Catholic folk legends from before Vatican II

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  1. Anti-Semitism…the Jews didn’t crucify Christ, the Romans did…and all sinners bear that guilt.
Not to hijack this thread, but after seeing “The Passion of the Christ” and having heard the protests of anti-Semitism, I was surprised that Italian-Americans (or Italian nationals, for that matter) didn’t complain. The Roman torturers were portrayed as obviously relishing their work.
 
Not to hijack this thread, but after seeing “The Passion of the Christ” and having heard the protests of anti-Semitism, I was surprised that Italian-Americans (or Italian nationals, for that matter) didn’t complain. The Roman torturers were portrayed as obviously relishing their work.
Actually, some Italian-American did complain, but not enough, IMO.
 
Actually, some Italian-American did complain, but not enough, IMO.
LOL. Gibson crafted the scourging scenes to resemble nothing so much as a KKK attack. Even the dialogue: “Faciam musicam!” (Let’s make music) was reminiscent of the scene in The Cardinal when the priest was beaten and left for dead – because he was BOTH Black AND Catholic.
 
LOL. Gibson crafted the scourging scenes to resemble nothing so much as a KKK attack. Even the dialogue: “Faciam musicam!” (Let’s make music) was reminiscent of the scene in The Cardinal when the priest was beaten and left for dead – because he was BOTH Black AND Catholic.
I am offended by that film on TWO accounts: as a Jew, and as an Italian-American (my mom was an Italian-American of Spanish descent who converted to Orthodox Judaism, and my dad was an American Jew of Russian descent.)
 
I am offended by that film on TWO accounts: as a Jew, and as an Italian-American (my mom was an Italian-American of Spanish descent who converted to Orthodox Judaism, and my dad was an American Jew of Russian descent.)
I’m not Italian, but my husband is, on both sides. After I saw the film with him and his cousin, I remarked that I was surprised Italians weren’t protesting even more than the Jewish people were. They didn’t disagree with me, but they weren’t vociferous in their assent, either.
 
I am offended by that film on TWO accounts: as a Jew, and as an Italian-American (my mom was an Italian-American of Spanish descent who converted to Orthodox Judaism, and my dad was an American Jew of Russian descent.)
Oh, Pshaw! There was no anti-semitism in Gibson’s film whatsoever. You have a creative habit of exaggeration.
 
Quite possibly they did. Nowadays, of course, if “modernized” nuns still taught school, the story would be that on the side of the ship was painted:

** EVEN THE MOTHER GODDESS CANNOT SINK THIS PATRIARCHAL, CLASS CONSCIOUS, FUEL GUZZLING, GLOBAL WARMING SHIP**
You got a laugh out of me on this one
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
As for The Passion:
I don’t see anything Anti-Semitic about Jews (and Romans) conspiring against a Jew (unless I’ve been under a rock all these years); plus, since Catholicism officially teaches that everyone is, in a sense a ‘Christ-killer’, we all have a right to be offended. 😉

My major gripe about Mel’s film is that it does not give enough context on why Jesus got killed and why the Jewish and Roman authorities acted the way they did (as it starts in medias res), which I think is the source for arguments about Mel’s film being ‘Anti-Semitic’ (I also think that this term is, sadly becoming a bit misused in our society today); it would have been better if the film also flashbacked to Caiaphas’ words to the Sanhedrin, which gives a proper context on why he had Jesus killed:
So the chief priests and the Pharisees convened the Sanhedrin and said, “What are we going to do? This man is performing many signs. If we leave him alone, all will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our land and our nation.”
But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing, nor do you consider that it is better for you that one man should die instead of the people, so that the whole nation may not perish.”
(He did not say this on his own, but since he was high priest for that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, and not only for the nation, but also to gather into one the dispersed children of God.)
So from that day on they planned to kill him.
John 11: 47-53
 
Actually, I read somewhere a long time ago that all cats are tabby cats with M’s on their heads, even solid color cats! I didn’t believe it until I acquired a black cat, and when you see her in natural daylight, she is actually very dark brown with black stripes.
How about the dogwood tree was the tree that Christ was crucified on and has the marks of Christ on its blooms?
Or, mane coon cats have an ‘M’ on their heads because Mary blessed the cat who cuddled up to the baby Jesus in the manger (this one i’d like to believe).
Because baby Jesus was cold, and the cat brought her kittens to Him in the manger, and they all slept with Him & kept Him warm.

It is a * beautiful* story, that I would like to believe also…
 
Nu-uh, the sign over Jesus’ head on the cross didn’t say ‘this is Jesus of Nazareth who claimed to be God’, instead it was ‘King of the Jews’.

See the Pantheon in Rome was full of statues of non-Roman Gods from all over the Empire. In fact in later years a statue of Christ Himself was put in there among them by pagan Romans. They weren’t really exclusivists in their worship, except with Christians because at particular times Christians themselves were labelled as troublemakers (critical of Rome) and perverted in their worship.

