"Catholic guilt"?

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I went to a Catholic Care Minister’s retreat just after Lent
this year and this revelation blew me away:
“We are ALWAYS led to negativity in thinking!”
Negativity drags us down, it takes the “fun” out of life.
I believe that’s what scrupulosity does, it mires our thinking
with self condemnation with no hope of relief!

On the other side of the coin is the LACK of fear of God’s Laws.
In the last days, Jesus predicts, there will be an INCREASE in
lawlessness and “the love of MOST people will grow cold”!(Matt 24 12)

So what are we Catholics to do? Nurture Spiritual fervor, as
Pope Paul VI suggests in a treatise on the need for a New
Pentecost, and a HEALTHY respect for Gods Laws which He has written on [our] hearts"!(Jer 31:33)
 
I don’t fully understand it as well.

To me it’s more so accountability, shrewdness and being discerning in actions & likes - be it words and ‘personal’ decisions. I don’t feel guilty for eating an entire box of pizza all by myself – I’ll regret the few pounds gained and say to myself “You should’ve known better,” feel sorry for myself about by belly, but I won’t feel guilty about it.

The only times I feel guilty is when I realized I should’ve done better; like if a certain action has dropped me to sewer rat status and whatever action I’ve done is diametrically opposing to what & who I am as a person. Take for instance forgery, cheating on significant other, constantly lying, not being discerning enough or even not speaking up when I should’ve. In other words: making very stupid choices, therefore regrets.

Then again I see many posts asking very odd questions that the OP thinks might be a sin. Sometimes I’m like “How do you tie your shoes if you aren’t able to make these types of decisions?”
 
Often it seems that those who have left the Church are the ones who most loudly rail against “Catholic guilt.” If I can just silence my pesky conscience, I can do whatever I want!
Yes, that has been my experience as well.

bold: An interesting observation. I think this leads into very modern morality & ethics. I’ve posted this before, but I see it linked when people say “Why do you care what he/she does?” often attached to choices that are deemed personal, say like plastic surgery, body modification, perverse romantic/sexual relationships etc. It’s a libertine sort of a approach. Often it turns out to be “Unique/free & talented people vs Boring/domestic & timid people.” The former group are the “my body my rules my life” crowd while the latter become the “prudes & squares.” As long as your actions don’t harm someone else it’s “okay” or even “neither right nor wrong” so the mentality goes. The other thing is what if rationalization and ones conscience tells a person that it’s okay to do an act that might be deemed degrading or a violation of respect to oneself? It’s an interesting area to explore and to be analytical about.
 
I always feel very guilty about my sins lol.

But guilt is a good thing. Many people walk around giving no more thought to their eternal salvation than the man in the moon. Feely sorry for your sins is the first step of the path to salvation.
 
Then again I see many posts asking very odd questions that the OP thinks might be a sin. Sometimes I’m like “How do you tie your shoes if you aren’t able to make these types of decisions?”
At first I thought this was about myself. I got a little offended. My bad.
 
I was raised by two second generation Irish. Guilt was definitely a part of my childhood. How much of it was cultural and how much was religious I couldn’t say.

My mom once told me and one of my brothers that she didn’t use guilt in raising us. This from a woman whose favorite saying was I know you will do the right thing because that is how I raised you. :confused:

And maybe that is the source of ‘Catholic Guilt’. We know what the right thing is and when we don’t do it.
 
Some people, whether religious or secular disparage themselves over every mistake they make. They mishandle a situation and they beat themselves up over it. It could be something they actually did wrong, or it could be as simple as a lack of finesse in a social situation.

There is also something called ‘white guilt’ which seems to be common among American liberal white people who see racism, sexism, and every other ism or phobia in everything. They are constantly coming up with new causes to disparage their own country over. It seems to be a form of self flagellation.
 
