Catholic education made me Wiccan

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I will not comment on the content of the OP’s statement…BUT… is his spelling any indication of the quality of Catholic academics? SIMPLE words like feel (feal) and seem(seam)? I am not Catholic, but** if his spelling is indicative of his entire Catholic education, then perhaps it’s to be expected that he has arrived at the place where he finds himself.**
You asked what you believe is a serious question…what is your serious answer?..Do you believe that the answer to your question could be … in any way, shape or fashion…YES…then please tell us about it.

Surely if you don’t have to be Catholic to ask that type of question…then you don’t have to be Catholic to answer it. Domo arigato.

Pax Christi
 
Firstly, the spelling, I’ll admit it I am a horrible speller, but I also did this on an iPod so that dosn’t help.

There were several comment about family church attendance and yes I do think that’s a big part of it for alot of people. As for the angst comments, no, i actualy liked my theo teachersif u want angst message me about my schools administration and I’ll give u angst 😛

Several of u beleave I will come back to Christianity. I doubt it but maybe, I’m alwase open to stuff. But Catholicism just never have me the sort of connection to the universe I have now, and I like this fealing of being part of nature. I know Christians will call that worshiping creation, but it’s more of worshiping the divine within nature.
 
Firstly, the spelling, I’ll admit it I am a horrible speller, but I also did this on an iPod so that dosn’t help.

There were several comment about family church attendance and yes I do think that’s a big part of it for alot of people. As for the angst comments, no, i actualy liked my theo teachersif u want angst message me about my schools administration and I’ll give u angst 😛

Several of u beleave I will come back to Christianity. I doubt it but maybe, I’m alwase open to stuff. But Catholicism just never have me the sort of connection to the universe I have now, and I like this fealing of being part of nature. I know Christians will call that worshiping creation, but it’s more of worshiping the divine within nature.
Really, the only good reason to believe anything is whether or not it is true. All the good feelings you get from believing X don’t matter if X is false. So is Wicca TRUE? If so, how do you know it? Is Catholicism FALSE? If so, how do you know it?

You should head over to www.scifiwright.com and search for his posts about ancient paganism and modern neo-paganism. You will gain an education, I promise you.

I am also reminded of Chesterton’s quote, which was something like “Paganism was the greatest thing in the world, and then Christianity appeared and it was greater still, and everything since then has been relatively insignificant.”

So, the fundamental question for you and any person is, are you interested in truth? Do you believe things because they make you feel good, or do you believe them because they are true? Are you prepared to let truth lead you to places you do not want to go, or will you believe falsehoods because they make you comfortable?
 
Hello all!

I’m a new highschool grad, who just got his diploma from a top 50 catholic highschool. I’m not here to tell u all I hate Catholicism because I don’t. I have great respect for it, and I do think it’s the most directly linked Christian denomination to Jesus. Why I am here is because I received a good education and feal it is only fair that I tell a few Catholics where their schools theo programs tend to go wrong and push people away from christianity rather than to it. (also I do enjoy a good debate, even if this isn’t the main purpose of the thread)

So, I received a preschool through 12th grade catholic education. My family dosnt regularly attend church but I did at school and even was an alter boy. Now I had alwase been the philosophical type so I tended to swing back and forth between Catholicism and agnostic even as early as 5th grade. It wasn’t untill highschool however that it became pronounced.

When I went to highschool I changed from a small, personal enviroment (30 or so in my 8th grade class) to a larger one (90 kids and dedicated theo teachers). It was here where I got my first taste of what REALY pushes high schoolers out he door, perceived or sometimes actual favoriteism. Those kids who take well to theo class “the holy rollers” seemed to occupy most of he teachers time. This, as well as some language used by the teachers, packets, videos, ect. Also came off as a bit demeaning to certain groups, weather intended to or not. With no attention in class and a fealing that certain people got better treatment led to many kids drifting or even plain running away from christianity. And I eventually became a hardened agnostic.

I had alwase been a bit more exposed to the world than most other teenagers in my area, my father had traveled alot, I had gone to europe, and had a Turkish Muslim as an exchange student who I later visited in Istambul, so I came to the conclusion that most people were only their religion because they were raised it. This seamed to be confirmed when I watched others drift away from Catholicism. It was this openness to other cultures that probably allowed me to break out of my very catholic enviroment. I saw everyone just going through the motions, catholicism to me seamed more like a tradition than a religion.

