Catholic girly men

[Belloc_Fan]

While it’s true that there are differences between the sexes, the idea that men are pillars of logic while women are just lead about by their emotions seems to have so many exceptions as to prove “the rule” invalid. From the Catholic Tradition, offhand, one might point to figures like G.E.M. Anscombe, a brilliant Catholic philosopher and mother. She raised seven practicing Catholic children, while also coining the term “consequentialism,” and (from all accounts) soundly beating C.S. Lewis in a debate on naturalism and miracles. She possessed the finest of the classically-male and classically-female attributes, and was no less a woman while debating than while mothering.

Or how about Jennifer Fulwiler, the blogger at conversiondiary.com/, the 8th most popular Catholic website by search volume? That is, the eighth most popular Catholic website… on the entire Internet (and there are thousands). Her blog isn’t just a bunch of emotions – she’s able to connect with her audience while explaining (both through experience and more formalized logic) tenets of the faith, etc.

I think that these stereotypes which tell women not to be logical, and men not to have emotions, run directly counter to Christianity, in that they ask us to bury some of the talents given us by God, and experience Him with one hand tied behind our backs.

 

[Hesychios]

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[justamoose89]

Catholic girly men make sure to always use words like ‘laypeople’ and ‘humankind’, because we wouldn’t want to offend anyone by using the proper English ‘laymen’ and ‘mankind’.

Hehe, so calling someone a “girly man” isn’t “offensive”?

Anywho…:juggle:

I think the OP was going for the sarcastic effect. At least, I hope he was being sarcastic. Who can tell on the internet?

 

[mark_a]

I’m going to tell you how I stack up (by labeling myself as a man or girly man) about each one of your points and tally up @ the end to see if I’m a girly man.

For example, Catholic girly men will think that the Church is unjust for not ordaining women. They are unwilling to consider the Church’s teaching about not ordaining women because they consider it discrimination.

man

However, Catholic girly aren’t necessarily heterdox in their Catholic Faith.

man

Catholic girly men think that having girl altar boys is right because it would be unfair to have only boys serve the altar. Plus those little girls look so cute at the front ofo the Church during Mass.

Girly man. My oldest daughter is an alter server.

Catholic girly men like to hold hands during the Pater Noster and may even reach across the aisle to do so.

man

Catholic girly men think that the hand shaking at the sign of peace is one of the high points of the Mass because it helps us ‘feel’ like community.

man

Catholic girly men think that it is important or good that Catholic Churches have a greeter(s) prior to the Mass so the people ‘feel’ welcome while never giving a thought that perhaps praying the Rosary as a group prior to Mass would actually be efficacious.

man, I guess. I’m indifferent about greeters.

Catholic girly men like to address their priest as Fr. Bob as opposed to Fr. Smith because, you know, Fr. Bob is just like one of us.

man

Catholic girly men make sure to always use words like ‘laypeople’ and ‘humankind’, because we wouldn’t want to offend anyone by using the proper English ‘laymen’ and ‘mankind’.

man

Catholic girly men like to sing Glory and Praise ditties but don’t care much for traditional hymns.

man

Catholic girly men like to actively participate in the Mass by being lectors or by distributing Holy Communion because it is a way of giving back to the Church when in actuality both these ‘ministries’ really don’t accomplish anything other than blurring the distinction between the laity and the priesthood.

Girly man. Without them, communion would last two hours at my church.

Catholic gilry men don’t like the Mass celebrated in Latin because it’s a ‘dead’ language and they don’t understand Latin. Never mind that traditional missals have the Latin and vernacular language on facing pages so laymen can easily follow along but further untold numbers of young Catholics (under 10 years of age) are able to learn the Latin and recite the responses.

Girly man. I’m uneducated and like mass in my own language.

Catholic girly men don’t like to receive Holy Commuion on the tongue because it’s like they’re sticking their tongue out at Jesus or some other cockamamie reason.

Now you’re just being silly.

