Catholic Fundamentalists?

[misericordie]

I was talking to a few priest friends of mine about a certain, non PONTIFICALLY approved religious NEW congregation which started in a certain SOUTH American Country in the 1980’s, and they said: “yup, those guys are Fundamentalists.” Many a priest has said this to me, and yes, I do find some members of that new congregation as very, very very authoritarian, and sarcastic actually.
How do you describe a Catholic Fundamentalist?? Is it a catholic who seeks to take away your free will be he a priest, or be he or she a lay person, or be she a NUN???

 

[Nan_S]

misericordie:

How do you describe a Catholic Fundamentalist??

Pope Benedict XVI (then known as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger), April 18, 2005, from his homily during the Mass convening the conclave of cardinals:
“How many winds of doctrine have we known over the last few decades! How many ideological currents! How many schools of thought! The little ship bearing the thoughts of many Christians has frequently been shaken by these waves, thrown from one extreme to the other: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertarianism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism, and so on. Every day new sects arise, and St. Paul’s words concerning the deception of men and the cunning that leads into error come true. Having a clear faith, according to the Creed of the Church, is often labeled as fundamentalism. While relativism, in other words allowing oneself to be ‘tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,’ appears as the only attitude appropriate to modern times, a dictatorship of relativism is being formed, one that recognizes nothing as definitive and that has as its measure only the self and its desires.”

 

[misericordie]

Nan S:

Pope Benedict XVI (then known as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger), April 18, 2005, from his homily during the Mass convening the conclave of cardinals:
“How many winds of doctrine have we known over the last few decades! How many ideological currents! How many schools of thought! The little ship bearing the thoughts of many Christians has frequently been shaken by these waves, thrown from one extreme to the other: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertarianism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism, and so on. Every day new sects arise, and St. Paul’s words concerning the deception of men and the cunning that leads into error come true. Having a clear faith, according to the Creed of the Church, is often labeled as fundamentalism. While relativism, in other words allowing oneself to be ‘tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,’ appears as the only attitude appropriate to modern times, a dictatorship of relativism is being formed, one that recognizes nothing as definitive and that has as its measure only the self and its desires.”

Totally agree with the Holy Father here. It would be interesting though to hear from the common foke, as to what they perceive as Catholic Fudamentalism. Some have said an extreme authoritarianism(which many a times leads to un- Charity) or arrogance. Arrogance would in my opinion fall par on par with cases of Catholic fundamentalism as well as with liberals. It would be great to examine Aquinas’ thoughts when he says that Virtue is at the CENTER of things. Therefore the opposite of Virtue would be EXTREMES which too often suffocate many a Catholic’s Free Will.

 

[misericordie]

misericordie:

Totally agree with the Holy Father here. It would be interesting though to hear from the common foke, as to what they perceive as Catholic Fudamentalism. Some have said an extreme authoritarianism(which many a times leads to un- Charity) or arrogance. Arrogance would in my opinion fall par on par with cases of Catholic fundamentalism as well as with liberals. It would be great to examine Aquinas’ thoughts when he says that Virtue is at the CENTER of things. Therefore the opposite of Virtue would be EXTREMES which too often suffocate many a Catholic’s Free Will.

Yup:clapping:

 

[rcn]

Responding “Yup” to your own post made only three hours before is a really lame way to “bump” your thread up higher in the list.

Are you still trying to stir up dirt on the priest that you are having the problem with? (The problem that you’ve refused to explain.) You’ve already had one thread deleted and another one locked up.

 

[misericordie]

rcn:

Responding “Yup” to your own post made only three hours before is a really lame way to “bump” your thread up higher in the list.

Are you still trying to stir up dirt on the priest that you are having the problem with? (The problem that you’ve refused to explain.) You’ve already had one thread deleted and another one locked up.

I think Freud and maybe his student Carl Jung (psychology) would tell you: STOP PROJECTING=projection. Or stop posting psychic hearsay on these posts.

 

[misericordie]

rcn:

Responding “Yup” to your own post made only three hours before is a really lame way to “bump” your thread up higher in the list.

Are you still trying to stir up dirt on the priest that you are having the problem with? (The problem that you’ve refused to explain.) You’ve already had one thread deleted and another one locked up.

After reading all your posts in various threads, it seems I am not the one that like to through “dirt” seems you have done much of that::yup: not to mention your** frequent sarcasm.**

 

[tuopaolo]

Nan S:

Pope Benedict XVI (then known as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger), April 18, 2005, from his homily during the Mass convening the conclave of cardinals:
“How many winds of doctrine have we known over the last few decades! How many ideological currents! How many schools of thought! The little ship bearing the thoughts of many Christians has frequently been shaken by these waves, thrown from one extreme to the other: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertarianism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism, and so on. Every day new sects arise, and St. Paul’s words concerning the deception of men and the cunning that leads into error come true. Having a clear faith, according to the Creed of the Church, is often labeled as fundamentalism. While relativism, in other words allowing oneself to be ‘tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine,’ appears as the only attitude appropriate to modern times, a dictatorship of relativism is being formed, one that recognizes nothing as definitive and that has as its measure only the self and its desires.”

I will quote these words and also his criticism of evolution in his homily in the Mass of installation every time an evolutionist calls me “fundamentalist.”

 

[misericordie]

tuopaolo:

I will quote these words and also his criticism of evolution in his homily in the Mass of installation every time an evolutionist calls me “fundamentalist.”

:yawn:

 

[tuopaolo]

You may yawn, but our Holy Father saw it fit to include a criticism of evolution in his homily so I think it is something to pay heed to since he is our Pastor and teacher.

“We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution”

 

[misericordie]

tuopaolo:

You may yawn, but our Holy Father saw it fit to include a criticism of evolution in his homily so I think it is something to pay heed to since he is our Pastor and teacher.

“We are not some casual and meaningless product of evolution”

Two things that are in the same plain: evolution and catholic fundamentalism=both are extremes.

 

[tuopaolo]

misericordie:

Two things that are in the same plain: evolution and catholic fundamentalism=both are extremes.

Except that Pope Benedict XVI differs from your asssesment: "Having a clear faith, according to the Creed of the Church, is often labeled as fundamentalism."

But let’s just agree to disagree

 

[usqueadmortem]

I think fundamentalism in the Catholic Church refers to a specific interpretation of Scripture. It is a staunch adherence to the literal sense. EG. Adam literally lived to be 600, or Moses really wrote the Penteteuch
Actually, I am a Traditional Catholic and some would describe me as a fundamentalist.
Usque.

 

[misericordie]

usqueadmortem:

I think fundamentalism in the Catholic Church refers to a specific interpretation of Scripture. It is a staunch adherence to the literal sense. EG. Adam literally lived to be 600, or Moses really wrote the Penteteuch
Actually, I am a Traditional Catholic and some would describe me as a fundamentalist.
Usque.

Actually this is NOT the “fundamentalism” I mean. Who is to say that Adam did NOT live to that age? After all, for God anything is possible. The type of fundamentalism I mean is an ULTRA conservative catholicism (and I am no liberal) that gets to the point where in the local parish etc a parish group, or even the parish priest or nun wants to CONTROL all aspects of their parish member’s lives, just because they belong to the parish. What ever happened to teach yes, but to CONTROL and step on free will, Not from God, sorry.