Now in my senior year I took a class on world religions. I loved it, the teacher was also at he same time my normal theo teacher teaching us apologetics so it worked out rather well. Despite my belief that the whole truth was beyond mans comprehension I tried to find a religion that rang with me. I had high hopes for Islam and Budhism but neither rang with me. It was only when I did a project on Norse-Germanic paganism that I began to feal a connection. Another student presented on Wicca and before the week was out I was devouring every scrap of pagan info I could get. I even looked on christian sights against it just for more info on its practices. The attitude the teacher heals taken twords the Wicca presentation, although lighthearted, was still a bit over the top to me (he did several acts involving holy water which were a bit over the top). When the teacher began linking dream catchers and folk items to demonic possession I officially lost all respect for Christians warnings about Wicca and possession, it just seamed over the top.

I have sense felt a connection with Wicca like I never did with Christianity. Even alone I feal more a part of something than I ever did in a church. All though I felt brief glimpses of the ultimate reality as a catholic it didnt aproach what I felt the first few times I delved into Wicca. Before any bible quotes about witchcraft come out, sense starting Wicca I have not cast any spell, and because I have become so enthrawled in he philosophy I don’t know if I ever will. I do meditate, direct energy, and dable in astral projection. I feal so much more satisfied than I did watching everyone go through the motions of mass, hear lectures on how our school was a thriving faith community, and listen to chastity speekers who were so bad they probably made MORE peopl want to have sex.

So, what is the message I am trying to get across here? Three things, first; there is a tendency to focus more on the theologically sound students and make others feal excluded. Secondly, alot of teachers and administrators have a “afraid of a mouse” mentality about things forgen to them (seriousely, dream catchers cause possession?). And lastly, things tend to get coated over and overlooked. Every time my principal said we came together to celibrate mass it was a flat out lie, less than half the people actively participated at all, and he tone was anything by celibratory. Just tell things like they are.

So, that’s what I’ve got for ya. I can go more depth if anyone would like and I can dispell any of those nasty rumors about Wicca aswell. Again I have great respect for Catholicism, it REALY is the path to spiritual fofilment for many people. Heil og sæl!
It appears that you finally found something to believe in theologically while taking a course on world religions in your Catholic school. I can’t imagine choosing any other religion other than Catholicism.

You state that Catholicism is really the path to spiritual fulfilment. Yes, there are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world. Although all are not practicing, there’s still more adherants than those who practice Wicca. Think they might know something that you don’t?

Your parents, although not devout, felt it necessary to give you a Catholic education, to receive the sacraments, and to be an altar boy. Did you ever ask them why they were willing to spend the money on this? Why was it important to them?

Teachers can only do so much. There has to be a natural curiosity that drives one to seek knowledge. It might be interesting to know your own family’s history as to the reason why they are Catholic and when they became Catholic. There was a time when we were all pagans.
 
Hello all!

I’m a new highschool grad, who just got his diploma from a top 50 catholic highschool. I’m not here to tell u all I hate Catholicism because I don’t. I have great respect for it, and I do think it’s the most directly linked Christian denomination to Jesus. Why I am here is because I received a good education and feal it is only fair that I tell a few Catholics where their schools theo programs tend to go wrong and push people away from christianity rather than to it. (also I do enjoy a good debate, even if this isn’t the main purpose of the thread)

So, I received a preschool through 12th grade catholic education. My family dosnt regularly attend church but I did at school and even was an alter boy. Now I had alwase been the philosophical type so I tended to swing back and forth between Catholicism and agnostic even as early as 5th grade. It wasn’t untill highschool however that it became pronounced.

When I went to highschool I changed from a small, personal enviroment (30 or so in my 8th grade class) to a larger one (90 kids and dedicated theo teachers). It was here where I got my first taste of what REALY pushes high schoolers out he door, perceived or sometimes actual favoriteism. Those kids who take well to theo class “the holy rollers” seemed to occupy most of he teachers time. This, as well as some language used by the teachers, packets, videos, ect. Also came off as a bit demeaning to certain groups, weather intended to or not. With no attention in class and a fealing that certain people got better treatment led to many kids drifting or even plain running away from christianity. And I eventually became a hardened agnostic.

