Catholic Divorce

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I think he does know… I confront him… often. It’s not like I sit back and let it happen, and he’ll say “I don’t know what’s wrong with me…” or " It’s just that _____ …" He just doesn’t seem to want to figure out what causes it, or make any attempt to change it. That’s my problem. I’ve said before
 
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As everyone has said, you need more help than a bunch of strangers on a message board can give you. That said, I’m going to give some advice anyways…

My husband just doesn’t seem to want to be married or have a family. When he’s in a good mood he seems to tolerate us, and occasionally will actually be “happy” around us, but the majority of the time he is mad that we’re interrupting his T.V. watching, relaxing, etc.
You may be right. But that doesn’t mean he specifically doesn’t want you and your kids. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. Chances are that there is nothing you can DO to change things. But there may be some new attitudes you can adopt. Your attitude may be more important than your behavior.

He has me on pins and needles all the time because he has made it clear since the beginning of our marriage that the house must be clean when he gets home, even though I have upto seven kids four and under here on a daily basis.
If you truly are a terrible housekeeper address that problem. If, as I suspect, you are a normal housekeeper and are doing the best you can given the circumstances, try to have one room picked up and then don’t act bothered when he complains. The way you act will have an impact on the way you actually feel.

It sounds as if your husband has an excessive need for “Alone time”. Be as sensitive to this as you can by minimizing company (yours or the kids) at the times he would normally come home. I got the impression that perhaps you babysit during the day? If it’s for free, you may have to stop or stick to mornings. If it’s for pay, put the burden on your husband and suggest maybe you should stop sitting in the afternoon because the money isn’t worth the stress on him. Put on some soothing music an hour before he arrives. It will calm you and the children. It will also be nice for him. You’ve done all that is reasonable so now you act like you don’t take any of his complaints personally. Again, your attitude will affect the way you feel inside.

He expects me to work to bring in a second income, which I do part-time in the evenings, but then he’s furious with me when I get home, because the baby cried.
Sounds familiar. Your husband probably has a big need to be in control. Actually most men do. Some just have bigger needs than others. When he complains about the baby crying you just have to sweetly but firmly say, “Oh honey, didn’t you change her and feed her and pick her up and rock her for half an hour?” (or whatever you would do if you had been home when the baby cried.) Don’t act hurt by his attack on you or on his child. Again, your actions will help your attitude.

I feel as though I have bent over backwards for the last four years to make him happy, and the more unhappy he gets the more I cave into him.
Do you just feel that way or is it fact? Your feelings are important but don’t be held hostage by them by making them the lens through which you see your life.

*I don’t know how to draw the line between enabling him to continue by my constantly giving in or being disrespectful by not adhering to the expectations he has of me and the kids.
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This is where you do need some help. I don’t know if you are being disrespectful of him. It sound like his expectations may be disrespectful of you and the kids. But you don’t seem to respect yourself at this point and I think this is your biggest problem.

If your husband is just “a jerk” prayer may be the only thing you can do about the way he acts and feels. Unfortunately you are not entitled to a happy husband when you are a good wife. (But it does improve your chances IF your husband is a good man.)

But you can change your attitude about yourself. Sometimes changing your attitude about yourself will make him see that he has something of value. But even if it doesn’t result in your husband changing his behavior, at least one of you will feel better about you.
 
First of all, this is a man posting.

I can only go by what you say but it sounds like your husband is as desperately unhappy as you are. It also sounds like you have done everything you can think of to accomodate him and he is still desperately unhappy. Your husband has to articulate what he really wants and why he is so unhappy. Does he really want to be a married man and the father of three children? Is what he really wants is to be free of the mountain of responsibilities he’s (voluntarily and freely) taken on and turn back the clock to when he was single and childless and you and he were just girlfriend and boyfriend? I think that counselling would be helpful but only once he’s committed himself to being married. He has to want to make it work and he has to trust the counsellor to be impartial. He has to want to find a way to be happy as a husband and father and has to commit to making you and your children happy. The one-sided abusive relationship you describe does not seem to be making him any happier than it’s making you.
 
I have never considered myself to be someone who lacks self-esteem, as such. I am definately a people pleaser though, I try very hard to make those around me happy, at all costs. I think that’s why I’m so frustrated… is that the person with whom I try the hardest, is the most impossible to please.
Been there, done that. I’m so sorry for your situation. I know it must feel impossible. Just to echo the others - try to get counseling. If he refuses to participate, or walks out after 15 minutes as my husband did, then think through your options.

Do you have the means/ability to separate for a while to let him think things over?

How will a divorce or separation affect the children? Will they be better off if Dad isn’t around? If Dad has an alcohol or substance abuse problem, then they probably will. Men with these problems drive their wives and children crazy. My husband would say things that we both knew were not true just to see if I would believe him.

I’ll pray for you! God bless you.
 
I don’t know if you ever found the link, so here it is:

retrouvaille.org/

Whether or not it’s for you, there are also links to about 25 other marriage resources. Maybe just talking with a trained professional in Catholic marital healing would help.

“The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands” by Dr. Laura Schlessinger had some pretty powerful truths in it. I recognized myself in quite a few of the chapters. My husband read it too, and he said that he was surprised how accurately she described men’s side of things. (I know you probably don’t have time to sit down & read a book right now, but I wanted to at least mention it).

God bless you. I’ll pray for you, and for your husband. I really don’t know what else I can say…
 
Mamacarnie,

I have done tele-counseling with Greg Popcak. I can’t recommend it enough. I suggest calling NOW. A lot of people have some fairly good advice here. However, it seems like you need support and expertise from an expert who follows the teaching of the Church. Counseling from a good, faithful Catholic helps you follow through with good advice and grow in sanctity. My situation was similar to yours but actually probably much worse. I will not go into personal details here. The expense is well worth it. Your life is worth it and so is your kids.
 
I just want to thank everyone for your suggestions, thoughts, and prayers. I appreciated what everyone had to say, and also from a few other posts was able to gain some help. Last night we let the kids have a movie night downstairs, and we sat with a couple glasses of wine and talked. I even mentioned what I had posted here, and what a few of you had to say. It was nice to get some things on the table, and hopefully when he’s ready to seek counseling.

God bless.
 
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MamaCarnie:
I just want to thank everyone for your suggestions, thoughts, and prayers. I appreciated what everyone had to say, and also from a few other posts was able to gain some help. Last night we let the kids have a movie night downstairs, and we sat with a couple glasses of wine and talked. I even mentioned what I had posted here, and what a few of you had to say. It was nice to get some things on the table, and hopefully when he’s ready to seek counseling.

God bless.
MamaCarnie, that’s just great. Thank you for updating. I woke up a little sad thinking about this thread this morning–I will pray for your marriage at Mass this weekend.
 
tell your husband that you are going to a counsellor or priest because of what is happening, then again give him a fright and put a hammer through the t.v… I have known that has worked wonders back here in new zealand. good luck.
 
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