Catholic Folk Masses--Uncomfortable?

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I don’t know why people have to use vulgarities and insulting language when stating their taste in music.

I like some praise and worship type music very much. I find it uplifting. Acoustic guitar, well played, is great. I also enjoy some older music as well, and like some of the ancient pieces. All of these eras have some pieces that are better than others.

As far as Protestants, many non-Catholic churches have excellent, professionally done music. The Episcopalians, in particular, have well done services from start to finish. Some Protestants have more contemporary music. African American and Southern churches often have gospel music, which can be awesome.

Some Catholic Churches, such as mine, have mediocre traditional music that is uninspiring, with poor participation and weak to non-existent choirs.
 
Maybe if you live somewhere that doesn’t offer a lot of Masses, this could be a problem. I hope you can find a Mass that expresses the reverence you’re seeking.

In my home parish, there are 3 regular old NO Masses on Sunday and one on Saturday evening, the kind that use the music of the last 40 years. At noon, there’s a man playing a guitar, the same guy that was playing in 1965 when we moved to this parish. Once a month, some teen-agers play guitars at that Mass instead. They play different music, more contemporary. I don’t care for that music because it doesn’t sound like it’s quite gelled to me. It’s more like a bunch of notes strung together. I avoid those Masses and if I end up at one of them, that’s what I get for being too lazy to get up earlier. At 3pm every Sunday, we have an old fashioned all in Latin facing the altar kneel down for Communion type Mass.

The parish where I sing has the Saturday evening Mass and 2 Sunday morning Masses with the music of the last 40 years. Once a month, the teens play either on Saturday or the 11am Mass on Sunday, but they play the same music. I sing with the choir at the 9am, and occassionally cantor the 11am without the choir. Except for the hugging that so many people do at the Our Father, I love the 9am Mass, and it’s otherwise quite reverent.

There are so many Masses of every possbile style and language in St. Louis, you should be able to find something that has the right reverence for you.

I’m not sure what people mean about the Mass getting a Protestant tone. I’ve been to two Baptist services which are nothing like a Mass in any way, and to several services at the UCC church where my sister’s family worships. They were very nice pleasant services, and the music was very well done and I like the songs. Last summer I was visiting some friends, went to Mass at 7am and then met them at their Christian church for the 8am service there. They sang songs I’ve been singing since 1954 when my mother started teaching me the songs she sang at Mass, very pleasant too. What I see at Mass is nothing like anything I’ve ever seen at another church, so I kind of don’t get it.
Boldface mine. You are so correct. Protestant worship services are NOTHING like a Mass. I grew up evangelical Protestant, and have been involved with other Protestant churches, and it’s NOTHING like a Catholic Mass, even the most “contemporary” Catholic Mass.

I don’t see how anyone can find any similiarities, other than the fact that we are both proclaiming Jesus Christ the Son of God, Savior. That’s about it. (And that’s why Mormons should not be included in the list when you mention Protestants, for they do not proclaim this.)

Contemporary music in the Catholic Church? That’s such a laugh!! At the Life Teen Mass in our parish, most of the music is at least 20 years old. I used to do some of those songs with the children in my children’s church services in the Christian and Missionary Alliance church!

And the so-called “folk” music is much older, at least 40 years old, and some of it is almost a hundred years old. Check the dates of some of those hymns that you all hate so much.

Most evangelical Protestant churches do NOT do this kind of music anymore, and actually never did.

Sometimes our youth group meetings would feature the type of songs that some of you are calling “folk.” But not the worship services.

Evangelical Protestant churches do a lot of the Praise and Worship songs nowadays, which is so simplistic compared with the beautiful Catholic hymns and their metaphorical language that the St. Louis Jesuits have written. Don’t even think of comparing them. A lot of P&W music consists of one phrase repeated over and over again, often several dozen times. And usually the P&W music is accompanied by what we used to call a “geezer rock” band–a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who play acoustic and electric guitars, drums, keyboards, and sometimes horns or woodwinds.

Sometimes the wealthier Protestant churches will have an orchestral accompaniment (with string and brass instruments) and do more traditional hymns and traditional praise music (Sandi Patti, Keith Green, Evie Tournquist, some of the vintage Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith, etc.)

And also, many Protestant churches will feature a REAL rock band (not a group of volunteer geezers!), who play pretty good rock music. So far, I’ve never seen this at Life Teen–all the Life Teen musicians are teenagers who usually aren’t very professional-sounding.

But folk music–I don’t know where y’all visit Protestant churches (HAVE any of you visited Protestant churches lately?), but folk music–🤷. Haven’t heard it for decades. And I don’t remember much of it back when I was growing up Protestant in the 60s and 70s.

I wish that some of you who keep comparing Mass to Protestant worship services would spend some time actually visiting Protestant churches. You would quickly see how incorrect you are.

