommunication.

A person who subsequently receives Holy Orders in the Orthodox Church has received valid, but illicit Orders.

Upon return to the Catholic Church, this person would be required to go through the process of having the excommunication lifted.

At that point, it would be likely that this person would be denied the exercise of priestly faculties. Although validly ordained and therefore a priest forever, the Church can supress their faculties and therefore they would not be able to validly administer the Sacraments except in the case of emergency (viaticum).

I don’t know of any case where this has occurred, so I am speculating on what would happen. It seems logical.
 
Aha! My speculation is correct.

Can. 1042 The following are simply impeded from receiving orders:

1/ a man who has a wife, unless he is legitimately destined to the permanent diaconate;

Canon 1044 §2. The following are impeded from the exercise of orders:

1/ a person who has received orders illegitimately while prevented by an impediment from receiving them;
 
there are married Catholic priests who were priests in other denominations and were allowed to continue as priests as Catholics. former Anglican priests are examples.
Not exactly. Those who exercised a clerical role in the Anglican Communion are not priests, properly speaking, because they lack valid Holy Orders.

John Paul II created a pastoral provision that dispenses from the impediment to Holy Orders that marriage presents. These men then become *candidates *for ordination if they desire to pursue it.

They do not “continue” as priests. They now have the *possibility *to become priests. They must go through formation, and be evaluated for suitability to the priesthood. The bishop can then choose to ordain them. Only then do they validly have Holy Orders.

However, the pastoral provision for a married non-Catholic to receive Holy Orders does not apply to a Catholic and doesn’t apply to the question the OP asked.
 
thanks for elaborating

i didn’t mean that all are received instantly into the Priesthood after conversion
just that there were cases of those who converted and were received into Priesthood
 
1ke, thanks. That’s what I assumed as well. I’m kind of a puzzle man. I like to solve puzzles and this seemed like one. I assumed that a defected Catholic that becomes Orthodox and ultimately receives the sacrament of Holy Orders in the Orthodox Church, even if a deacon, would not be allowed to act as one in the Catholic Church without the permission of the Vatican, as apposed to the bishop. But maybe there is more to this. So in essence I was very relieved back when I came back home that I never went down that path, even though it was with the right intentions.

Sometimes it seems that the Vatican has leaned over backwards to much to prevent decent able married men from becoming priests without good enough reason. But then again, who am I do argue with the bishops.
 
It does seem unfair to me;

“Schismatic? Sure! Remain a married priest.”

“Heretic? Sure! Become a married priest.”

“Eastern Catholic? Not in the US, but anywhere else is okay!”

“Latin? Well, here are your options: Schism, and commit a horrid sin. Apostasize, and not be an actual priest anyway. Convert to an Eastern Rite, but they won’t ordain people trying to sneak around the celibacy rule. So, you can either a) accept the anti-patristic discipline of universal clerical celibacy, or b) reject your call to the priesthood.”

You also say, “Who am I to argue with the bishops?” You’re a human being with reason and a conscience. Arguing for married men to be eligible for Holy Orders in the Latin Rite is not dissent. Arguing for practicing homosexuals or women to be eligible for Holy Orders is dissent, but arguing for married men is not. Pope Adrian II was married at the time of his election. Pope St. Hermisdas and Pope St. Silverius were a father/son pair, although it seems that Pope St. Hermisdas entered the priesthood after being widowed.

I do not know all the workings of God. His ways are not my ways and his thoughts are not my thoughts. I am certain that he calls married men in Orthodox Christianity to the priesthood. I am certain he calls married men in Eastern Catholicism to the priesthood. I am certain he also calls men to the priesthood in the Eastern churches whom he also calls to be celibate. Likewise, I am sure that there are many that he calls to be celibate priests in the Latin church. However, when a man discerns that he has the vocation to marriage and to the priesthood, but he is married, I do not know if God is calling him. Why would God call him against the rules of the leaders of the church? Are the church leaders disobeying God in failing to remove the celibacy requirement for the Latin Rite? Or, are the men misguided and not truly called to one of the vocations?

