Catholic devotion to Orthodox saints and vice-versa

[pablope]

St. Peter the Aleut / Sept. 24th

Troparian (Tone 1)

O Peter, upon the rock of thy faith hath Christ built His Church, and in the streams of thy blood hath He hallowed our land. In thee thy people hath been sanctified, O Aleut; from the farthest islands of the west hath He raised thee, a light unto all. Glory to Him that hath glorified thee. Glory to Him that hath crowned thee. Glory to Him that worketh healings for all through thee.

My Icon of St. Peter the Aleut reads: A native of Kodiak Island, Alaska, Tchounagnak, whose Christian name was Peter, worked at the Russian outpost of Ft. Ross in California. When the Spanish colonial government ordered the expulsion of the Russian-American settlers in 1816, Peter was arrested with 13 other Aleuts. Roman Catholic monks came to the prison at night to torture them to renounce Orthodoxy and embrace Romanism. They cut off Peter’s fingers one joint at a time, then his toes, until they had cut off his hands and feet. He bled to death. Upon hearing this from one of the surviving Aleuts, St. Herman stood before an icon and pronounced, “Holy New Martyr Peter, pray for us!” He is holding a Cross to show his martyrdom. His hand is raised to show that it is fully restored in the resurrection! - www.comeandseeicons.com

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A Catholic Saint I like is: St. Jose the Cristero Fighter

Rawb said in a prior post…I

f we were we would be more strict. But if out of 100 stories, one or two has some embellishments, it’s not a huge deal.

So can you tell which part of the story is the one or two embellishment?

And if there are embellishments…when would one stop putting in embellishments? Would it stop at three, at four, at five?

 

[pablope]

Originally Posted by pablope View Post
Okay…thanks for verifying. But what, or how do you define “staying within reason”? How do you determine when it is not reasonable anymore?

I don’t. The Bishop does.

I did not mean you personally…I meant the OC in general. From your response though…what is the standard by which an OC bishop will define “staying within reason”?

What standard will the bishop use to determine what is not reasonable anymore?

Perhaps, but St. Christopher is still a saint in your church, even though the evidence for his existence is on par with St. Peter’s. Your church also still venerates St. Barbara and St. Valentine, and they’re the same. You’ve removed them from the calendar, but you still claim they’re saints.

Don’t the OC church also accept St. Barbara?

Saint Barbara, (Greek: Αγία Βαρβάρα), Feast Day December 4, known in the Eastern Orthodox Church as the Great Martyr Barbara, was an early Christian saint and martyr. …en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Barbara

And what do you think the reason was for removing them and some saints for the calendar? By removing them the calendar…did they suddenly not become saints anymore?

You have stories of saints who’ve flown, had visions, and spoke in tongues without any verification, but you accept them because your church has ok’d their veneration. You can’t hold us to a standard you don’t hold for yourself.

The decision is made on their lives, how they lived their lives…not on visions, whether they bilocated or not. That is why, there is an extensive investigation process…to sift out legend from the truth. We accept them because the church made a judgement of their worthiness.

your church has ok’d their veneration. You can’t hold us to a standard you don’t hold for yourself.

Well…the OC claims it is the true faith…should it not hold more stringent standards than the RCC?

Actually no, we don’t believe in infallibility. We don’t hold the Councils to be infallible, bishops to be infallible, there is no “cannot err” in Orthodoxy. After all, the Bishops supported Arianism and the Councils supported Iconoclasm. At some point every source of authority in The Church (back when we were One Church) was condemned as heretical.

Are you sure about not holding an EC infallible? How would you know then if what the EC did is free from error or not?

I don’t think we categorize these types of things as being an ‘act of faith’ or not. Everything should be an act of faith.

Can you explain? First…you said you do not categorize…then you said everything should be an act of faith…so believing in a saint is an act of faith…part of the “everything”?

However, this is not a problem for Orthodox who do not believe in infallibility.

Ok, then change my “source” to “protector” and you can even add in “on faith and morals” if you like…but again, getting off topi

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But this is how the CC defines infallibility…in this narrow sense. What do you think infallibiity refers to?

 

[1Tim215Mommy]

So can you tell which part of the story is the one or two embellishment?

And if there are embellishments…when would one stop putting in embellishments? Would it stop at three, at four, at five?

First you publically call Orthodox Christian Rawb a “coward” without a public apology & now you attempt to bash an Orthodox Saint.

I, for one, no longer want to see your venim-filled comments so you have been placed on my ignore list.

 

[EIF5A]

I really didn’t start this thread for yet another argument between Catholics and Orthodox…

I don’t think the saints in heaven would be very pleased if they are being used in acrimonious arguments. They are remembered for their humility and gentleness.

Isn’t that common in both Church saints?

 

[1Tim215Mommy]

I really didn’t start this thread for yet another argument between Catholics and Orthodox…

I don’t think the saints in heaven would be very pleased if they are being used in acrimonious arguments. They are remembered for their humility and gentleness.

Isn’t that common in both Church saints?