Jesus was executed because He spoke of being a king (or at least of having a kingdom) and the Romans couldn’t have THAT when Caesar was around. This is the significance of Pilate saying ‘you want me to crucify your King?’ and the crowd responding ‘we have no king but Caesar’. He didn’t give a stuff about whether Jesus claimed to be God.
Another reason Christ was executed is that both the Romans and Jews, but especially the Jewish hierarchy in the temple, saw him as a threat to societal order. ie. His saying all are equal, man, woman and child, rich and poor alike. They were afraid if too many people listened to Him the priests would start losing thieir temple profits and of course their power with the people.

The “King of the Jews” sign was put on Jesus’ Cross by Pilate as a dig to the temple priests. I have never heard of a statue of Christ being placed among the other statues of gods by the Romans. I do remember when, Paul, I believe, (?) visited/preached? in Greece, he found a platform in one of the temples with nothing on it. When he asked what it was, he was told it was in honor of the “unknown” God.
 
Bottom line is that Jesus died so we could be redeemed from our sins. All of our sins crucified him. In my prayers I always apologize for those lashes, thorns and nails that I caused by my own sinfulness. We were each to blame.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Yes, Patrick 457, some Jews can be anti-Semitic. I think those Jews who push partial-birth abortion, which is against the teachings of orthodox Judaism, certainly are anti-Semitic. We surely have some of those people in my state–California.

Also, you are right, Deacon Ed, the sins of all of us helped to kill Christ. We have all helped put the nails in. May He forgive us.
 
Sorry, Partrick 457, I reread you post, and now I realize that you were trying to say that Jews coniving against a Jew cannot be considered anti-Semitic. In a certain sense I can agree with that, but when a Jewish person or persons conive or sin against the teachings of their own religion, it could be considered anti-Semitic, or at least mortally sinful. Just a a thought.
 
Yes, Patrick 457, some Jews can be anti-Semitic. I think those Jews who push partial-birth abortion, which is against the teachings of orthodox Judaism, certainly are anti-Semitic. We surely have some of those people in my state–California.

Also, you are right, Deacon Ed, the sins of all of us helped to kill Christ. We have all helped put the nails in. May He forgive us.
I would certainly agree with you on the first paragraph…secular and nonreligious Jews who advocate for abortion are not only committing a grave aveira (sin) for advocating the destruction of unborn life, they are also creating a tremendous Chillul Hashem (desecration of God’s Name.) Because not only does it bring about the deaths of unborn babies, it causes nonJews to think poorly of the Torah and the Jewish faith, when they see people with Jewish names doing such things.

The same holds true for those Jews who advocate for homosexuality.
 
Thank you, Hachem Echad, for your comment. I find that most orthodox Jews and orthodox Catholics agree on many things.
 
To kinda get back on track here…

Not a Catholic legend I don’t believe but many places here in the south people believe that you must be buried facing east so you can rise to meet Jesus when he comes again. Almost all of the graveyards (especially the small town ones or church ones) have everyone buried there facing east. My grandpa is an adamant believer in this, too. I don’t believe it but its interesting just the same.
 
To kinda get back on track here…

Not a Catholic legend I don’t believe but many places here in the south people believe that you must be buried facing east so you can rise to meet Jesus when he comes again. Almost all of the graveyards (especially the small town ones or church ones) have everyone buried there facing east. My grandpa is an adamant believer in this, too. I don’t believe it but its interesting just the same.
That is true of European cemeteries too. But it used to be the belief of the Catholic Church with regard to the altar - always facing East. The same with the Orthodox churches.
 
I once heard a priest commenting that lhe will be buried next ot his mother. As a lay person she is buried facing east. As a priest he will be buried facing west; so that he will rise facing his people. He knows his mother’s response will be to immediately tell him to turn around, He is over there.
 
To kinda get back on track here…

Not a Catholic legend I don’t believe but many places here in the south people believe that you must be buried facing east so you can rise to meet Jesus when he comes again. Almost all of the graveyards (especially the small town ones or church ones) have everyone buried there facing east. My grandpa is an adamant believer in this, too. I don’t believe it but its interesting just the same.
That is actually a traditional Christian custom, related to the practice of facing Ad Orientem in both private prayers and public liturgies (the Orthodox still bury their dead in this way; in fact, when a cross is placed at the grave, it is not normally placed at the head of the grave, but at the foot, so that as the faithful stand at the grave and pray facing the cross, they will be facing East).

Formerly there was actually a rule that during a funeral Mass, a layman’s feet should be turned towards the Altar (i.e. the East), while in later times another custom was introduced in that a Cleric (say a Priest or Bishop) should have his head towards the Altar, thus facing the flock which they have served in their lifetime.

In the 12th Century, Bishop Hildebert alluded to the custom and its symbolism is discussed by Guillaume Durand (aka Durandus of Mende):

“A man ought so to be buried that while his head lies to the West his feet are turned to the East, for thus he prays as it were by his very position and suggests that he is ready to hasten from the West to the East…”
 
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