I do not know the answer to that question. I know of one Latin rite seminarian who discerned a vocation for marriage and became Orthodox. He is the pastor of a local OCA parish, and his brother is a (married) permanent deacon at local Catholic parish. I cannot imagine that God would call him to schism. However, I have known people who were utterly spiritually dead as poorly-practicing Catholics, who, upon their embrace of heresy, became exemplary Christians (except for the heresy part).

However, in answer to the question, the above posters did a pretty good job with the canon law. If the OCA priest I mentioned above decided to revert to Catholicism, I suspect that he would not retain priestly faculties simply because of his age (he is, I think, in his seventies). If he were 20 years younger, and 30 years removed from his schism, I honestly suspect that he would probably have been granted faculties as an Eastern Rite priest, although others more familiar with church politics could elucidate this more easily.
 
From what I understand of the Ordinariates to be established for former Anglican priests who are married, yes they can if the Church so approves them becoming a Catholic priest.

But if they were at one time a Catholic priest and left and became an Anglican priest and married and then decided to become part of the Ordinariate, they will be denied ordination as a Catholic priest.

As far as a layman who was Catholic and became an Anglican priest, I am not sure if that has been resolved. I believe I have heard that this question came up that a Catholic might just join an Anglican church, marry and become a priest and attempt to be ordained as a Catholic priest. His intention was that he wanted to be a Catholic priest and chose a devious route to obtain ordination. This would not be acceptable, so it would probably be the same for someone to become Orthodox with the same intention.

Just my spin on it.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
Very interesting responses, and might I add most respectful. Thank you for being respectful in your elaborations. Like I said, currently I am seeking the diaconate. When I last talked to the ladies in charge of the diaconate program, which I find very strange for both to be elderly women, one told me that she was concerned more about me feeling called to the priesthood compared to having left the Church and returned. Though I understand their concern I told her that since I really didn’t understand the diaconate at the time I first wrote her I believe it was the diaconate I feel most called to because of the preaching and serving. Now I’m doubtful they’ll ever allow me to become a deacon simply because of my lack of catechesis at the time I told her, which was right after I reverted. I’ve always felt called to the diaconate, me entire life. I assumed it was the priesthood because I do feel called and since I didn’t know what a deacon was in my youth there were no other options.

Further, after leaving the seminary I never met any faithful practicing Catholic women in my age group that even attracted my attention. The ones I thought were faithful are no longer practicing Catholics. I assumed because of the non-existence of them that I must be called to the priesthood and told God many years ago that since He has not presented a faithful practicing Catholic woman that I will assume its the priesthood He is calling me to. That’s when I literally had a vision of my now wife, before I even met her. Talk about confusing me. God clearly called me to marry her. No one can convince me otherwise. The problem with it is that my faith in the Catholic Church leaders was seriously waivering because of the abuse scandals I personally knew about in the late 70’s and early 80’s. My wife’s family and congregation preacher quickly threw stumbling blocks that fit my previous Protestant beliefs. Long story. But then after I realized God was calling me to marry her I went to a priest to talk about it and his reaction was very harsh, maybe understandable as well. He told me that I’d have to obtain 3 dispensations. The 3rd was not my intention, but I knew my wife’s beliefs would most likely be an impediment for her parents to allow her to marry me. Long story short I left that office disbelieving these issues were still that practiced, since I was subjected to many dissenters growing up that told me the Church no longer taught this. I realized I had probably learned a bunch of lies as my faith. I realized/believed that in my conscience I was not Catholic at all. And because of my weak family structure I had no support system during a time I felt like I needed it most. Long story.

