Catholic Etiquette questions

[oldgraymare2]

DoxieMama,

I had mentioned in my previous post that you do not have to be enrolled in order to wear the brown scapular. You can have a priest bless it for you, and you can wear it.

However, it is nice to be enrolled, if that is what you want to do.

 

[DoxieMama]

Thanks for the info Oldgraymare2!

 

[oldgraymare2]

You’re welcome, DoxieMama.

 

[AnnArbor]

Veiling is no longer required of faithful Catholic women, but some people still do. It’s not forbidden. Veiling is kind of a “hot topic” here…usually garnering heated debate.

Just a quick clarification–“veiling” was never required in Catholicism and is purely a fashion choice. Prior to the current Code of Canon Law, women were required to wear head coverings --most wore hats, unless mantillas were part of their cultural tradition (eg Italians), or they were American women who were part of the Jackie Kennedy influence.

The term ‘veiling’ is recent, and not part of Catholic tradition.

 

[pianistclare]

Just a quick clarification–“veiling” was never required in Catholicism and is purely a fashion choice. Prior to the current Code of Canon Law, women were required to wear head coverings --most wore hats, unless mantillas were part of their cultural tradition (eg Italians), or they were American women who were part of the Jackie Kennedy influence.

The term ‘veiling’ is recent, and not part of Catholic tradition.

This again?
No one in the American Southwest were "influenced " by Jackie Kennedy.
Veiling is something people who came from Spain always did. My family wore them since coming here in 1545.
Also, Catholic school children everywhere. Regardless of whether it was in some document. That was why it went away provably. There’s not a lot of virtue in a child pinning a Kleenex to their head because they forgot their veil.
Everyone who went for a visit with the Pope in those days got handed a mantilla.
As I recall, some famous First Lady years later. refused to wear it.

But no, Jackie Kennedy did not start a veiling “fashion”.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

European Catholic women in Australia wear veils to Mass. Seen a couple of anglo-aussies veiling as well. I don’t veil but have no problem with those that do if it helps them with their spirituality.

In Europe many women would not be caught without a veil/mantilla at Mass. They have been veiling for centuries there. It is not a fashion choice, it assists them in their spiritual and worship life.

My Bishop said Catholic woman can wear a veil in any Catholic Church in the world if she so chooses. It is not forbidden nor considered rude.

When we visited the Holy Land a couple of years ago I veiled to enter the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and Church of the Nativity. It is considered rude and disrespectful not to.

It’s like taking communion, some kneel, some stand, some take it in the hand, others in the mouth. None of these methods are forbidden or rude.

It’s a personal choice.

 

[AnnArbor]

This again?
No one in the American Southwest were "influenced " by Jackie Kennedy.
Veiling is something people who came from Spain always did. My family wore them since coming here in 1545.
Also, Catholic school children everywhere. Regardless of whether it was in some document. That was why it went away provably. There’s not a lot of virtue in a child pinning a Kleenex to their head because they forgot their veil.
Everyone who went for a visit with the Pope in those days got handed a mantilla.
As I recall, some famous First Lady years later. refused to wear it.

But no, Jackie Kennedy did not start a veiling “fashion”.

That’s why I said, “unless it was part of a cultural tradition.” My main point isn’t the use of mantillas --my mother wore one. They’re pretty. But I often see on these boards in reference to “veiling” as if the custom of covering ones head was infused with some quasi-religious-order significance. “Veiling” is not part of Catholic tradition for lay women, nor was it ever referred to that way.

 

[BartholomewB]

Does anyone happen to wear the brown scapular? May I ask why one needs to be enrolled in an order? I need to learn more about that.

So do I. I thought the brown scapular it was a strictly Carmelite thing, but from some of the comments on this thread it looks as though any priest can do the enrolling. Is that so, or have I misunderstood?

Although the brown scapular seems to be the commonest nowadays, there are about a dozen different scapulars altogether, I believe, each color being associated with a particular order or confraternity.