Ok, this will probably wind up offending somebody on this forum, but here we go…
  1. Unless you are a cradle Catholic, the term “Catholic Guilt” probably means nothing to you. It is kind of a shorthand to describe certain experiences, mostly experience as a child.
  2. As a previous poster stated, much of it came from what is also called “Nun Theology”, another shorthand term that describes what was not the truth but what certain people in authority told us children what the truth was. This usually refers to people who went through Catholic schools during 1930s and the 1960s.
  3. Examples (in addition to the one mentioning never let the Host touch your teeth):
    Code:
     If you don't eat your vegetables, it is a sin because other children around the world
will die.
Spilling milk by accident is the same as committing a sin
Being repeatedly told that you will never be as holy as the saints, implying you are dirt
If a non-Catholic relative dies and you did nothing to convert it is your fault THEY are spending eternity in hell
Talking in church is a mortal sin
Sex and anything remotely related to it is just evil
Code:
   Get the idea?
  1. Personal Experience: Since my mother was a working mother, after school I went over my aunt’s house. If I did anything wrong (accident or not), I was told that Mary in heaven is weeping as well as the saints. In the third grade of my parochial school the teacher asked “Who wants to go to heaven?” Everyone raised their hands except for me. I explained why would I want to go to a place where everyone is crying all the time and heaven sounded like a horrible place. Teacher called my mother and auntie’s babysitting career came to an abrupt end!
I hope this helps
This is what I too have always known the term Catholic guilt to mean. I agree also it is most familiar to and prevalent in cradle Catholics that attended Catholic schools. (That includes the “Nun theology” because nearly all the teachers were nuns) It did seem that most anything the nuns didn’t want you to do was said to be a sin. Like wearing patent leather shoes, sin (because then the boys could see up your skirt in the reflection). Being left handed was a BIG sin!!! I can’t tell you how many nuns said that was a sign of the devil and would slap those poor lefties across the knuckles with a ruler! If your uniform didn’t touch the floor when you knelt down, sin. Daring to even mention or ask a question about another denomination, sin. I could go on and on - I heard it for 12 years. THAT is Catholic guilt, seemingly everything (that really isn’t a sin) being deemed a sin or greatly hurting God.
 
I think it’s because many don’t understand when it comes to “Catholic Guilt.”

I hope you don’t mind if I share with you all an extract out of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen’s book ‘Life of Christ’ that I believe will help.
Simon the Pharisee:
Luke 7:36-50

36 A Pharisee invited Jesus to have dinner with him. So Jesus went to the Pharisee’s home and got ready to eat.

37 When a sinful woman in that town found out that Jesus was there, she bought an expensive bottle of perfume. 38 Then she came and stood behind Jesus. She cried and started washing his feet with her tears and drying them with her hair. The woman kissed his feet and poured the perfume on them.

39 The Pharisee who had invited Jesus saw this and said to himself, “If this man really were a prophet, he would know what kind of woman is touching him! He would know that she is a sinner.”

40 Jesus said to the Pharisee, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

“Teacher, what is it?” Simon replied.

41 Jesus told him, “Two people were in debt to a moneylender. One of them owed him five hundred silver coins, and the other owed him fifty. 42 Since neither of them could pay him back, the moneylender said that they didn’t have to pay him anything. Which one of them will like him more?”

43 Simon answered, “I suppose it would be the one who had owed more and didn’t have to pay it back.”

“You are right,” Jesus said.

44 He turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Have you noticed this woman? When I came into your home, you didn’t give me any water so I could wash my feet. But she has washed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You didn’t greet me with a kiss, but from the time I came in, she has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You didn’t even pour olive oil on my head, but she has poured expensive perfume on my feet. 47 So I tell you that all her sins are forgiven, and that is why she has shown great love. But anyone who has been forgiven for only a little will show only a little love.”

48 Then Jesus said to the woman, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 Some other guests started saying to one another, “Who is this who dares to forgive sins?”

50 But Jesus told the woman, “Because of your faith, you are now saved. May God give you peace!”
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, Life of Christ, Chapter 12 -

While visiting the Galilean towns early in His public life and before open hostility had broken out, a rich Pharisee named Simon invited Our Lord to his home for a meal. He had heard of the acclaim given Our Lord by the people and was anxious to determine for himself whether He was really a prophet or a teacher. Curiously enough, there was someone else in the vicinity who was also anxious to meet Our Lord, but her interests were higher. She had a burden on her conscience, and wanted to see Him as Savior from her Guilt.

