Well, I’m not RC but I’m Anglican and we share many things that the vast other Protestant churches don’t; like crossing ourselves, holy water, the Rosary, The Communion of Saints, The Real Presence etc. THERE IS MORE TO Christianity than the Bible alone. We believe that the Bible is top authority but tradition and reason are also elements to be considered. Many Protestant churches are lacking for a loss for a better term. They seem to believe that all that Jesus did and taugh came from Scripture alone and we both agree that this is not true. The question for me though is how do we know what those things not found in Scripture are? Good thread though.
I’ve honestly heard this too, it’s absolute baloney, the argument is majority based on trying to undermine the Sodom narrative. once that is “done” they then try to argue about weather or not the law(Sin) God outlay ed in Leviticus, the one where he said being gay was “abominable and worthy of death”(which is funny considering God says the acts committed in Sodom were “Abominable and worthy of death”) was over thrown by Jesus.Whoa! Please tell me where you perceive this “logic” in scripture that defends homosexuality.I don’t want to sound as if I’m attacking you but need to understand this for my own self-edification. More importantly, to help others from falling into that deception.
and by “undermine” I mean, they argue that it is a mistranslation.Whoa! Please tell me where you perceive this “logic” in scripture that defends homosexuality.
yeah, i also wondered about this, when I realized that “Grape Juice” is fundamentally diffrent to wine.
I’m glad you’re confident but if you believe each person sitting in your pew doesn’t have a different belief or opinion on Catholic doctrine and teaching, then you should probably live in a jar.
But any conflicting beliefs aren’t acceptable rules of faith. There is one definitive and certain rule of faith that people are free to accept or reject. Whereas on the Protestant side, no one has a right or authority pass judgment definitively on whether an individual’s belief is true or false.
neither do you, you just think and try to make others believe that you do. Scripture says nothing of what you try to pass off.
Most Catholics that dissent from Catholic teaching usually do it based on reasons other than Scripture (i.e. “we have to modernize,” “I don’t like that teaching,” etc.). The differences found among Protestants, however, is of a different nature. You can have five Protestant denominations that claim that they are interpreting the Bible faithfully or literally, and all five will come up with different conclusions. This has been the case of Protestantism from its very beginning. Even within the first decades of the Reformation, Protestantim has been characterised by disunity (i.e. Lutherans, Calvinists, Anabaptists, etc.)
I didn’t claim I did. But the successors of the Apostles do–especially Peter who’s faith was prayed for by the Lord and who’s faith is the rock on which the Church is built and who is given the keys to the Kingdom. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, whoever does not hear the Church is considered as a heathen and publican. This is all in Scripture. Just as the Father sent Jesus, so did He send the Apostles. Just read the book of Acts or epistles from the Apostles. They or those they send are the ones who judge whether doctrines are acceptable or not. We do not have a relativistic religion where contradictory things can both be true. God has revealed things for our salvation and we trust that He can preserve them for all mankind of every era. Every man is not left to his own devices or free to believe whatever he wants. There is one Lord, one faith, and one Baptism–and we are to be of one mind as the Apostle Paul states. How are we to be of one mind if there is no authority to rule on the one truth we are all to accept? How can we be of one mind if there is no way of definitive determining what we should be of one mind about?
You shouldn’t be. We’re one Body
.I left because of Scripture. As I said, the Catholic church may teach one thing a particular way and five Catholics will draw five different conclusions or beliefs from it. No different than from Protestant churches.
And how is that a reason to leave the Catholic Church?
Okay, so if Catholics draw five different conclusions and beliefs from one teaching, it’s fairly easy to determine who is right and who is wrong. All you have to do is go to the Magisterium, which has been given the gift of correct interpretation by the grace of the Holy Spirit (in matters of faith and morals, anyway).
Can you provide a couple of examples? The level of disunity in Catholicism can never compare to that found in Protestantism. Protestantism has never been a unified force and has always been splintered.
Regardless of how you characterize it, dissension, modernization, don’t like the teaching, different conclusions. Disunity is, for lack of a better word, disunity.
Strawman. No Catholic has ever claimed that all its members will be faithful to the teachings of the Church. We do claim to be sinners who can be self-willed and ignorant. The unity is in the teachings of the Magisterium, not in individuals.Regardless of how you characterize it, dissension, modernization, don’t like the teaching, different conclusions. Disunity is, for lack of a better word, disunity.
Having an alleged 2,000 year old, infallible teaching magisterium, does not remedy disunity; that is clearly seen with the SSPX, the traditionalists, sedevacantists, liberals, cafeteria Catholics, et al.
Catholic unity, to one outside the Church, is myth—m-y-t-h, myth.