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Cone
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Is there a list of Catholic dogmas that a Catholic is not permitted to challenge without committing a sin? Like abortion, for example.
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Nanotwerp
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Everything in the Bible, Liturgy, Encyclicals, and Catechisms are binding.
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grannymh
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Please note that not every word in the Bible and the Liturgy automatically becomes a Catholic dogma. It is the province of Major Church Ecumenical Councils, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, to properly define a dogma.
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St_Francis
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Not everything in catechisms is infallible either, nor encyclicals. Both are supposed to reference previous writings which are infallible in order to be saying something infallible: they are not in and of themselves infallible.
Catholics can question any teaching in order to understand it better, we are supposed to give assent of the will (we don’t have to feel it) to the idea that the Church has all teaching authority from God through Christ, and that what the Church teaches in the areas of faith and morals is correct.
Catholics can question any teaching in order to understand it better, we are supposed to give assent of the will (we don’t have to feel it) to the idea that the Church has all teaching authority from God through Christ, and that what the Church teaches in the areas of faith and morals is correct.
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MarcoPolo
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If, as the other poster said, by “challenge,” you meant researched the basis for a teaching, then you can do that for any teaching. If you freely reject a teaching while understanding it’s authority, you would commit a sin. There is no “official list,” of dogmas set forth by the Magisterium. It would be counterproductive as well as impossible to do (see Fallacies on Infallibility). You might also read through Lumen Gentium #25 for a discussion on identifying dogmatic pronouncements in the Church, and the religious assent to all Church teaching.
See also:*CCC#892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a “definitive manner,” they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent" which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.*So it is possible, depending on the understanding and obstinence of the “challenging” soul, to sin even if the doctrine in question is not dogmatic.
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PaulfromIowa
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What Catholic dogma do you disagree with? You mention abortion. Surely you don’t disagree that the murder of innocent children is wrong.
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Cone
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I was thinking of contraception and same sex marriage, particularly Catholics who publicly express dissent on these issues. (There are no church doctrines I disagree with.)
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kozlosap
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These are exactly the social issues that many of the 95% of Western Catholics struggle with. I know so many “so-called” Cafeteria Catholics who believe in all of the theological truths of the Church, but struggle everyday with the social dogmas.
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Joe_Ca
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The Church’s teaching on contraception and same sex marriage ARE doctrinal.
They are part of the Church’s teachings on the role of the sexes, the nature of the marital bond, and the use of the sexual faculties.
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thistle
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Contraception and homosexuality are infallible teachings of the Church. You may seek to better understand these teachings and what underpins them but you may not reject them. Catholics who reject one or more infallible teachings commit heresy.
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Igypop83
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I disagree. At least the teaching on contraception is for sure official and binding. But it has never been defined as infallible.
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AprilFoolish
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Not binding in a legal sense.
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thistle
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The teaching banning the use of any form of artificial birth control to prevent pregnancy is an infallible teaching.
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rasbat
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I posted a thread very similar to this about three weeks ago and recieved rather poor answers. I agree with all church teachings and just wanted to be able to defend them. I just simply do not quite understand where everything comes from. things like what has gone on here in this thread happen all the time. somebody says “it is church teaching” with no citation, no source, no anything at all of any kind whatsoever. somebody else says “I disagree” and an argument ensues. footnotes would be nice and lots of them. where EXACTLY is this coming from. where is this teaching FOUND!? at confirmation we state that we believe ALL things the Church teaches. I simply want to keep true to that but teaching seems like a foggy ethereal cloud that things are just pulled out of at random from millions of sources. surely it must exist somewhere. I am simply in disbelief that these have not been codified in some official way. I’m sure they are out there it is just that nobody ever directs anyone to the source of the teachings they discuss.
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thistle
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For your information Catholics are bound by ALL Church teachings whether they are infallible or non-infallible so I anyway don’t understand why there are so many threads asking which teachings are which. It makes no difference. To consciously reject either is a sin of grave matter. Its just in the case of infallible teachings it is also heresy to reject them.
Infallible teachings can never be changed.
Theoretically a non-infallible teaching could be changed but that has not happened in 2000 years and I don’t see it starting now.
You might want to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The teachings have footnotes with reference to Scripture and other Church documents that underpin the teachings.
The CCC is even free online:
scborromeo.org/mobileccc/index/a.htm
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clem456
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A good way to proceed is to read the Catechism (many Catholics won’t even take that basic step), and read the references to Scripture and Church documents contained within.
The Church has never intended to make a “list” of prohibitions as first priority. First of all, the Church proclaims the Gospel. That means “good news”, literally. The CCC for instance, focuses on God’s goodness. And also addresses some issues that are specific challenges in today’s world, like the right to life, marital fidelity, etc…
Catholicism is not at it’s heart a set of prohibitions, Catholicism is a person, Jesus Christ. Catholicism proposes what is good, beautiful, and true.
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