I had alwase been a bit more exposed to the world than most other teenagers in my area, my father had traveled alot, I had gone to europe, and had a Turkish Muslim as an exchange student who I later visited in Istambul, so I came to the conclusion that most people were only their religion because they were raised it. This seamed to be confirmed when I watched others drift away from Catholicism. It was this openness to other cultures that probably allowed me to break out of my very catholic enviroment. I saw everyone just going through the motions, catholicism to me seamed more like a tradition than a religion.

Now in my senior year I took a class on world religions. I loved it, the teacher was also at he same time my normal theo teacher teaching us apologetics so it worked out rather well. Despite my belief that the whole truth was beyond mans comprehension I tried to find a religion that rang with me. I had high hopes for Islam and Budhism but neither rang with me. It was only when I did a project on Norse-Germanic paganism that I began to feal a connection. Another student presented on Wicca and before the week was out I was devouring every scrap of pagan info I could get. I even looked on christian sights against it just for more info on its practices. The attitude the teacher heals taken twords the Wicca presentation, although lighthearted, was still a bit over the top to me (he did several acts involving holy water which were a bit over the top). When the teacher began linking dream catchers and folk items to demonic possession I officially lost all respect for Christians warnings about Wicca and possession, it just seamed over the top.

I have sense felt a connection with Wicca like I never did with Christianity. Even alone I feal more a part of something than I ever did in a church. All though I felt brief glimpses of the ultimate reality as a catholic it didnt aproach what I felt the first few times I delved into Wicca. Before any bible quotes about witchcraft come out, sense starting Wicca I have not cast any spell, and because I have become so enthrawled in he philosophy I don’t know if I ever will. I do meditate, direct energy, and dable in astral projection. I feal so much more satisfied than I did watching everyone go through the motions of mass, hear lectures on how our school was a thriving faith community, and listen to chastity speekers who were so bad they probably made MORE peopl want to have sex.

So, what is the message I am trying to get across here? Three things, first; there is a tendency to focus more on the theologically sound students and make others feal excluded. Secondly, alot of teachers and administrators have a “afraid of a mouse” mentality about things forgen to them (seriousely, dream catchers cause possession?). And lastly, things tend to get coated over and overlooked. Every time my principal said we came together to celibrate mass it was a flat out lie, less than half the people actively participated at all, and he tone was anything by celibratory. Just tell things like they are.

So, that’s what I’ve got for ya. I can go more depth if anyone would like and I can dispell any of those nasty rumors about Wicca aswell. Again I have great respect for Catholicism, it REALY is the path to spiritual fofilment for many people. Heil og sæl!
“I do think it’s the most directly linked Christian denomination to Jesus”.

Great. And since Jesus is God, Catholicism is the most directly linked to God.

Think deeply on that. 👍
 
Firstly, the spelling, I’ll admit it I am a horrible speller, but I also did this on an iPod so that dosn’t help.

There were several comment about family church attendance and yes I do think that’s a big part of it for alot of people. As for the angst comments, no, i actualy liked my theo teachersif u want angst message me about my schools administration and I’ll give u angst 😛

Several of u beleave I will come back to Christianity. I doubt it but maybe, I’m alwase open to stuff. But Catholicism just never have me the sort of connection to the universe I have now, and I like this fealing of being part of nature. I know Christians will call that worshiping creation, but it’s more of worshiping the divine within nature.
Does the divine have to be within nature? God is all about us: in nature, in us. All of creation is God’s just as we are.
 
Some good insights in this thread, folks, but let’s not talk about Hunter as if he isn’t here with us; it’s sort of impolite.
Here is the root of the poison tree.

The rest of your post is just high school angst, all kids feel alienated from the world, their teachers, and attempt to pushh boundaries and assert independence. The real let-down was not your school, but your parents who did not live up to their obligation and promises they made at your baptism.
1ke wins the thread (not for the first time).

Hunter, I mean no disrespect to you with what follows, because you cannot help being what your environment has helped to make you. Much of this stuff applies to me, too, and I only recently gained insight about it, and am working to overcome it. But one cannot help but notice certain common words that appear frequently throughout your original post. I did a quick search in Word. About 20 instances of “me” or “my,” a whopping 54 of “I.” Yes, that’s case-sensitive and whole-world only.

This is an extraordinarily phenomenological approach to Christianity, which is exactly the wrong one to take. The argument, to the extent there is one, seems to be “a very small group of Christians didn’t validate me, therefore I don’t want to be a Christian.” Followed by, “some other religion did validate me / stimulate my emotions, therefore I want to follow that religion.”