Great as was her shame, she did not permit it to hold her back even in the face of those who might condemn her. Our Lord thus found Himself between one who was curious about Him as a Teacher and another who was penitent before Him as a Savior. When Our Lord arrived, there was little enthusiasm in the welcome of Simon who coldly omitted the usual courtesies and attentions paid to a guest. In those days, to enter a house except with bare feet was much the same thing as entering a house today without taking off one’s hat. (book was written around 1958) Shoes and sandals were removed at the threshold. The visitor was always greeted with a kiss on the cheek by the master of the house with the invocation, “The Lord be with you.” Then the guest was shown to a couch where a servant would bring water to wash his feet and assure ceremonial cleanliness. Next, the host or at least one of the servants anointed the head and beard of the visitor with fragrant oil. In the case of Our Blessed Lord, there was no water for His weary feet, and no kiss of welcome to His cheek; no perfume for His hair - nothing but an unceremonious gesture indicating a vacant place at the table. Perhaps Simon knew he was watched by other Pharisees and hence omitted these courtesies. The guests in those days did not sit at a table, but reclined on couches, the unsandled feet stretched out at full length.

Access to the dining room was very easy, probably because of the universal prevalence of the law of hospitality so common among the peoples of the East. While the meal was being served, an untoward incident happened. Simon looked up, and what he saw brought a blush to his cheek. He would not have minded it if anyone else had been there, but This Man! What would He think of it? The intruder was a woman; her name was Mary; her profession, a sinner, a common woman of the streets. She stood at the feet of Our Blessed Lord, and let fall upon those sandaled harbingers of peace, like the first drops of warm summer rain, a few tears. Then, ashamed of what she had done, she bent lower as if to hide her shame, but the fountain of tears would not be stilled. Emboldened because unreproved, she cast herself on her knees and began to wipe the tears from His feet with her long dishevelled hair. To anoint the head was the usually course, but she would not venture on such an honor, but would make bold in her humility to anoint only His feet. Taking from her veil a vessel of precious perfume, she did not pour it out drop by drop, slowly, as if to indicate by the very slowness of giving the generosity of the giver. She broke the vessel and gave everything, for love knows no limits. She was not paying tribute to a sage; she was unburdening her heart of her sins. She had certainly seen and heard Him before, and she was certain that somehow He might give her new hope. There was love in her boldness, repentance in her tears, sacrifice and surrender of self in her ointment.

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But the Pharisee was horrified that the Master should have allowed such a disreputable woman of the streets to approach Him, and contrary to all traditions of the strict Pharisees, to pour out tears at His feet. Simon would not speak the words aloud, but merely thought within himself:
Luke 7:39:
“If this man really were a prophet, he would know what kind of woman is touching him! He would know that she is a sinner.”
How did he know she was a woman of the streets? In judging another he judged himself. In Simon’s eyes she was a sinner and she would always be accounted a sinner. To him there was abomination in her touch, sin in her tears, and a lie in her ointment. The Pharisee made no inquiries, indulging in no hopes. It was all one to him whether it was depraved will, vanity, starvation, or the lusts of men that drove her to her ruin. It was one to him whether she arose at night because of her troubled conscience and condemned herself a thousand times for doing that which she knew would bring her no peace. And as for Christ, if He had any insight into human character He would know she was a prostitute.

Our Lord then read Simon’s thoughts as He will one day read the souls of the living and the dead. He said to him:
Luke 7:41-42:
Simon, I have something to say to you.”

“Teacher, what is it?” Simon replied.

41 Jesus told him, “Two people were in debt to a moneylender. One of them owed him five hundred silver coins, and the other owed him fifty. 42 Since neither of them could pay him back, the moneylender said that they didn’t have to pay him anything. Which one of them will like him more?”
The implication of the story was that God is a creditor Who trusts us with His goods until a day is set for the payment of that debt and the rendering of an account of our stewardship. Some are indebted more than others; some, because they have sinned more; others, because they have greater gifts; some receive ten talents, others five, still others one. It could have been that the woman’s sins were like a debt of five hundred pieces of silver, while Simon’s were only like a debt of fifty. But in the end, both were debtors, and neither could pay the debt. The meaning of the parable was clear. God is the creditor Who trusts man with His gifts of wealth, intelligence, influence. But a day is finally set for the payment. Though no man in strict justice can pay the debt he owes to God through sin, God is nevertheless willing to forgive all debtors, great or small. What this forgiveness costs in strict justice, Our Lord did not here discuss. But he prepared Simon to understand that He had come to bring man remission of sins.