 

[BartholomewB]

It’s like taking communion, some kneel, some stand, some take it in the hand, others in the mouth. None of these methods are forbidden or rude.

It’s a personal choice.

From what I’ve read on some threads here, there are priests in the United States who would tell you differently. Some of them seem to think they have the right to ban kneeling and to impose absolute uniformity.

Where I live, in Brazil, the kneeling/standing and tongue/hand breakdown seems to be much the same in just about every parish where I have attended mass. About 80 percent standing, in the hand; about 10 percent standing, on the tongue; and about 10 percent kneeling, on the tongue. No priest would ever presume to disrespect the communicant’s choice. Such grossly offensive behavior would be unthinkable.

 

[pensmama87]

So do I. I thought the brown scapular it was a strictly Carmelite thing, but from some of the comments on this thread it looks as though any priest can do the enrolling. Is that so, or have I misunderstood?

Although the brown scapular seems to be the commonest nowadays, there are about a dozen different scapulars altogether, I believe, each color being associated with a particular order or confraternity.

Yes, any priest can enroll a person in the brown scapular. See the link pianistclare provided earlier in the thread.

 

[DoxieMama]

Thanks for the info regarding the brown scapular. My grandmother grew up Catholic and a green scapular was handed down to my mother.

The green and brown scapulars are the only ones I’m aware of. I didn’t realize there were other colors.

Scapulars are called sacramentals, right? I appreciate the use of sacramentals in helping remind me to be faithful even outside of Mass. I love our faith so much!

 

[pianistclare]

That’s why I said, “unless it was part of a cultural tradition.” My main point isn’t the use of mantillas --my mother wore one. They’re pretty. But I often see on these boards in reference to “veiling” as if the custom of covering ones head was infused with some quasi-religious-order significance. “Veiling” is not part of Catholic tradition for lay women, nor was it ever referred to that way.

Agreed.
They get it from biblical passages.
It also has NOTHING to do with Jackie O.

 

[pianistclare]

Thanks for the info regarding the brown scapular. My grandmother grew up Catholic and a green scapular was handed down to my mother.

The green and brown scapulars are the only ones I’m aware of. I didn’t realize there were other colors.

Scapulars are called sacramentals, right? I appreciate the use of sacramentals in helping remind me to be faithful even outside of Mass. I love our faith so much!

It’s not about colors, it’s about the prayer associated with, and the results desired. The green scapulars are for conversion, for ex.

 

[LightBound]

Agreed.
They get it from biblical passages.
It also has NOTHING to do with Jackie O.

The popularity of the mantilla, especially the black lace one, did increase among the non-Italian, non-Latina women back in the 1960’s for Mass after Mrs Kennedy was seen wearing one. Prior to that, most Catholic women of Irish, Anglo, or German and Dutch heritage usually wore hats at Mass. Jackie did popularize the beauty and ease of the lacy covering which could be folded in a handbag or glove box, but when we share that bit of history, we often to forget our Catholic sisters of Italian and Spanish or Mexican heritage had long been wearing these delicate lace coverings way before Jackie donned one when meeting the Pope.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

From what I’ve read on some threads here, there are priests in the United States who would tell you differently. Some of them seem to think they have the right to ban kneeling and to impose absolute uniformity.

Where I live, in Brazil, the kneeling/standing and tongue/hand breakdown seems to be much the same in just about every parish where I have attended mass. About 80 percent standing, in the hand; about 10 percent standing, on the tongue; and about 10 percent kneeling, on the tongue. No priest would ever presume to disrespect the communicant’s choice. Such grossly offensive behavior would be unthinkable.

Cardinal Arinze former Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith and Liturgy of Worship on receiving communion in youtube clip below.

Have to watch to the end re: receiving Eucharist. He says that those around the world " (he specifically mentions the U.S.) who want to receive kneeling and on the tongue be allowed full freedom and left in peace and not in pieces." Love Cardinal Arinze.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM

 

[Vico]

Thanks for the info regarding the brown scapular. My grandmother grew up Catholic and a green scapular was handed down to my mother.