When you approach Christianity with this sort of attitude, of course it’s going to leave you dissatisfied. Because Christianity doesn’t exist to validate you. It’s not about you at all, except in a relatively narrow sense. It’s about God, primarily, and then about everyone in the world but you, secondarily. The whole theme of Christianity is charity, which is selfless action for the good of others – of total self-sacrifice, of dying to oneself (at the very least figuratively, and very often literally) for the sake of others. I suspect this is why modernity hates Christianity. If you don’t understand this, you have missed the point, and need to reevaluate everything in your life. I assure you that until you do understand, you will never, ever find meaningful and stable happiness anywhere in life.

I hope this little bit of critical insight (which, as I said, I only just recently came to understand myself) helps you.
While I agree that we certainly need more people responding to their call to vocation, I don’t think that there is a simple correlation between the “nuns and priests” leaving the classrooms and the decline in the quality of religious education.

Nuns and priests can be just as heterodox as any layman.
Indeed, that’s part of what’s gotten us to the point of this mess.

What we need, I think, are more vocations to marriage. I don’t just mean more people getting married, I mean more people getting married because they understand that they are called to it, not because they want sex and companionship and personal validation. People who take their duties to their spouse and children (and God) seriously. We need good Catholic parents first, or else an army of good Catholic priests can do nothing. Faith starts at home; the sensibilities must be trained before the mind is. The latter is the priest’s job and educators’ jobs, together with that of the parents, but the former is (well, ought to be) pretty much exclusively the parents’ purview.
 
Yes, there are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world. Although all are not practicing, there’s still more adherants than those who practice Wicca. Think they might know something that you don’t?
You can’t play the numbers game. There’s 1.7~ billion Muslims in the world, and growing. Growing faster then Christianity(which I think may actually be dropping but don’t quote me on that). I’m not saying this proves anything. Other then your statement is absurd. Can’t one say "There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Although they are not practicing, there’s still more adherents than those who practice Catholicism. Think they might know something you don’t?
 
You can’t play the numbers game. There’s 1.7~ billion Muslims in the world, and growing. Growing faster then Christianity(which I think may actually be dropping but don’t quote me on that). I’m not saying this proves anything. Other then your statement is absurd. Can’t one say "There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Although they are not practicing, there’s still more adherents than those who practice Catholicism. Think they might know something you don’t?
Yes, that wouldn’t be meaningful a comparison for a number of reasons. But that’s not what he means. If three people believe the sky is green, it’s meaningful to appeal to the 99.99999% that don’t.

There’s a germ of an argument in there which is of a different kind. Catholicism has built some of the best civilizations in the history of the world, with some of the highest and most profound degree of cultural and philosophical output ever seen. The repudiation of Catholicism has largely caused those same nations to degenerate badly. What we see when we look at Islam is a different story. Catholicism enabled the continuous habitation and maintenance of cities founded under the Romans: Rome itself, Paris, London, Toledo, etc. This was true too in northern Africa and the Middle East. Since they have fallen under Islamic sway the ancient cities have largely been reduced to rubble. Where is Baalbek? Carthage? etc. The fact that Islam could not even maintain the cultural tradition it’s inherited suggests it’s a pretty radically deficient system, one that fails to correspond to human nature in important ways.
 
^^^^^

We actually talked about Muslims number growing at mass. Catholicism is not hiding it if that is what people believe. Priest talked about population toll within the muslims.
 
You can’t play the numbers game. There’s 1.7~ billion Muslims in the world, and growing. Growing faster then Christianity(which I think may actually be dropping but don’t quote me on that). I’m not saying this proves anything. Other then your statement is absurd. Can’t one say "There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world. Although they are not practicing, there’s still more adherents than those who practice Catholicism. Think they might know something you don’t?
I don’t want to bring this too far off topic, but I had to say something.

When Muslims “evangelize” in certain parts of the world, they have a certain “persuasiveness” that Christians do not employ anymore. In those areas they have been known to be very aggressive, and do not always take “no” for an answer. I don’t think they know any more than you or I. I agree that one can not play the numbers game when it comes to Christianity and Islam.
 
I think that your post is rather sad. However, with time perhaps you’ll come back to the Church. Maybe when “the call” starts to come through (as it does so often when maturity develops more fully) you will devour “every scrap” of Catholic info you can find. But, you are certainly not the first teen, trying to figure out where they belong, to become sidetracked. I’ll say a prayer for you that your journey neither be too long nor painful before you come home. Take care and God bless.
I was a zealous Muslim convert two years ago and I converted to the one religion I (thought) despised because of how materialistic I thought it was. If the Holy Spirit can change my heart He can change anyones.