A lot of Catholics throw around the term “Protestant” to describe abuses in their Masses and music that is not chant or classical. I WISH THEY WOULD STOP DOING THIS! They have no idea how ignorant that sounds to Protestants. Protestants would laugh at some of the comparisons on this Board. This is the kind of thing that hurts the Catholic Church, because Protestants would say, “Well, Catholics have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to church music and Protestants. How can I be confident that they have any idea what they’re talking about when it comes to Bible, theology, history, etc? They’re all full of it. Obviously they don’t know what they’re talking about and I’m not going to listen to ignorant people…”
 
Contemporary music in the Catholic Church? That’s such a laugh!! At the Life Teen Mass in our parish, most of the music is at least 20 years old. I used to do some of those songs with the children in my children’s church services in the Christian and Missionary Alliance church!
This is true in my experience too. In Catholic parishes that institute some sort of Praise and Worship music the music itself seldom seems to have been composed in the last decade. I’m not sure why that is.
Evangelical Protestant churches do a lot of the Praise and Worship songs nowadays, which is so simplistic compared with the beautiful Catholic hymns and their metaphorical language that the St. Louis Jesuits have written.
😃

Nothing very constructive to add here. Just wanted to say that I don’t believe that I have ever seen the word “beautiful” and the words “St. Louis Jesuits” in the same sentence before. It caught me off guard.

But, to each his/her own, I guess…to a point.
Keith Green
I know it’s a bit off topic but isn’t he the guy who set up some sort of anti-Catholic organization in the 80’s before he died?
And also, many Protestant churches will feature a REAL rock band (not a group of volunteer geezers!), who play pretty good rock music. So far, I’ve never seen this at Life Teen–all the Life Teen musicians are teenagers who usually aren’t very professional-sounding.
I’ve got about a decade worth of Life Teen experience and I have never seen teenagers in any of the bands.

I’m not much of a fan of P&W music in the Mass but the musicians I have encountered have all been very talented. Actually quite a few of them were/are professional musicians whose day job (or I guess that might be night job) was in a real rock band.

God bless,

James
 
I know it’s a bit off topic but isn’t he the guy who set up some sort of anti-Catholic organization in the 80’s before he died?
We were major Keith Green fans; saw him in concert 2 weeks before he (and his children) died. Last Days Ministries, to my knowledge, was never anti-Catholic. Many of Keith Green’s songs are very “Catholic,” IMO.
I’ve got about a decade worth of Life Teen experience and I have never seen teenagers in any of the bands.
I’m not much of a fan of P&W music in the Mass but the musicians I have encountered have all been very talented. Actually quite a few of them were/are professional musicians whose day job (or I guess that might be night job) was in a real rock band.
God bless,
That’s interesting. Our Life Teen Mass music is done almost entirely by the teens. The sponsor sings lead and plays lead guitar, but all the others (keyboard, drums, other guitars, singers) are teenagers. At least one of those teenagers entered a convent (contemplative prayer), and others are discerning vocations to the priesthood or religious life. I think there’s something very special about that keyboard bench!
 
I really enjoy Masses that have these sorts of songs. Lots of the songs are really inspirational and uplifting. Some of these songs are great! I also like a little bit more laid back atmosphere that is friendlier.
It may seem “friendlier” to you but being more “laid back” makes it no more friendly than traditional. Maybe less reverant and serious just seems friendlier to you.
 
It may seem “friendlier” to you but being more “laid back” makes it no more friendly than traditional. Maybe less reverant and serious just seems friendlier to you.
I don’t think praising God in more modern music is less reverent, unless you equate reverence with serious. Serious people in church do tend to be less warm toward others I’ve noticed. They appear more wrapped up in their individual prayers, and seem to be more exacting and careful with what appears to me to be etiquette.

I prefer a less constrained atmosphere that is less exacting of individual behavior. I feel like Sunday Mass should be more of a communal affair, and all that entails. There’s plenty of time during the week for individual devotions and prayers.
 
I don’t think praising God in more modern music is less reverent, unless you equate reverence with serious. Serious people in church do tend to be less warm toward others I’ve noticed. They appear more wrapped up in their individual prayers, and seem to be more exacting and careful with what appears to me to be etiquette.

I prefer a less constrained atmosphere that is less exacting of individual behavior. I feel like Sunday Mass should be more of a communal affair, and all that entails. There’s plenty of time during the week for individual devotions and prayers.
I guess I would agree that I do equate reverence with seriousness. The Mass as a re-presentation of the sacrifice of Christ is very serious.

I also equate a more relaxed atmosphere with people taking their minds off why they are there and directing them at their neighbors. The Mass is us coming together to worship, however, I think sometimes we tend to worship in a more horizontal way rather than vertical. It is not about us interacting with each other. I think we need to keep our eye on the ball, so to speak. Have you tried praying before Mass with everyone around you visiting? 😦

That being said please don’t picture me sitting in the pew like a humbug. 😉 I always smile and greet my neighbor and sometimes I whisper to them. :eek:

I really didn’t mean to get hijack the thread and get off on all this. I just meant to point out that a serious, attentive person who is not interacting with their neighbor at Mass does not mean they are not as friendly as those who do. It might just “appear” that way.
 