The green and brown scapulars are the only ones I’m aware of. I didn’t realize there were other colors.

Scapulars are called sacramentals, right? I appreciate the use of sacramentals in helping remind me to be faithful even outside of Mass. I love our faith so much!

I found that there are nineteen scapulars available. I wear the Fivefold (enrolled separately in White, Brown, Black, and Marian Blue).

Fivefold:

1. Trinitarians (White)
2. Carmelites (Confraternity of Our Lady of Mount Carmel) (Brown or Black)
3. Servites (Confraternity of the Servi B. Mariae Virginis) (Black)
4. Theatines/Marian (Blue)
5. Lazarists - Passion (Red)

Others:
2. Mercederians (Ransom) (White)
7. Our Lady the Help of the Sick (Black)
8. Fathers of the Precious Blood (Red)
9. Passionists - Passion (Black)
10. Sacred Heart of Jesus / Mother of Mercy (White)
11. Immaculate Heart of Mary (White)
12. St. Joseph (Capuchin) (Violet/Gold)
13. St. Benedict (White)
14. Holy Face (White)
15. Augustinians - Mother of Good Counsel (White)
16. Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary (White)
17. St. Michael the Archangel (Black & Blue)
18. St. Dominic (Dominicans) - (White)

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[BartholomewB]

Cardinal Arinze former Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith and Liturgy of Worship on receiving communion in youtube clip below.

Have to watch to the end re: receiving Eucharist. He says that those around the world " (he specifically mentions the U.S.) who want to receive kneeling and on the tongue be allowed full freedom and left in peace and not in pieces." Love Cardinal Arinze.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM

**Savingrace, **Thank you for that. I always had great admiration for Cardinal Arinze.

Is it only in the U.S., I wonder, that so many bishops have allowed themselves to be carried away by this unpleasant foolishness? How long will they persist in their error?

Regards
Bart

 

[7_Sorrows]

Cardinal Arinze former Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith and Liturgy of Worship on receiving communion in youtube clip below.

Have to watch to the end re: receiving Eucharist. He says that those around the world " (he specifically mentions the U.S.) who want to receive kneeling and on the tongue be allowed full freedom and left in peace and not in pieces." Love Cardinal Arinze.

youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0g3UMRtMM

When I converted from the episcopal/anglican church to the Catholic Church I really missed and still do the altar rails. If Rome did not instruct them to be removed - why were they removed? Was it mainly in the U.D. they were removed or everywhere? The Cardinal is a very wise man.

 

[Vico]

When I converted from the episcopal/anglican church to the Catholic Church I really missed and still do the altar rails. If Rome did not instruct them to be removed - why were they removed? Was it mainly in the U.D. they were removed or everywhere? The Cardinal is a very wise man.

The pastors made the decision after the bishops allowed communion standing.

Eucharisticum mysterium, the Sacred Congregation of Rites, 1967, No. 34: In accordance with the custom of the Church, the faithful may receive communion either kneeling or standing. One or the other practice is to be chosen according to the norms laid down by the conference of bishops.
Since Communion came to be distributed standing and by more than one minister, the rail could sometimes be an obstacle, also an obsticle because later the indult was granted to receive under both species, in the US, on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation (granted October 13, 1984).

 

[7_Sorrows]

The pastors made the decision after the bishops allowed communion standing.

Eucharisticum mysterium, the Sacred Congregation of Rites, 1967, No. 34: In accordance with the custom of the Church, the faithful may receive communion either kneeling or standing. One or the other practice is to be chosen according to the norms laid down by the conference of bishops.
Since Communion came to be distributed standing and by more than one minister, the rail could sometimes be an obstacle, also an obsticle because later the indult was granted to receive under both species, in the US, on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation (granted October 13, 1984).

Ok. Thanks. I thought maybe because of a time restraint. They are able to finish sooner if everyone does not need to process to the altar rail and they can station Eucharistic Ministers at different spots.