My fault was fill with a painful dissent because I didn’t know who to trust. So I went back to square one. I went to my wife’s church because they taught what I had always believed. What I discovered later on after moving down to San Antonio near my mom I discovered that the church I used to visit often was the same denomination as my wife. They also claim to be the one true church. Many times in my practicing their faith, I realized that they also had many problems and eventually I found myself trapped. Once I nearly drove off out of town to abandon my wife because I couldn’t explain how I felt called. I chose to stay so that my wife wouldn’t lose any possibility of converting one day should we discover together that the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church were really the one true Church founded by Christ. I felt betrayed by her, her family and her church. I felt that they were guilty of diceiving me similar how I felt betrayed by the Catholic Church. Of course many years later I figured it out and converted back to being Catholic. My wife’s experience at the same time converted her to the Catholic Church. She loves the Saints. And now our relationship, though difficult at times because of anxiety issues, is wonderful in comparison to our once stick it out no matter what, which we will continue to do because that was part of our church of Christ faith.

I’ve shared this with several priest to date and all of them have helped me understand this in a peaceful way, no judgments passed. Most of them understood and a few even said “I don’t blame you” or “no wonder you had such difficulty”.
 
I’m curious about a theoretical question that I nearly did 3 years ago. I felt/feel called to the priesthood, but can’t because I’m Latin Rite Catholic. I left the Church but did not formally defect. During my conversion or reversion I was studying Orthodoxy and ultimately decided to remain Catholic. My wife is not interested in the eastern Church. Without getting into detail why I chose so that I can peacefully invite Orthodox and Catholics, what would happen if a married man became an Orthodox priest and then later in his life converted back. Has this happened before where the man remained a priest.

BTW: No, I’m not going to do this. What I’m wondering is that if a Catholic doesn’t get married in a Catholic Church the marriage is not valid. What about the other sacraments, and why? I’ll explain more if necessary. But I know there are some pretty intelligent people out there that probably understand my question.

Thanks.
It would be viewed by the Church as cheating the disciple of celibacy in the Latin Church and upon your return to the Catholic Church (any of the sui juris Churches within the Catholic communion) you would most likely not be able to function as a priest.
 
Very interesting responses, and might I add most respectful. Thank you for being respectful in your elaborations. Like I said, currently I am seeking the diaconate. When I last talked to the ladies in charge of the diaconate program, which I find very strange for both to be elderly women, one told me that she was concerned more about me feeling called to the priesthood compared to having left the Church and returned. Though I understand their concern I told her that since I really didn’t understand the diaconate at the time I first wrote her I believe it was the diaconate I feel most called to because of the preaching and serving. Now I’m doubtful they’ll ever allow me to become a deacon simply because of my lack of catechesis at the time I told her, which was right after I reverted. I’ve always felt called to the diaconate, me entire life. I assumed it was the priesthood because I do feel called and since I didn’t know what a deacon was in my youth there were no other options.

Further, after leaving the seminary I never met any faithful practicing Catholic women in my age group that even attracted my attention. The ones I thought were faithful are no longer practicing Catholics. I assumed because of the non-existence of them that I must be called to the priesthood and told God many years ago that since He has not presented a faithful practicing Catholic woman that I will assume its the priesthood He is calling me to. That’s when I literally had a vision of my now wife, before I even met her. Talk about confusing me. God clearly called me to marry her. No one can convince me otherwise. The problem with it is that my faith in the Catholic Church leaders was seriously waivering because of the abuse scandals I personally knew about in the late 70’s and early 80’s. My wife’s family and congregation preacher quickly threw stumbling blocks that fit my previous Protestant beliefs. Long story. But then after I realized God was calling me to marry her I went to a priest to talk about it and his reaction was very harsh, maybe understandable as well. He told me that I’d have to obtain 3 dispensations. The 3rd was not my intention, but I knew my wife’s beliefs would most likely be an impediment for her parents to allow her to marry me. Long story short I left that office disbelieving these issues were still that practiced, since I was subjected to many dissenters growing up that told me the Church no longer taught this. I realized I had probably learned a bunch of lies as my faith. I realized/believed that in my conscience I was not Catholic at all. And because of my weak family structure I had no support system during a time I felt like I needed it most. Long story.

