Catholic converts to Orthodox

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Whatever the case we can confirm both practices and doctrine changed.
 
Like @dochawk said, try looking for an Eastern Catholic Church in your area. Same liturgy and theology. Now, I’m no expert, and there are others on this forum that know more, but I don’t think that the Catholic Church sees the Orthodox Church as outside the Church. We see the Orthodox as sister Churches with valid Sacraments and salvation is also found within the Orthodox Church. We are in a partial communion with each other.

If I am wrong I’m sure someone will correct me 😂

ZP
 
ziapueblo said:
I don’t think that the Catholic Church sees the Orthodox Church as outside the Church. We see the Orthodox as sister Churches with valid Sacraments and salvation is also found within the Orthodox Church. We are in a partial communion with each other.
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You are correct. But the Orthodox look at the Catholic Church differently than the Catholics see the Orthodox.
 
As +Benedict put it, something like “Communion requires nothing more than the restoration of Communion”

hawk
 
That’s false. It requires the repudiation of any false and heretical propositions and the very fact of continuing in schism.
 
Don’t tell me that; tell the pope that you’re contradicting . . . your use of “heretical” and “schism” with regard to the Orthodox are directly contradicting RCC instruction and teaching.

hawk
 
pacloc said:
As a Catholic, I seriously began to question the whole null marriage thing, long before we decided to become Orthodox. The grounds by which you could declare a marriage null were common to every marriage I’ve ever seen.
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I have the same problem. Divorce seems to be a more honest approach. Even Cardinal Kasper has said something similar.
 
dochawk said:
Eastern Catholics have the same liturgy and theology as the Orthodox.
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It is similar, but is it exactly the same? I thought that there were a few differences at least if you are speaking of the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church.
 
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Oh, ours (the Pittsburgh metropolia formerly known as Ruthenian) did many things a few years ago :roll_eyes: that are still causing aftershocks in various degrees of charity (to describe it charitably). (yeah, we’re a bad example . . .)

Generally, the only difference should be the hierarchical commemoration. In Orthodoxy, the priest commemorates the bishop, the bishop the metropolitan, and the metropolitan the patriarch, while in orthodoxy the priest commemorates bishop, metropolitan, patriarch, and pope.

Aside from that, any difference probably means that the EC Church is “doing it wrong ™” . . .

Current instructions are actually to attempt to work with the corresponding Orthodox church to achieve the same translation/praxis, although I’m not aware of any cases of this actually happing.

hawk
 
They don’t have any theological reason to convert. The West was historically always on the right side of issues, like iconoclasm and the Arian controversy. It also has Petrine primacy. Matthew 18:18-19 establishes that. Muh keys. Their only argument is St. Cyprian, and St. Cyprian recanted of his views. Here’s a good article on it. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/will-the-real-st-cyprian-please-stand
The only reason that most people become Orthodox is muh tradition. In which case,
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dochawk said:
Eastern Catholics have the same liturgy and theology as the Orthodox. Look for one in your area (masstimes will probably list it).
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There are none nearby. Either way, we’re done parish shopping. Our daughter gets a little confused already when we go to Mass at multiple parishes. We used to attend a parish we loved but it was a long drive and was starting to get hard to get to Mass. We eventually registered at our nearby parish and had to deal with how much we hated it. Now we’re registered at a close enough parish primarily so our daughter can receive the sacraments there.

We got married according to the 1962 missal and used to exclusively attend the Latin Mass. We didn’t fit in with the Traditionalist community though. What little I’ve experienced with eastern rites appeal to me. There’s not Eastern rites near here though. There is a very nearby Orthodox church that . . . it’s tempting. If we weren’t loyally Catholic, if we had the freedom to go there and try it out, we would. But I think deep down we wish it were an eastern rite, and the reality is that traveling a distance for mass gets in the way of going.
 
I understand what you are going through. I also tried the Latin Mass for a time but, like you, didn’t fit in with the crowd there. (Though, to be honest I guess we didn’t relaly try that hard…) What’s the area you live in? Have you tried byzcath to look for an Eastern Catholic parish? Some parishes are still missions and are small (ours is) and don’t’ have anything official online 😦
 
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UltimateChikorita said:
it’s true though
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I have no idea how that determination could even be made. What? You’ve listened to the arguments on both sides and found the west’s argument convincing? Or you looked at the different counsels and presume that the dominant voice, the voice that gets the final say and wins is always the right side.

I mean, yeah, we kind of have to believe that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Church, else we’d never be able to settle these theological arguments. I mean, Protestantism doesn’t believe in a magisterial authority. Without that authority, so long as you’re not convinced, you can keep dividing as you disagree and go on proof texting your opinion.

But we accept a lot of these teachings on faith and we have to accept our fallibility.
 
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I have no idea how that determination could even be made.
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Look at history. Look at St. John Chrysostom’s time as patriarch, when the East was against him. He had to appeal to the Pope, St. Innocent. Look at the Arian controversy, which was extremely devastating in the East. It flooded the East so much that St. Athanasius and St. Marcellus had to take refuge in Rome. Look at Iconoclasm, which was extremely widesread throughout the East. Nestorianism came from the Archbishop of Constantinople, Nestorius.
The Councils are infallible and are guided by the Holy Spirit, as any member of the Eastern Orthodox church will tell you. The voice that wins is the right side.
The West’s arguments are correct.
 
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UltimateChikorita said:
The Councils are infallible and are guided by the Holy Spirit, as any member of the Eastern Orthodox church will tell you. The voice that wins is the right side.
The West’s arguments are correct.
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The Holy Spirit may guide the counsels, but it doesn’t follow that the people making the winning arguments are always right or hold more authority than the other voices.
 
Most do, you are right. Although, I did have a Greek Orthodox priest tell me, “we are part of the same Church.” This is not common however, especially among the Greeks.

ZP
 
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ziapueblo said:
Although, I did have a Greek Orthodox priest tell me, “we are part of the same Church.” This is not common however, especially among the Greeks.
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Even then, would the same Greek priest have used the same observation to a Presbyterian or a Pentecostal friend as well? Was he really giving more validity to the Catholic Church, or was the comment more just showing his ecumenical attitude?
 
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