Catholic girly men don’t think proper dress for Mass is really very important

man

because at least those inappropriately dressed people are coming to Church.

girly man

Catholic girly men are uncomfortable when the topics of abortion, contraception, sin, Hell etc. are spoken of during the sermon not because they disagree with Church teaching on these topics but because they are concerned that orthodox teaching on these topics from the pulpit can upset people and drive them away from the Church.

man

Wow, I’m more of a girly man than I thought.

Thanks a lot!

 

[damooster]

I’m going to tell you how I stack up (by labeling myself as a man or girly man) about each one of your points and tally up @ the end to see if I’m a girly man.

Not trying to be mean or sarcastic, but here are some of my answers to your answers.

Girly man. My oldest daughter is an alter server.

Well, chances are the girl altar server is someone’s daughter, but that doesn’t really make it acceptable or recommended.

I recently read something very interesting in the Vatican II documents. Did you know, that in Musicam Sacram (#23), it states that if there are women in the choir, the choir seating should be located outside of the Sanctuary? It kind of makes you wonder why female altar servers are now allowed in the Sanctuary…

man, I guess. I’m indifferent about greeters.

They serve no purpose. I can find my own seat.

Girly man. Without them, communion would last two hours at my church.

Personally, I’d rather kneel for two hours than receive from a EMHC.

Girly man. I’m uneducated and like mass in my own language.

Latin missals are awesome. Not only do they help you follow along with the Latin, but they have a ton of information like most common prayers, precepts of the Church etc. They’re like mini-catechisms.

Now you’re just being silly.

I’ve actually heard that one used before (someone actually said that they didn’t want to stick their tongue out at Jesus).

girly man

Well, I do believe that as long as people are dressed modestly, that’s OK. I know other trads feel differently. As long as going to Mass doesn’t become an occasion of sin for me because of all the immodestly dressed women, I could care less how people are dressed.

 

[SarahR]

I’m going to tell you how I stack up (by labeling myself as a man or girly man) about each one of your points and tally up @ the end to see if I’m a girly man.

Very introspective. Thanks for sharing.

 

[TEPO]

What about men volunteering for the Liturgical Dance?

 

[Poco]

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Cracked me up! I love you, brother! (hope this doesn’t make me a “girly man”)

While I think the OP made some valid points, I do believe they could have been made in a bit more “charitable” fashion.

since OP’s premise is based entirely on his own subjective definition of the category he defines, to even discuss it is worthless. Shall we go into his slam on the entire female gender implicit in his assumptions that we are led exclusively by emotion?

I don’t think it would be fair, nor would it be born out by impartial observation that compares all women with all men.

At the risk of going off topic here, I don’t think the OP was slamming the entire female sex (gender is a term used for language, although it has been corrupted in recent times).

In any case, a couple of stories…

In an Organic Chemistry Lab class I took there was a woman (happened to be a gorgeous blonde) who knew more about Organic Chemistry than anybody else in the class. When I talked to the instructor later he told me he was afraid to give her the grade she deserved fearing accusations of “impropriety”. (He gave her the grade she deserved with no repurcussions )

When I was in the Marine Corps, a couple of buddies of mine told me about they had just finished their “max” on the bench press working out in the weight room. A woman walked up, looked at the bar, added some weight and began “warming up”. They left!

Yes, we can always find “exceptions to the rule”, but how many exceptions do we need to find to invalidate the rule? I’m still of the opinion that men are more “logical”, women are more “emotional” and we need each other to “work things out”. (I apologize, that last bit wasn’t very good)

 

[Belloc_Fan]

They serve no purpose. I can find my own seat.