My fault was fill with a painful dissent because I didn’t know who to trust. So I went back to square one. I went to my wife’s church because they taught what I had always believed. What I discovered later on after moving down to San Antonio near my mom I discovered that the church I used to visit often was the same denomination as my wife. They also claim to be the one true church. Many times in my practicing their faith, I realized that they also had many problems and eventually I found myself trapped. Once I nearly drove off out of town to abandon my wife because I couldn’t explain how I felt called. I chose to stay so that my wife wouldn’t lose any possibility of converting one day should we discover together that the Catholic Church or Orthodox Church were really the one true Church founded by Christ. I felt betrayed by her, her family and her church. I felt that they were guilty of diceiving me similar how I felt betrayed by the Catholic Church. Of course many years later I figured it out and converted back to being Catholic. My wife’s experience at the same time converted her to the Catholic Church. She loves the Saints. And now our relationship, though difficult at times because of anxiety issues, is wonderful in comparison to our once stick it out no matter what, which we will continue to do because that was part of our church of Christ faith.

I’ve shared this with several priest to date and all of them have helped me understand this in a peaceful way, no judgments passed. Most of them understood and a few even said “I don’t blame you” or “no wonder you had such difficulty”.
You might be allowed to become a deacon. I have no idea what the rules are. You should find a spiritual advisor and speak to him about your desires. I am sure that there must be men who have left the church and returned and are now deacons. The circumstances are not the same, in my opinion.

God bless you in your walk with Christ.

Bernadette
 
You might be allowed to become a deacon. I have no idea what the rules are. You should find a spiritual advisor and speak to him about your desires. I am sure that there must be men who have left the church and returned and are now deacons. The circumstances are not the same, in my opinion.

God bless you in your walk with Christ.

Bernadette
The diaconate is a calling that is separate from the priesthood. If one feels called to the priesthood but can not be ordained due to circumstances then the diaconate is not the answer.

One should feel called to be a deacon. A deacon is not a junior priest.

But again, a man who has left the Church to be ordained will most likely be viewed as doing so to get around Catholic disciple and would not be allowed to function in the Catholic Church due to this disobedience.
 
Very interesting responses, and might I add most respectful. Thank you for being respectful in your elaborations. Like I said, currently I am seeking the diaconate. When I last talked to the ladies in charge of the diaconate program, which I find very strange for both to be elderly women, one told me that she was concerned more about me feeling called to the priesthood compared to having left the Church and returned. Though I understand their concern I told her that since I really didn’t understand the diaconate at the time I first wrote her I believe it was the diaconate I feel most called to because of the preaching and serving. Now I’m doubtful they’ll ever allow me to become a deacon simply because of my lack of catechesis at the time I told her, which was right after I reverted. I’ve always felt called to the diaconate, me entire life. I assumed it was the priesthood because I do feel called and since I didn’t know what a deacon was in my youth there were no other options.
These ladies do not have the authority to deny Holy Orders to you. Only the Bishop can do that. There may be lay people involved in the *administration *of the diaconate program, but utlimately there is a priest in charge somewhere, and beyond that the Bishop. The ladies do not have the authority here.

If you authentically feel called to the diaconate, and these ladies attempt to block your admittance into the diaconate program, you need to go see the Vicar General or the Director of Vocations for your diocese.
 
The diaconate is a calling that is separate from the priesthood. If one feels called to the priesthood but can not be ordained due to circumstances then the diaconate is not the answer.

One should feel called to be a deacon. A deacon is not a junior priest.

But again, a man who has left the Church to be ordained will most likely be viewed as doing so to get around Catholic disciple and would not be allowed to function in the Catholic Church due to this disobedience.
I was responding to his comment about becoming a deacon. Since I don’t know how the rules apply opposed to becoming a priest, I just suggested he find a spiritual advisor to answer his questions or refer him to someone who can.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
Okay, back off guys. This is only theoretical. I’m not even thinking about doing this. I was curious that had I made the mistake of converting from the Church of Christ to one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches and then realized that I made a mistake when I discovered the the main thing holding me back from converting back to Catholicism was papal authority. I am Catholic to the bone now and realized after discerning it. I returned initially because I knew that it was either Catholic or Orthodox and one of them must have been wrong. Which one turned out to be wrong? Stay tuned to next time…

Okay corny, I know.