Our Lord now asks:
Luke 7:43-46:
Which one of them will like him more?”

43 Simon answered, “I suppose it would be the one who had owed more and didn’t have to pay it back.”

“You are right,” Jesus said.

44 He turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Have you noticed this woman? When I came into your home, you didn’t give me any water so I could wash my feet. But she has washed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You didn’t greet me with a kiss, but from the time I came in, she has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You didn’t even pour olive oil on my head, but she has poured expensive perfume on my feet. 47 So I tell you that all her sins are forgiven, and that is why she has shown great love. But anyone who has been forgiven for only a little will show only a little love.”
What did Our Lord mean when He said to Simon, “Have you noticed this woman?” He meant that Simon could not see the woman as she really was, but only as the woman that she used to be, or the woman he thought she was. Simon had said within himself that if Our Lord were a prophet He would know she was a sinner. Now our blessed Lord turned the phrase and asked Simon “Have you noticed this woman, Simon?” The trouble with self-righteous people is that they judge themselves virtuous, because they find someone else who is immoral. They never see. They think they do, but they don’t. Guilt is always in the neighbour, never in self.

Our Lord then went on to describe the common courtesies which had been neglected, but which this woman showed Him. “she has washed my feet with her tears.” The garment that is deeply soiled cannot without much rubbing and pouring of water become clean. When there is deep pollution of sin, there must not be only a washing but a soaking and bathing with the tears of contrition. Then she wiped His feet with her hair. In true repentance there is always a converting of those things which have been abused in the service of sin to the service of God. The best ornament of the body, in the judgement of the penitent, was not too good to be employed in the most menial service toward Our Blessed Lord.

The courtesies which Simon omitted in the order of nature, his Divine visitor now contrasts with the higher courtesies and the order of grace. The marks of honor are then traced to their source, her desire for forgiveness. In all the conventional civilities of life there is some root of affection and love. Simon thought he showed enough honor to a carpenter’s Son by inviting Him to table; but the woman’s love He traced to her deep sense of forgiven sin:
Luke 7:47:
So I tell you that all her sins are forgiven, and that is why she has shown great love. But anyone who has been forgiven for only a little will show only a little love.”
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It would be very wrong to deduce that it would be well to have sinned much, or to have run up a bigger debt in order that the sinner might have more forgiven. Rather the lesson is that flagrant sinners are much more likely to discover that they are sinners than those who think they are good. As in a hospital, a patient who is a mass of sores and bruises solicits more pity then one less injured, so too, admitted guilt is not an obstacle, but an argument in favour of Divine Mercy. The love of this woman grew in proportion to her gratitude for pardon. It was not the quantity of sin, but rather the consciousness of it and the mercy extended in its forgiveness, which manifested the great love of this penitent woman. Much was forgiven her; therefore she loved much.

Nothing so much brings one person in contact with another as the confession of sin. When a friend tells us of his success, he stands at a distance from our heart; when he tells of his guilt with tears, he is very near. Actually, when a person has a consciousness of sin, he does not very much distinguish between whether his sins belong in the five hundred pieces of silver category, or the fifty. What troubles him is the fact that he has hurt someone that he loves. St. Paul considered himself the chief of sinners, but he was not a great sinner except in his bigotry and persecution. He who makes light of sin will make light of forgiveness. He who makes light of really serious wounds will never appreciate the power of the physician.
Simon had something to learn; so he invited a teacher; the woman had something to be forgiven, so she poured out her contrite tears on the Divine Creditor Who proved to be her Savior. Simon had not denied the existence of guilt; but he felt himself relatively innocent when he saw the woman who was a sinner. Guilt is not just the breaking of a love; it is the wounding of someone who is loved. The seriousness of sin rises in proportion as Christ is approached. Standing close to the Cross and feeling the agonies of Him Who died for sin’s atonement, could make Paul, the Pharisee of the Pharisees, call himself the “greatest of sinners.”