(I am 17 now so I identify with his story though I never went to Catholic Schools/currently do not I am still in school)
 
You asked what you believe is a serious question…what is your serious answer?..Do you believe that the answer to your question could be … in any way, shape or fashion…YES…then please tell us about it.

Surely if you don’t have to be Catholic to ask that type of question…then you don’t have to be Catholic to answer it. Domo arigato.

Pax Christi
You’re assuming that I have an answer. Very well…my answer is “I don’t know”. That’s why I asked the question in the first place.
 
Hi, Mtndwellar,

My understanding from Agape Thom’s statement was that there were numerous deficits in the OP’s statement - not that the statement was totally illeterate or unreadable. Considering that he is just starting off with CAF - his presentation lacked a number of items that would been more of a reflection of his graduation from a ‘top 50’ Catholic School (does this make it 49th in the listing? ;)) Actually, if he were writing a resume in anticipation of getting a job - with the same care and attention he gave to this post - I think these failings would be quickly identified in a negative manner. In my opinion, this sample of his writing style hardly qualifies for recognition as a ‘scholar’. :rolleyes: Now, let’s get to the heart of the matter.

I agree, the content of the post is sad. I also agree that the ‘reasons’ given for leaving the Catholic Church are lame at best and promote a distinct whine of self-proclaimed victimhood. Really, Hunter 24 should resoundingly and proudly proclaim his actual reasons for leaving the Church founded by the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity - in favor of one founded by whoever to worship whatever both now and forever! I mean, after all, he’s a high school graduate - and surely knows his own mind that has been only lightly seasoned with experience and wisdom. But, what does he give us - the whine that whimpers, " I was poorly catechized so I am leaving in search of Realtiy". His partents lack of appropriate role modeling in regards to the Catholic Faith undoubtedly plays a role here - but, I would suggest that his post probably has more to do with adolescent rebellion.

Personally, I have only met one Wiccan - and this was a young woman who had demonstrated very serious psychiatric problems along with a history of drug abuse. I would not guess that there could bre many older people in such a group (contrasted with walking into virtually any Christian church and counting the folks with the grey hairs). Life in the fast lane does not prepare people for the marathon of real living… and burn out is quite common.

My guess is that Hunter 24 needs to follow his own name - and do some more hunting in search of the Truth. The Devil is a real spirit - and one with real power - and one with a single agenda: getting as many souls to join him in damnation as possible. There are those who have been truly influenced by the Devil - and none of this is to be taken lightly or dismissed as just foolishness. What tends to be forgotten is that the Devil is a mere creature, having no more power then God has allowed him and is totally dependent on God to keep him (and all the rest of creation) in existence. In my opinion, any assessment of Wiccan or any form of paganism can not omit just who it is that is the focus of their worship. Unmasking the Devil is the work of a lifetime - and, it is best to get an early start!

God bless
The OP seems like a scholar compared to other teens. He has learned to write full and complete sentences. He can express his ideas coherently. He even understands the use of punctuation and paragraphs! 👍
 
Hi, Rhuarc,

God bless you for accepting the Grace of God for your conversion. I know that you had to overcome many difficulties to make this choice and I will keep you in my prayers that you persevere in following God’s Holy Will throughout your life in the Catholic Church.

Stay in school and get the best education that you can.

God bless
I was a zealous Muslim convert two years ago and I converted to the one religion I (thought) despised because of how materialistic I thought it was. If the Holy Spirit can change my heart He can change anyones.

(I am 17 now so I identify with his story though I never went to Catholic Schools/currently do not I am still in school)
 
I will not comment on the content of the OP’s statement…BUT… is his spelling any indication of the quality of Catholic academics? SIMPLE words like feel (feal) and seem(seam)? I am not Catholic, but if his spelling is indicative of his entire Catholic education, then perhaps it’s to be expected that he has arrived at the place where he finds himself.
thanks,i picked up on that too:thumbsup:
 
I think that your post is rather sad. However, with time perhaps you’ll come back to the Church. Maybe when “the call” starts to come through (as it does so often when maturity develops more fully) you will devour “every scrap” of Catholic info you can find. But, you are certainly not the first teen, trying to figure out where they belong, to become sidetracked. I’ll say a prayer for you that your journey neither be too long nor painful before you come home. Take care and God bless.
I agree. The post is very sad.