I disagree. One of the things which has drawn innumerable Catholics away from the Faith is that they felt more welcome in Protestant churches. Is that a silly reason to be drawn away? Perhaps. But it reflects a real Catholic truth about what Communion should look like: namely, that in communing with Christ, we are to be drawn closer to our neighbor. As the axles move closer to the hub, they become closer to the other axles. I agree that some churches get ridiculous about this – they promote bonding at the expense of worship. Loving your neighbor is the appropriate result of loving God. Some liberal heretics try and love their neighbor instead of God, but some traditionalists go in the other extreme, and are cold to their neighbor in a seeming desire to be closer to God.

Ushers serve two purposes which I can readily see. First, they guarantee that visitors to the Mass have some sort of human connection before embarking on what’s likely an alien experience. They might feel slightly less like outsiders, and slightly more welcome. That’s a positive. Second, ushers serve a practical purpose, by being the one asking people to move down the pew. That’s a minor thing, sure, but in my experience there have been people I wouldn’t have felt comfortable asking to move, or let me get by, and I was thankful the usher was there to do it. It avoids a risk of a tiff right before Mass.

Latin missals are awesome. Not only do they help you follow along with the Latin, but they have a ton of information like most common prayers, precepts of the Church etc. They’re like mini-catechisms.

Amen! I enjoy the Latin Mass thoroughly, although I do wish I spoke Latin, since I’d be able to enjoy it even more then.

Here’s the issue I often find myself having with Traditionalists:

1. 
   *]The Church will permit two options – Communion in the hand or on the tongue; received from the priest or an EMHC; Mass in the OF or the EF; etc.
   *]One option is superior for the individual in question. They feel more devout receiving from the priest on the tongue in the EF, for example. Up to here, I’m with them. I also prefer to receive Communion on the tongue from a priest, and love both forms of the Mass (although I’m generally partial to the OF, in that it’s my ordinary Mass). Where I have a problem is in step 3:
   *]They’ll deride the other (Church-approved) option as invalid, and speak ill of those who choose the other option.
   
   Where in Catholic tradition is that sort of behavior ever looked upon as beneficial to the Church? Traditionalists do an immense service to the Church by keeping Her sacred Traditions alive in the face of Modernists, no doubt. But they do an immense disservice when they do so uncharitably, and impugn the good name of the Church in the process. Because, after all, the Church is still the Church – attacking the Church today for allowing Communion in the Hand is not less evil than attacking the Church yesterday for allowing Communion on the tongue.
   
   I mean, the Carthusians and the Dominicans have extremely different devotions – one quiet and contemplative, the other active and very much in the world. Yet both would be sinning if they declared *their *devotion the **only **legitimate one, and the other one sinful and tainted. It’s the sin St. Paul warned of in 1 Cor 12.
   
   Why not simply take a live-and-let-live attitude about it? (I wish this of both sides, frankly). You can have a preferred devotion without it being everyone’s preferred devotion. If someone feels disrespectful “sticking their tongue out at Christ,” that’s a good sign that they’re expressing more devotion by receiving in the hand. For you and I, it’d be the opposite – our most devout posture is on our knees with our tongues out.

 

[Redratfish]

You know what, I’m through with this forum. Everyone is taking this topic as a joke, when It’s just another “If you follow Vatican II your not a good Catholic” thread. This guy is a troll, but he is simply writing what many others have already said.I’m through with this.

Catholic girly men will think that the Church is unjust for not ordaining women.
Women shouldn’t, and can’t be priests.

Catholic girly men think that having girl altar boys is right because it would be unfair to have only boys serve the altar.
Vatican II issue, Jesus was assisted by Mary Magdalen was he not? Women can’t be priests. There is nothing wrong with them helping the priest celebrate the mass.

Catholic girly men like to hold hands during the Pater Noster (Our Father) and may even reach across the aisle to do so.
From what I can tell, a Vatican II issue. Yes, I do feel that (maybe because we are a minority here in south Texas) that we should have a strong sense of community. We all believe in on faith, and should be there for each other for mutual support. Catholic means universal, not single.

Catholic girly men think that the hand shaking at the sign of peace is one of the high points of the Mass because it helps us ‘feel’ like community.
Vatican II issue: As stated above, its important, but not nearly as important as the rest of the mass.

