Catholic group focuses on successor to Cardinal Francis George

[gus]

This is merely a prelude to the war that is about to take place when our Great Current Pope is no longer with us.
The election of the next Pope will be one of the most important in Church history.
The presidential election pales in comparison
I pray he has the strenght to complete his task.

 

[iloveangels]

The survey site and the recommendation page are active, and I am taking it upon myself to register my own opinions with the survey so that they have a clearer picture of what Catholics really think.

Waste of time either way. Americans are 5% of the global Church. VOTF is composed of a few cranks from that paltry 5%. Everyone in Rome knows that, in general, American Catholics are a) wacky, b) in love with their own opinions.

This is old, old, old. Goes nowhere.

 

[Dawnia]

This is merely a prelude to the war that is about to take place when our Great Current Pope is no longer with us.
The election of the next Pope will be one of the most important in Church history.
The presidential election pales in comparison
I pray he has the strenght to complete his task.

Hopefully that will be a long ways off.

 

[iloveangels]

This is merely a prelude to the war that is about to take place when our Great Current Pope is no longer with us.
The election of the next Pope will be one of the most important in Church history.
The presidential election pales in comparison
I pray he has the strenght to complete his task.

Yes, they said this about PJP2’s successor too, before he was elected. Everyone expected a liberal. Surprise!!

BTW, rather than worrying about the popes, you should be worrying about Vatican City and Italy. Europe is getting over-run with people who hate the Church and flatly deny history. They’re even worse off than we are.

 

[gus]

An elder Pope was chosen to delay the inevitable.
and avoid conflict.
He tuned out to be as dynamic as his predecessor.
In my opinion a great Pope.
What specifically are you referring.
Has the cause of the neo-protestants strengthened in the. last. 7 years.

 

[iloveangels]

An elder Pope was chosen to delay the inevitable.
and avoid conflict.
He tuned out to be as dynamic as his predecessor.
In my opinion a great Pope.
What specifically are you referring.
Has the cause of the neo-protestants strengthened in the. last. 7 years.

It may be true that Benedict XVI was chosen because a young man wasn’t wanted. PJPII was pope for many years.

But yes, PBXVI did turn out to be as dynamic as his predecessor, but in an entirely different way. This pope is, by far, more my favorite than the last one. This one is the saint.

Many dissidents thought for years during the reign of PJPII that a progressive pope would be chosen next. Didn’t happen. This was what I was referring to.

“Spirit of Vatican II” dissidents became outdated during PJPII’s reign, but they’ve been outmaneuvered and outclassed during Benedict XVI’s reign. The world has changed and old-fashioned hippie style dissidents have been left behind, even if some of them don’t yet realize it. This includes the VoTF types, who are mostly also members of all the other tiny splinter dissident groups like CTA. Most of them are senior citizens too.

We have a whole new set of challenges now. The new challenges are mostly demographic, economic and cultural in nature.

1. The West is failing to protect its own and failing to maintain the Church for political and economic reasons. Europe is going to implode. The new centers of Christian growth are in Africa and Asia now. Classical Europe is a thing of the past.
2. In the USA, many young people tend to think of the Church in lifestyle terms and don’t have the commitment to it that has been traditionally understood as necessary. They’re been taught this kind of behavior by their parents, and it’s probably not going to change easily if at all. Genuine catechesis is almost absent among cradle Catholics.
3. We’ve alienated vast segments of society both in Europe and in the US with our antics. And most Catholics have not yet comprehended this basic fact for what it really is. You can’t act like too many Catholics act in public and not suffer repercussions. People in the general population see this kind of behavior for what it is, even if Catholics don’t “get” it. And even if nothing is done by Catholic authority figures–in fact, it just deepens the sense of alienation and disgust when nothing happens.

 

[gus]

I would agree hypocrisy within the church has been our biggest problem.
I wouldn’t write off Europe as yet.
I have many relatives in Italy.
Europe is like a teenage child outwardly they profess their independence but inwardly there is a bond of immense strength.

 

[ringil]

Are you referring to the profane tradition of the “boy bishop” or do you have some kind of evidence that nine-year-olds were ordained and consecrated to a diocese?

Children and adolescents were given ecclesial office at times in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance- it was different times. I’m not dogging the Church- Just saying that things change in the Church in response to your post regarding lay involvement in the early Church. .

 

[Elizium23]

Children and adolescents were given ecclesial office at times in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance- it was different times. I’m not dogging the Church- Just saying that things change in the Church in response to your post regarding lay involvement in the early Church. .

So you claim, but without a link or bibliography to back it up. Here is what happened during the Middle Ages. The custom of “boy bishop” is verifiable, but it is not a grant of ecclesial office or even ordination.

 

[iloveangels]

Children and adolescents were given ecclesial office at times in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance- it was different times. I’m not dogging the Church- Just saying that things change in the Church in response to your post regarding lay involvement in the early Church. .

Just because we had corruption once doesn’t mean we have to have it now, Ringil. Any cleanup of our act is welcome.

If you’re going to quote all the stuff about bad popes, corrupt abbots and boy bishops, let me spare you the trouble. I’m a convert. I know all about that and more. That kind of stuff is part of what some converts have to get past, in order to get close enough to the Church to join it. I also know that the average Catholic has approximately the moral fibre of an AWOL beagle. Not news to me. I’m Catholic in spite of the bad behavior of some Catholics, not because of it.

 

[iloveangels]

I would agree hypocrisy within the church has been our biggest problem.
I wouldn’t write off Europe as yet.
I have many relatives in Italy.
Europe is like a teenage child outwardly they profess their independence but inwardly there is a bond of immense strength.

I hope you’re right, Gus, but I don’t have much confidence that you are.

 

[ringil]

Just because we had corruption once doesn’t mean we have to have it now, Ringil. Any cleanup of our act is welcome.

If you’re going to quote all the stuff about bad popes, corrupt abbots and boy bishops, let me spare you the trouble. I’m a convert. I know all about that and more. That kind of stuff is part of what some converts have to get past, in order to get close enough to the Church to join it. I also know that the average Catholic has approximately the moral fibre of an AWOL beagle. Not news to me. I’m Catholic in spite of the bad behavior of some Catholics, not because of it.

That wasn’t the point of my post.

I was responding to a vein in the thread.

I don’t really believe the faithful should have a say in Church governance and I’m no fan of Voice of the Faithful.

 

[iloveangels]

That wasn’t the point of my post.

I was responding to a vein in the thread.

I don’t really believe the faithful should have a say in Church governance and I’m no fan of Voice of the Faithful.

I’m shocked, Ringil. Really shocked. You don’t like Vice of the Faithful?