That said, OP, I want to tell you something. I don’t know if dream catchers can cause demonic possession or not but I guarantee you that dabbling in astral projection and other similar things can cause demonic possession. The Occult which is waht you are involved in is a very dangerous field in the spiritual way of things. Please, be forewarned that if you continue on this path, you may very well find yourself having demonic issues. I know. I used to be involved in Wicca myself and I do have problems with demonic things. Demons harass me all the time. Please, be forewarned, you are in a dangerous path. Please return to Catholicism as soon as possible!
 
When the nuns and priests left the classrooms…
WE NEED MORE VOCATIONS to Orders with a priority commitment to educating the young
Fewer Orders doing what lay nonprofits, social service agencies, and volunteers can do. More Orders doing what consecrated Catholic religious can do better than anyone else: being the role models that impressionable young people cannot find elsewhere.
 
I have sense felt a connection with Wicca like I never did with Christianity. Even alone I feal more a part of something than I ever did in a church. All though I felt brief glimpses of the ultimate reality as a catholic it didnt aproach what I felt the first few times I delved into Wicca. Before any bible quotes about witchcraft come out, sense starting Wicca I have not cast any spell, and because I have become so enthrawled in he philosophy I don’t know if I ever will. I do meditate, direct energy, and dable in astral projection. I feal so much more satisfied than I did watching everyone go through the motions of mass, hear lectures on how our school was a thriving faith community, and listen to chastity speekers who were so bad they probably made MORE peopl want to have sex.!
My understanding is that Wicca is a new religion (dating from about 1954, which makes it just a little older than me) which is essentially the creation of three individuals involved in the various occult movements of the early twentieth century:
  1. Margaret Murray, an Egyptologist who tried to recreate the tenets of an ancient religion, to justify those women who were killed in European witch trials, despite a complete lack of any anthropological evidence for her claims. To do this, she made claims that the transcripts of bizarre statements by witches made under trial (and often, torture) were in fact the descriptions of actual religious practices that were a survival of an ancient pagan culture. Her 1921 book, “The Witch Cult in Western Europe,” is pretty much dismissed by every anthropologist as fantasy. Her theory was included in the Encyclopedia Brittanica (largely because, well, she wrote the entry) until 1969, when they booted it out.
  2. In 1954, Gerald Gardner, who could probably be considered the founder of Wicca, wrote “Witchcraft Today,” wherein he claimed that the cult Murray described was real and still active, and based elements of it on his 1949 fantasy novel, adding bits of other occult groups’ rituals, such as the Rosicrucians, and plagiarizing Aleister Crowley’s rituals, which ticked off the rather touchy members of Crowley’s OTO organization. Many of the sexual rituals seem to have been created by Gardner so he could carry on an adulterous relationship with Edith Grimes, a fellow member of a British nudist club, under a religious context.
  3. Doreen Valiente, a proto-feminist, was upset enough about the plagiarism of Crowley to force Gardner to add more female-centric rituals, make him her High Priestess, and to add more goddess-worship.
  4. Much of the “ancient wisdom” claimed to be part of the Wiccan faith is actually a lot younger than I am. The “Rule of Three-Fold” (whatever you do comes back to you three times) only dates from an article published by Raymond Buckland in 1968.
I tend to be suspicious of movements that pop up in recent times and claim that they have protected secret knowledge over the course of centuries, whether that is Wicca, Ninja societies, or The Secret Church. I am a member of a religion that can trace its lineage back for two millennia, Wicca just seems fairly parvenu to me. I’d no more trust spiritual insights from Gardner than I would L. Ron Hubbard.

Is this nouveaux religion a belief system to which you feel comfortable entrusting your immortal soul, presuming you still feel you have a soul?
 
The late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen said towards the end of his life, “If you want your kids to defend their Faith send them to a public school, if you want them to lose their Faith send them to a Catholic School.”

Our Catholic schools, for the most part (yes, there are exceptions, but that’s what they are…exceptions), have failed and should be either cleaned up or closed down. Catholic education has been so watered down and vitiated as to be more harmful than good.
As someone who experienced public elementary and middle school, two years of catholic high schooling and another in a public school, has a protestant mother, and is currently discerning the priesthood, I can attest to this! 👍
 
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