Catholic girly men think that it is important or good that Catholic Churches have a greeter(s) prior to the Mass so the people ‘feel’ welcome while never giving a thought that perhaps praying the Rosary as a group prior to Mass would actually be efficacious.
Vatican II issue, but my Church doesn’t have a greeter

Catholic girly men like to address their priest as Fr. Bob as opposed to Fr. Smith
Vatican II issue: Um, newsflash, they are people just like us, except given the authority to stand as a representative of Christ. They are still human. If they prefer to be called by their first name (the priests at my Church do), I see nothing wrong with it.

Catholic girly men make sure to always use words like ‘laypeople’ and ‘humankind’,
Now your just getting annoying.

Catholic girly men like to sing Glory and Praise ditties but don’t care much for traditional (Latin) hymns.
Vatican II issue: Traditional hymns? As in Latin hymns? Nope, don’t care to much for them. I like how they sound, but I don’t understand a word of what they say. Sure I know what we are saying in English, but its like when talking to a guy in a different language. Would you rather know what each word is saying, or be guessing.

Catholic girly men like to actively participate in the Mass by being lectors or by distributing Holy Communion because it is a way of giving back to the Church when in actuality both these ‘ministries’ really don’t accomplish anything other than blurring the distinction between the laity and the priesthood.
**Vatican II issue. As someone who has been a Eucharist minister, I have to strongly disagree with you. It is one of the most humbling experiences I have ever had. I grew much closer in my faith because of it. Don’t give me any BS about it doesn’t do anything. Also, I would love to see my Church try to go to the Eucharist rail, and wait for the one priest to minister to all of us. **

Catholic girly men don’t like the Mass celebrated in Latin because it’s a ‘dead’ language and they don’t understand Latin. Never mind that traditional missals have the Latin and vernacular language on facing pages so laymen can easily follow along but further untold numbers of young Catholics (under 10 years of age) are able to learn the Latin and recite the responses.
**Vatican II issue, um it is a dead language, and I don’t understand Latin, and because its a dead language, I feel no need to. I know the Anues Dei, and Kyrie by heart. I would much rather listen to something in English that I can understand. **

Catholic girly men don’t like to receive Holy Commuion on the tongue because it’s like they’re sticking their tongue out at Jesus
Vatican II issue. Um yea, I don’t like receiving on the tongue for a couple of reasons. 1. As a Eucharistic minister, I have seen people receive incorrectly, and drop the Host. And also your right, I do feel kind of disrespectful when sticking out my tongue. Society teaches us that it is not appropriate in the same way cursing is inappropriate.

Catholic girly men don’t think proper dress for Mass is really very important because at least those inappropriately dressed people are coming to Church.
I dress properly, but I fail to see your point about the ones who dress poorly, and still come to Mass. Are you saying you would support them comitting a mortal sin because they may not have nice clothes? Wow, aren’t you Christian.

Catholic girly men are uncomfortable when the topics of abortion, contraception, sin, Hell etc.
I can agree with you on this one.

So out of your 13 criteria for being a girly Catholic, 9 of them deal directly with Vatican II. All nine of the ones dealing with Vatican II directly, I agree with.

Maybe someone should post a rant on the Traditional Latin Mass. Oh wait, that would be offensive I know most of the people on here aren’t like this guy, but I’m tired of being told I’m not a good Catholic for following Vatican II. I came to learn about how to better defend my faith when confronted by Protestants. Instead, I have to defend my faith from other Catholics, simply because I follow Vatican II.

To anyone who isn’t like the OP
Peace out

 

[Blessed_Karl]

People like the OP do such an IMMENSE disservice to the traditional movement.

What was the point of this post someone asked. I’ll tell you what the point was: nothing. Just an ill-conceived and angry rant that will most likely push anyone here away from the TLM. I love the TLM with all my heart but some of these people need to stop with these garbage posts on here.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

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