The lesson was over and the woman was dismissed with the words:
Luke 7:48:
“Your sins are forgiven.”
The man whom Simon thought might be a teacher, was not formalizing a code; He was forgiving sins. But who can forgive sins except God? That was the thought running through the minds of everyone at table:
Luke 7:49:
Some other guests started saying to one another, “Who is this who dares to forgive sins?”
This was their question as they arose from their couches. Couches would come back as a symbol of a guiltless world nineteen centuries (now twenty centuries) later. Men would rise from them with their guilt explained away. But such souls would not have the inner joy of the woman, who heard One more than a prophet say to her:

Luke 7:50 said:
“Because of your faith, you are now saved. May God give you peace!”

Her faith had told her that God loves purity, goodness, and holiness. And before her stood Him Who alone could restore her to that holiness. But the price He would pay for that peace would come only after a war – the war against evil. The forgiveness the woman received was not merely that of being “let off”; it was one in which justice itself was satisfied. Peter, who was there at the dinner, later one recorded the price that was paid:
1 Peter 2:24:
Christ carried the burden of our sins. He was nailed to the cross… By his cuts and bruises you are healed.
The guests at table wondered how He could forgive sins. Right they were, who could forgive sins but God? The purpose of His coming to this earth as the Son of Man was once more revealed: He would be identified with sinners in taking their guilt; He would be separate from sinners in offering Himself for their salvation and, therefore, could forgive their sins. On the one hand, identification:
Luke 22:37:
the Scriptures say, ‘He was considered a criminal.’
On the other hand, separation:
Hebrews 7:26:
He is holy and innocent and faultless, and not at all like us sinners.
These are complementary truths. The first referred to the price He had to pay to forgive sins, such as those of the woman; the second to His Divine life which gave His sufferings infinite value. The woman before Him had her debt of sin blotted out, but she had no idea how much it cost Him. All the tokens of tenderness the sinful woman showed Him, he would receive again in another form. A kiss would come from Judas; the washing of His feet would be reversed as He would grid Himself with a towel and wash the feet of His disciples; and for the oil on His head there would be the crown of thorns as He would pour out the perfume of His own Blood.

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Thus St. Faustina and Divine Mercy, even for us; today.

"My mercy is greater than your sins and those of the entire world. Who can measure the extent of my goodness? For you I descended from heaven to earth; for you I allowed myself to be nailed to the cross; for you I let my Sacred Heart be pierced with a lance, thus opening wide the source of mercy for you. Come, then, with trust to draw graces from this fountain. I never reject a contrite heart. Your misery has disappeared in the depths of My mercy" (Diary, 1485).

"How very much I desire the salvation of souls! My dearest secretary, write that I want to pour out My divine life into human souls and sanctify them, if only they were willing to accept My grace. The greatest sinners would achieve great sanctity, if only they would trust in My mercy. The very inner depths of My being are filled to overflowing with mercy, and it is being poured out upon all I have created…" (Diary, 1784).

The message of The Divine Mercy is simple. It is that God loves us — all of us. And, he wants us to recognize that His mercy is greater than our sins, so that we will call upon Him with trust, receive His mercy, and let it flow through us to others. Thus, all will come to share His joy.

The Divine Mercy message is one we can call to mind simply by remembering ABC:

**A **- Ask for His Mercy. God wants us to approach Him in prayer constantly, repenting of our sins and asking Him to pour His mercy out upon us and upon the whole world.

**B **- Be merciful. God wants us to receive His mercy and let it flow through us to others. He wants us to extend love and forgiveness to others just as He does to us.

**C **- Completely trust in Jesus. God wants us to know that the graces of His mercy are dependent upon our trust. The more we trust in Jesus, the more we will receive.

"…when you go to confession, to this fountain of My mercy, the Blood and Water which came forth from My Heart always flows down upon your soul and ennobles it. Every time you go to confession, immerse yourself entirely in My mercy, with great trust, so that I may pour the bounty of My grace upon your soul. When you approach the confessional, know this, that I myself am waiting there for you. I am only hidden by the priest, but I myself act in your soul. Here the misery of the soul meets the God of mercy. Souls draw graces solely with the vessel of trust. If their trust is great, there is no limit to My generosity. The torrents of grace inundate humble souls." (Diary, 1603).
Matthew 9:13:
‘Instead of offering sacrifices to me, I want you to be merciful to others.’
Jesus to Catalina:
I Have Given My Life for You - loveandmercy.org/Eng-IHG-Reg.pdf