We were major Keith Green fans; saw him in concert 2 weeks before he (and his children) died. Last Days Ministries, to my knowledge, was never anti-Catholic. Many of Keith Green’s songs are very “Catholic,” IMO.
Yep. That is the guy.

"Anti-Catholic fundamentalists are not necessarily old fogies. Exhibit number one: the late Keith Green…"
Karl Keating’s Catholicism and Fundamentalism


James
 
I have been to folk Masses where the music was just terrible. I’ve been to some where the music is good, but distracting.

There is a Church by me where a 12 year-old bangs out a drum solo and crashes cymbals during the Great Amen that rivals a mid 80’s Def Leppard concert. I find it distracting and irreverent.

Pastor seems to not mind it.
 
Our parish rotates the musical styles every Sunday. So, if you go to Mass at the same time every week, you will experience a varied range of musical styles. It’s an approach that works well for us. In my case, that means being distracted and less-than-inspired during the weeks that the organ/choir/traditional music is the mode of the week; but then I know others are getting a lot out of it. And the following week, they seem to have the same tolerance of the contemporary music I find uplifting, inspiring and conducive to a reverent personal attitude.
 
Every Mass at my parish has different types of music. The Sunday, 11:15 a.m. Mass has the folksy music that the OP describes, and I try to avoid attending that one because of it. The director is pretty self-centered and it’s clear that he only cares about the music. Every time the choir plays, it’s a full song and he can be seen “jamming” on his guitar (literally nodding his head borderline head banging).

When I can, I go to the Saturday evening Mass because it is more reserved and appropriate. I’m in RCIA, currently going through the Scrutinies, so I’ve had to attend the 11:15 Mass with its folksy music the past few weeks. One more Scrutiny and that will be the last time I attend the 11:15 Mass haha.

I’m not trying to sound stuck up about it. I just find the music very distracting and irreverant.
 
Our parish rotates the musical styles every Sunday. So, if you go to Mass at the same time every week, you will experience a varied range of musical styles.
I would think that most people would find that to be quite annoying. 🤷

James
 
I don’t think praising God in more modern music is less reverent, unless you equate reverence with serious. Serious people in church do tend to be less warm toward others I’ve noticed. They appear more wrapped up in their individual prayers, and seem to be more exacting and careful with what appears to me to be etiquette.

I prefer a less constrained atmosphere that is less exacting of individual behavior. I feel like Sunday Mass should be more of a communal affair, and all that entails. There’s plenty of time during the week for individual devotions and prayers.
I don’t agree. 😦 The Mass is supposed to be a serious sacrifice. Christ gave His life so that we might have eternal life! The Eternal Sacrifice is repeated in a bloodless sacrifice every time the Eucharist is consecrated on the altar.
Let the whole of humanity tremble, the whole world shake and the heavens exult when our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God, is present on the altar in the hands of a priest…
That the Lord of the universe, God and the Son of God, so humbles Himself that for our salvation 
He hides Himself under the little form of bread…Therefore, hold back nothing of yourselves for yourselves so that He who gives Himself totally to you may receive you totally.”—Francis of Assisi
 
I’m not sure why.
Because to some people, inappropriate music playing during the liturgy is distracting.
Personally it makes me want to punch a basket full of kittens, but I’m silly like that.🙂
 
I do. And even when I was a protestant in an ELCA Lutheran church I despised the “folk services”. VII did not call for “folk masses” and other happy clappy BS to be put into mass.
Does anyone feel as uncomfortable about Folk Masses as I do? I absolutely despise the songs that are song. One night, I had to go to one since I was unable to go in the morning and one of the choir members sang “Healing River.” I felt like I was in a Protestant church! :eek: The choir members participate more in the Mass than the priest does, and I don’t like that. Am I being factitious?? The offering of the Mass is always enjoyable, but I wish the Folk music and group would just be done away with. :dts:
 
I do. And even when I was a protestant in an ELCA Lutheran church I despised the “folk services”. VII did not call for “folk masses” and other happy clappy BS to be put into mass.
Some people might be offended by your post.
 
Because to some people, inappropriate music playing during the liturgy is distracting.
Personally it makes me want to punch a basket full of kittens, but I’m silly like that.🙂
I don’t think I ever said there was inappropriate music playing – I said it was contemporary.
 
I don’t think I ever said there was inappropriate music playing – I said it was contemporary.
The vast majority of contemporary music is inappropriate durring Mass. It’s fine for your ipod and for listening to in the car, it just doesn’t belong durring the Mass.
 
The vast majority of contemporary music is inappropriate durring Mass. It’s fine for your ipod and for listening to in the car, it just doesn’t belong durring the Mass.
Well, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
 
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