The ladies are the ones that screen candidates. I’ve been discerning only the diaconate now for real for 3 years before entering formation. My current life situation with young children and illness, not to mention new careers in teaching made me wait this formation. Next formation if I continue to feel the calling I expect I’ll go through the process again. God willing I’ll be in formation in another 6 years. The program lasts 4.5 years. But the pre-formation takes 2, which we’re in now. I do NOT plan to try to become a priest unless I feel called in the future and am in the correct state to even think about it. This would be similar to discerning marriage, though I’m currently in a marriage. I do NOT wish to argue with a beautiful vocation to the priesthood limited only to celibate men. I have friends who are priests and if the Church ever lifts the requirements I hope it does so very slowly for the sake of our current priests.

My wife is likely to outlive me by 30 years. Married life is very difficult when one is a pastor. We know because we have some pastors in the family, Protestants. My issue with current celibate priests is the fact that far to many of them treat their vocation almost like a job rather than as a real pastor should. According to Pope Benedict XVI, if they acted more like fathers to the flock then the scandals would not be an issue today. As much as I love the Holy Father, I believe that the problem is the lack of formation among the priests and far too many people with agendas not in line with Church teaching. The problem includes at least some lay “leaders”, priests and bishops. The secrecy of what happened to me and what I witnessed is what chased me off running from the deadly sins covered up back then. I was concerned for my own soul similar to the capture Joseph, son of Jacob. Exposing this in may ways was the best thing that could have happened for us all. The Church is going through a purification - purification of evil lurking in the darkness. I see the Pope making moves slowly back to orthodoxy within the ranks. Releasing the ban of the Tridintine Latin Mass is just the beginning. The “spirit of Vatican Council II” has been largely misleading; I believe intentionally by dissenters. I wish my father were alive today to see me back in the Catholic Church and once again discerning a calling to the ordain life as a deacon this time. I wish my father would have followed through with joining an order after we were grown.
 
These ladies do not have the authority to deny Holy Orders to you. Only the Bishop can do that. There may be lay people involved in the *administration *of the diaconate program, but utlimately there is a priest in charge somewhere, and beyond that the Bishop. The ladies do not have the authority here.

If you authentically feel called to the diaconate, and these ladies attempt to block your admittance into the diaconate program, you need to go see the Vicar General or the Director of Vocations for your diocese.
You are correct that only the bishop has the authority but many bishops set up committies to interview the candidates for both priesthood and diaconate. The committe then advises the bishop.

So in essence, it is a delagation of authority but with the bishop having the final say.

So yes, these ladies may have the power to stop one from entering the program.
 
You are correct that only the bishop has the authority but many bishops set up committies to interview the candidates for both priesthood and diaconate. The committe then advises the bishop.

So in essence, it is a delagation of authority but with the bishop having the final say.

So yes, these ladies may have the power to stop one from entering the program.
yep, you hit the hail on the head. The lead lady was very rude to me and my wife when we first entered the building. I had no idea who they were. But she treated me like I was some kind of idiot and then said something rude to my wife. It was very unorthodox and very strange after we discovered who she was. I complained about it to my pastor on a personal level and he did something dumb by sending the email intended for his eyes only up to a friend that ultimately passed that same message back to the ladies who stepped up my interview above everyone else. I ended up with several issues that kept me from meeting with them. I was working a bunch of overtime and had to take care of sick children, which is why I quit my job and passed on the diaconate until the next formation. My hope is that these ladies will either be in nursing homes ore retire…most of the men are disappointed in who is running the show, these ladies. We thought a priest or deacon would be over it but turns out its not them. So I’m discouraged but trusting in God.
 
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