**4) I wish to speak to you again about My Passion because when I do so, I want to spread in your hearts feelings of union with Me, of compassion… to show you My Love…
  1. How I wish that mankind would cultivate greater devotion to My Passion!..
  2. My Passion is a compendium of Holy Love and supernatural Wisdom itself. Everything can be found during My hours of the Passion: every evil in the world transformed into good for eternity, and all the supernatural goodness of present mankind, united to the promise of the good that they may attain if they die protected by My Passion…
  3. My Passion contains everything that you need today and tomorrow and it works marvellous miracles on all those who forget the world and themselves, in order to think of Me.**
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**Contemplate My wounds and see if there is anyone who has suffered as much as I, to show their love…

Contemplate for a moment these bloodstained hands and feet… This naked body, covered with wounds, with urine, and blood. Dirty… This head punctured by sharp thorns, soaked in sweat, full of dust, and covered in Blood…

Contemplate your Jesus, hanging on the Cross, without being able to make the slightest movement… naked, without fame, without honor, without liberty…

Contemplate Me in the image of the Christ that weeps and bleeds. There and in this way the world has Me.**
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Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

1) …Look at Me, My beloved ones. Letting Myself be led with the meekness of a lamb to the terrible torture of the scourging. On My Body, already covered with blows and overwhelmed with fatigue, the executioners cruelly discharge terrible lashes with braided rope, with rods. They punish Me so violently that there was no part of Me which was not prey to the most terrible pain… The blows and the kicks caused Me countless wounds… The rods tore away pieces of My skin and flesh. Blood flowed from all My limbs. Time after time I fell because of the pain caused by the blows to My manliness. My Body was in such a state that I resembled a monster more than a man. The features of My face had lost their shape; it was all swollen.
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**In the Will of Father I have lived days of intense sadness without complaining but accepting what the Father wanted to make Me feel. When I was seized in the Garden, My accusers were quick with every lie and I, without the least resistance, allowed them to take Me to wherever they wanted. And when they wanted to encircle My Head with the crown of thorns, I bowed My Head without resistance, because I took everything from the hands of the One who had sent Me into the world.
  1. When the arms of those cruel men were exhausted by the violence of discharging blows against My Body, they placed upon My head a crown woven with branches of thorns, and parading before Me they said: “So you are a King? We salute you!”
  2. Some spat at Me; others insulted Me; still others dealt further blows to My head, each one adding a new pain to My Body, so battered and destroyed.
  3. I am tired; I have nowhere to rest. Lend Me your heart and your arms to cover Myself in your love. I am cold and feverish; embrace Me for an instant before they continue destroying this temple of Love.**
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Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**Let us continue, My little daughter. Follow Me on the way to Calvary, weighed down by the weight of the Cross…
  1. While My Heart was bewildered with sadness for the eternal perdition of Judas, the cruel executioners, insensitive to My pain, loaded My wounded shoulders with the hard and heavy Cross on which I was to consummate the mystery of the Redemption of the world.
  2. Contemplate Me, Angels from Heaven. See the Creator of every marvel; the God to whom all the heavenly spirits render adoration; the God walking towards Calvary and carrying on His shoulders the holy and blessed log that will receive his last sigh.
  3. Also look at Me, you souls who wish to be My faithful imitators. My Body, destroyed by so much torture, walks without strength, bathed in sweat and Blood… I suffer, without anyone feeling sorry for My pain! The mob accompanies Me and there is not a single person who feels pity for Me. They all surround Me like hungry wolves, wanting to devour their prey… It is that all the demons came out of Hell to make My suffering worse.
  4. The fatigue that I feel is so great and the Cross so heavy that halfway along the path, I fall from weakness. See how those inhuman men lift Me up in the most brutal manner. One grabs My arm, another pulls My clothes that are stuck to My wounds, tearing them open again… This one grabs Me by the neck, another by the hair; others discharge dreadful blows to My whole Body, with their fists, and even with their feet. The Cross falls upon Me and with its weight causes new wounds. My face is scraped by the stones in the road and the blood which runs down My face sticks to My eyes that are almost closed because of the blows they have received. The dust and the mud mingle with the blood and I am turned into the most repugnant of objects.
  5. My Father sends Angels to help support Me so that My Body does not lose consciousness when it falls, so that the battle may not be won before its time and all My
    souls are lost.
  6. I walk over the stones that destroy My feet. I stumble and fall time and time again. I look at both sides of the road, searching for the slightest look of love, of surrender, of union with My pain, but… I do not see anyone. **
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

