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Busy_bee
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There you have it! This is the Fact.
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Busy_bee
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Wow! You have had quite a journey, Khalid, WELCOME! Makes you appreciate your faith and cherish it now, doesn’t it?
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Khalid
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The Catholic Gospel is the Gospel, the only Gospel, and it’s not based on proof-texting.Thank you for advice. To be honest, she says she’s open to be confronted with Catholic beliefs and prooftexts. Although she’s a devout JW, I will try my best to share the Catholic gospel to her. After all,we are too young
Hi! I’m from Naga City, Camarines Sur
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jnoelbalana14
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Thank you again for your replies guys. She’s always emphasizing me that she don’t force me to convert or to undergo Bible Study. It’s my choice. She says that after 3 years, even if I’m not converted to JW, we will see if we can work on it. Like what I said, she’s just 17 that’s why it’s not all about religion why she’s had broken up with me. Another reason, she’s too young why she broke up with me. Her parents want her to have a boyfriend at the age of 20 up. I’m always telling to her that I can’t promise to be converted to JW and she tells me it’s okay. For three years from now, we decided to end our relationship. After 3 years,we will be seeing each other again. Like I said, I already told her the possibility to remain a Catholic and she tells me it’s okay.
After 3 years, we will see if we can work on it or not. I’m already preparing myself if she can’t love me for who I am, then I will walk away. To be honest, I just want to attend the Bible Study so that I can understand them more,her more. Atleast when we’re together in married life,if ever,I can understand her. I also told her that I’ll be sharing with her my Catholic beliefs and she told me that she’ll be listnening and willing to study with me. I also have a background in apologetics that’s why I’m a bit confident that during bible study, their “tactics” will not work on me. To be honest, I’m wondering what will be the reaction of the one who led that bible study if I gave him JW stummpers. Who knows,maybe he or they will be converted (back) to Catholicism.
I’ll be considering all your considerations guys and I’ll be praying for it. Please pray for me and pray with me. I feel so blessed to have you as my brothers and sisters in Christ. Thank you so much, thank you for standing with me in these difficult trial…
After 3 years, we will see if we can work on it or not. I’m already preparing myself if she can’t love me for who I am, then I will walk away. To be honest, I just want to attend the Bible Study so that I can understand them more,her more. Atleast when we’re together in married life,if ever,I can understand her. I also told her that I’ll be sharing with her my Catholic beliefs and she told me that she’ll be listnening and willing to study with me. I also have a background in apologetics that’s why I’m a bit confident that during bible study, their “tactics” will not work on me. To be honest, I’m wondering what will be the reaction of the one who led that bible study if I gave him JW stummpers. Who knows,maybe he or they will be converted (back) to Catholicism.
I’ll be considering all your considerations guys and I’ll be praying for it. Please pray for me and pray with me. I feel so blessed to have you as my brothers and sisters in Christ. Thank you so much, thank you for standing with me in these difficult trial…
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followingtheway
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I don’t think she’s afraid to, I think she’s not allowed. I’m not sure JW’s can marry outside their faith.
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jnoelbalana14
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Hm,they told me that eventhough it’s discouraged, it’s okay. Her sister is married to a Catholic guy…
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Khalid
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Be very careful about the “Bible” [that is, Watchtower propaganda] study - if you go, you will convert with near certainty. It’s not rational apologetics that they use to convert you; it’s well-practiced and time-honored emotional and psychological manipulation tactics, which, when combined with love or lust, not even the most reasoned faith can withstand.
Use the time to date other Catholic girls (if she doesn’t want you to, it’s further evidence that the goal is to put pressure on you to convert, because there’s no way a 17-year-old is going to “wait” for a single person for 3 years - it doesn’t happen - not even for adults).
If you can’t tell, the whole “three years” thing is not a true hiatus (which doesn’t exist), but a ploy to try to get you moving towards JW more quickly (“putting the pressure on”), and the beginning of a plausible reason to cut and run if you don’t (instead of saying, “I won’t marry a Catholic”, which JWs are forbidden to do, under pain of complete shunning). If you plan to marry her, you must convert to JW, as others have pointed out - her religion does not allow it otherwise - otherwise, make the break-up final.
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jnoelbalana14
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Thanks. I’ll be careful… It just dawned to me that her sister JW, is married to a Catholic guy. And she’s not shunned,atleast completely. Her JW family and friends still love her.
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Castello
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There is no future. Pray for her to find Jesus and move on with your life.
In the future, only choose to date practicing Catholic women, that way you will not fall in love with someone and try to be “unequally yoked” with an unbeliever.
Talk to the people over here, you will find some ex JWs
forum.chnetwork.org/index.php?topic=3491.0
In the future, only choose to date practicing Catholic women, that way you will not fall in love with someone and try to be “unequally yoked” with an unbeliever.
Talk to the people over here, you will find some ex JWs
forum.chnetwork.org/index.php?topic=3491.0
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Geist
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Do the JW’s annoy people in the Philippines by knocking on their doors at 8AM on a Saturday like they do here?
Any religion like that is bad news in my book.
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Link0126
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Dude, this sounds desperate. No offense, but it sounds like they know they are close to getting you…
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Khalid
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Are you certain? It is against the laws of the Watchtower, which are the same around the world, and I’ve never heard of a lukewarm or “cafeteria” Jehovah’s Witness.
