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paramedicgirl
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The Church has never canonized a false saint. St Veronica was real.
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paramedicgirl
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Technically, yes, but it was the Pharisees who had Jesus put to death.
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patrick457
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More specifically, it’s a combined force (since the Tsdoki, aka Sadducees are thought to dominate the Sanhedrin). The P’rushim, aka Pharisees, although popular and respected, really did not have political power. Rather, they only had the power of persuasion.
If you’ll look at it, Jesus was actually closer to the Pharisees than the Sadducees (notice that on one or two occasions, He has dined with a Pharisee while there is no record that He ever went to a Sadducee dinner).
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consumedconvert
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Okay, I’ve got a few odd ones that aren’t Catholic, but…
A poor elderly black man in Northwest Florida–practically Alabama, actually–who was probably old-Bible-Belt Baptist or Pentecostal (guessing by the demographics) told me that Mary used to go around handing out Baby Jesus’ used diapers, which people would touch to be healed.
An old Russian legend: “Only corpses sleep with their feet toward the door.” Lesson: turn your bed around!
A poor elderly black man in Northwest Florida–practically Alabama, actually–who was probably old-Bible-Belt Baptist or Pentecostal (guessing by the demographics) told me that Mary used to go around handing out Baby Jesus’ used diapers, which people would touch to be healed.
An old Russian legend: “Only corpses sleep with their feet toward the door.” Lesson: turn your bed around!
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patrick457
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That is taken from the Arabic Infancy Gospel (6th c.)
Aside from Jesus’ diaper that heals people, the gospel also relates the sweat of Jesus that turns into balm which can cure leprosy.
There is a similar superstition in the Philippines, the only difference is this is because one mode of burying the dead is by entering the coffin in concrete aboveground sarcophaguses or shelf-like structures in that direction.
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peary
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**But they didn’t; that’s the thing. The Jews had no say-so in Roman law. The Romans crucified Christ because He claimed to be God, and you couldn’t have that when you swore allegiance to the Roman emperor, who was a god himself in the Roman pantheon of gods. Groups of Jews brought the attention of Jesus’s claim to the Romans and this is what started the ball rolling. They painted him as a trouble-maker and political instigator.
And, again, the Creeds are very specific about who is to blame for the death of Christ: Pontius Pilate. The Jews are not mentioned.**
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consumedconvert
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That is taken from the Arabic Infancy Gospel (6th c.)
Aside from Jesus’ diaper that heals people, the gospel also relates the sweat of Jesus that turns into balm which can cure leprosy.
Ah, I thought it might have links to a “forgotten gospel.” How is it that the Church Fathers rejected that one as spurious?
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consumedconvert
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I believe the wider point is, we all put Jesus to death.
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peary
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The post was a response to those who insist that it were the Jews specifically who were responsible for the death of Jesus.
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consumedconvert
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Indeed. My post simply points out that we don’t need to blame Jews, Romans, or anyone else as “responsible.” We all were.
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patrick457
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Well, it was of quite late authorship and it’s mostly ‘pious fiction’, which is very much a collection of folk stories, traditions and such.patrick457;3622733:
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Aside from Jesus’ diaper that heals people, the gospel also relates the sweat of Jesus that turns into balm which can cure leprosy.
Ah, I thought it might have links to a “forgotten gospel.” How is it that the Church Fathers rejected that one as spurious?
It is even said by some that since parts of the narrative appear in the Quran, it might have been popular and well-known amongst Arabic-speaking Christians at that time.
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mercygate
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mercygate
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Many people we know as saints achieved their titles by acclamation or general consensus before the canonization process was codified in the late 16th Century. The canonizations of that process are part of the Magisterium.
Saints who came before that are considered to have been named saints by virtue of the prophetic mission of the Church.
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LRThunder
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Because they were sad, you see.More specifically, it’s a combined force (since the Tsdoki, aka Sadducees are thought to dominate the Sanhedrin). The P’rushim, aka Pharisees, although popular and respected, really did not have political power. Rather, they only had the power of persuasion.
If you’ll look at it, Jesus was actually closer to the Pharisees than the Sadducees (notice that on one or two occasions, He has dined with a Pharisee while there is no record that He ever went to a Sadducee dinner).
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patrick457
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But they were not Far, I see.Because they were sad, you see.
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HashemEchad
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I said something like that once on this forum, and was accused by a Catholic of being anti-Catholic for saying it. I still can’t figure THAT one out!
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Yerusalyim
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The High Priest was a Sadducee. I concur that the Theology of Jesus was MUCH closer to that of the Pharisees, which is one reason I think he was so hard on them…they should know better. But, while the Sanhedrin may have WANTED Jesus death (or not…and remember, the FULL Sanhedrin didn’t meet, just the advisory council of the High Priest who was a political pawn of Rome) at any rate, the Sanhedrin did NOT have the authority to issue a death penalty.More specifically, it’s a combined force (since the Tsdoki, aka Sadducees are thought to dominate the Sanhedrin). The P’rushim, aka Pharisees, although popular and respected, really did not have political power. Rather, they only had the power of persuasion.
If you’ll look at it, Jesus was actually closer to the Pharisees than the Sadducees (notice that on one or two occasions, He has dined with a Pharisee while there is no record that He ever went to a Sadducee dinner).
Again, WE ALL AS SINNERS bear the responsibility for the death of Christ.
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peary
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This is true. Saints used to be proclaimed by the bishops and the people in their own individual dioceses. But even today, the canonization process begins at the grass roots level, with the people petitioning the bishop to open the process at the diocesan level. When that occurs, and the investigation is completed, it moves on to Rome where the process continues and is eventually completed for the whole Church.
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