**Look with what cruelty these hardened men surround Me. Some pull the Cross and lay it on the ground; others tear off My clothes that adhere to the wounds that again open and blood again oozes out.
  1. Look, beloved children, at how much shame and confusion I suffer seeing Myself this way before that immense crowd… What sorrow for My soul!
  2. The executioners tear off My tunic and cast lots for it; the tunic with which My Mother so carefully clothed Me during My childhood, and which She had been increasing in size as I grew. What would be My Mother’s affliction as She contemplates this scene?
  3. How She must have desired to keep that tunic, now stained and soaked with My Blood.
  4. But the hour has arrived and the executioners stretching Me out upon the Cross, grab My arms and pull them until they reach the holes prepared in it. My whole Body is breaking; it swings from one side to the other and the thorns of the crown penetrate even deeper into My head. Listen to the first blow of the hammer that nails My right hand… It resounds to the depths of the earth. Listen yet again… now they are nailing My left hand and, in the presence of such a spectacle, the heavens tremble, and the Angels prostrate themselves. I keep the most profound silence. Neither a complaint, nor a moan escapes My lips, but My tears mingle with the blood that covers My face.
  5. After they have nailed My hands, they cruelly pull My feet… My wounds open, the nerves in My hands and arms tear; the bones are dislocated… The pain is intense!
  6. My feet are pierced and My Blood soaks the earth!…
  7. Contemplate for a moment these bloodstained hands and feet… This naked body, covered with wounds, with urine, and blood. Filthy… This head pierced by sharp thorns, soaked in sweat, full of dust, and covered in Blood…**
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Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

I want to teach sinners that because they have sinned, they should not distance themselves from Me thinking that they no longer have recourse and that they will never be loved as before they sinned. Poor souls! These are not the feelings of a God who has shed all His Blood for you. Come to Me all of you and fear not, because I love you. I will cleanse you with My Blood and you will be as white as snow. I will drown your sins in the water of My Mercy and nothing will be able to snatch from My Heart the Love that I have for you.
Jesus to Catalina:
The Passion - loveandmercy.org/Eng-TP-Reg.pdf

13) My children, poor sinners! Do not distance yourselves from Me. I wait for you night and day at the Tabernacle. I will not reproach you for your crimes; I will not throw your sins in your face. What I will do is to wash you with the Blood of My wounds. Do not be afraid; come to Me. You do not know how much I love you.
Jesus to Blessed Maria Pierina De Micheli

**“If you knew how I love you, you would die from joy.” **

Jesus to St Faustina -

"Were a soul like a decaying corpse so that from a human standpoint, there would be no [hope of] restoration and everything would already be lost, it is not so with God. The miracle of Divine Mercy restores that soul in full." (Diary, 1448).

Jesus to Catalina -

**Who will refuse to recognise the fire of love in my Heart? Who will deny Me that soul for whom I suffered so much here on earth? **

Catalina’s writings - loveandmercy.org/english-books/ For more information on Catalina’s writings, please read the following - youshallbelieve.com/A-plea-to-humanity.pdf

Diary of St. Faustina - thedivinemercy.org/message/

God Bless

Thank you for reading, sorry for the length.
Josh
 
I am responding to the OP.

As a child I didn’t realize the difference but as an adult I can see the the “guilt” came from certain people using false or tweaked Church doctrine to manipulate, shame and control me.

As a child, one does not realize that a parent, or teacher is not speaking truth. They say “The Church/God says…” and one believes it.

My mother said many things that induced horrible paranoia, guilt and shame in myself and my siblings, supposedly in the name of the Church . It is likewise possible that she was taught those things spuriously by the adults in her life.

But I was told those things came from the church and hearing and experiencing them in a Catholic home and Catholic school…it is understandable that one would associate them with Catholicism.

I had friends who were not Catholic who did not hear or learn those things, which reinforces the term Catholic guilt.

It’s great that you didn’t experience that. Again, this was not proper guilt and shame over an actual sin, but a cloud of guilt, shame and terror that was the atmosphere of the home. As if the Church was used as the boogey monster to threaten us into desired behavior.
 
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