In any case, only the most heartless JW family would stop loving a daughter because they were disfellowshipped, disassociated and shunned - but they wouldn’t go so far as to actually speak to the person or disobey the dictates of the Almighty Watchtower, as any number of former JWs can (and in this very thread, have) tell you.
“There must be some way out of here,” [the JWs] said the Joker [the man striving for Truth] to the Thief [the stealer of souls].
“There’s too much confusion [the illogic of Watchtower dogma], I can’t get no relief. [From the pressure and false teachings]
Businessmen [JW leaders], they drink my wine, [drinking is a sin to JWs] plowmen [door-to-door missionaries] dig my earth [that is, what JWs call the Kingdom of Satan, i.e. the real world]
None of them along the line [the average member stuck in the darkness and fighting against the light, as in a line of battle] know what any of it [the true Gospel preached in the Holy One Catholic and Apostolic Church] is worth.”
“No reason to get excited,” the Thief, he kindly * spoke,
“There are many here among us [discontented JWs who can’t leave] who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we’ve been through that, [and managed to escape] and this is not our fate, [instead, to learn the True Gospel is]
So let us not talk falsehood [the JW “gospel”] now, the hour is getting late.” *
All along the Watchtower [Bible and Tract Society] princes [Governing Body] kept the view [oversaw and ruled the minds of all JWs like the One Ring]
While all their women came and went [self explanatory] and the [Faithful and Discreet] servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders [a demon and an angel] were approaching, and the wind [pneuma, spirit of God] began to howl [either in outrage at falsehood and blasphemy, or for the souls of the damned, or to warn of the demon].
That’s an old American folk song (I think it had to do with World War II) with my exegesis (eisegesis) of it in brackets. It applies perfectly to the JWs.**
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Trevor_Stamm
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I just saw the foreign film, Worlds Apart and thought of this thread, true story too. jnoelbalana14 I recommend you watch it, might give you perspective of possible outcomes.
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DJK100
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Hi Jnoel,
I have been following the thread you started and I have to say I am actually a little afraid for you. You seem to already have your mind made up that you are going to do the bible study and you are now rationalizing a lot of your behavior so that you can do it.
You say things that you have a background in apologetics, that you may convert some of them away from JW faith or come up with a JW stumper and that you won’t be converted. These are all rationalization that you are doing to convince yourself that you should go ahead and do the JW bible study.
You talk about her sister being married to a catholic, however what type of Catholic is he? Is he lukewarm? Nonpracticing? Is he slowly being erroded away from his faith? Has he compromised his faith in anyway? You need to recognize these things. You also say your girlfriend is making bible study your choice but again this is not true. She is making it conditional – “do this and we can be together.” Also her choice of phrasing about being “confronted” by the Catholic truths already shows she is in a “war” stance when learning about our faith. This is not open mindedness this is a hunker down and prepare her arguements against the Church mind set. She is already marshaling her agruments against Catholicism in her head.
I honestly feel that you don’t know what you are getting yourself into. As an example even today I can still here INC doctrine ringing in my head and it makes me very frusterated. They have very effective techniques to continueously drive home points – even if you feel you can’t be duped.
My advice for you, if you are hell bent on going through with the bible study – which it sounds like you are. DO IT ON YOUR TERMS. Take your time to read and throughouly understand before hand what JW believe. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHURCH BELIEVES AND HOW TO DEFEND IT. Talk to former JW’s and ask them what to expect and what arguements are going to be presented to you. YOU ALSO MUST REQUIRE HER TO GO THROUGH RCIA and periodically attend mass with you. This will help dictate the terms of your “studies.” YOU MUST MAKE MASS A PRIORITY AND GO EVERY WEEKEND if not more often. This will help remind you of your faith and of God.
Tread carefully my friend I truly feel you are on a slippery slope.
I have been following the thread you started and I have to say I am actually a little afraid for you. You seem to already have your mind made up that you are going to do the bible study and you are now rationalizing a lot of your behavior so that you can do it.
You say things that you have a background in apologetics, that you may convert some of them away from JW faith or come up with a JW stumper and that you won’t be converted. These are all rationalization that you are doing to convince yourself that you should go ahead and do the JW bible study.
You talk about her sister being married to a catholic, however what type of Catholic is he? Is he lukewarm? Nonpracticing? Is he slowly being erroded away from his faith? Has he compromised his faith in anyway? You need to recognize these things. You also say your girlfriend is making bible study your choice but again this is not true. She is making it conditional – “do this and we can be together.” Also her choice of phrasing about being “confronted” by the Catholic truths already shows she is in a “war” stance when learning about our faith. This is not open mindedness this is a hunker down and prepare her arguements against the Church mind set. She is already marshaling her agruments against Catholicism in her head.
I honestly feel that you don’t know what you are getting yourself into. As an example even today I can still here INC doctrine ringing in my head and it makes me very frusterated. They have very effective techniques to continueously drive home points – even if you feel you can’t be duped.
My advice for you, if you are hell bent on going through with the bible study – which it sounds like you are. DO IT ON YOUR TERMS. Take your time to read and throughouly understand before hand what JW believe. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHURCH BELIEVES AND HOW TO DEFEND IT. Talk to former JW’s and ask them what to expect and what arguements are going to be presented to you. YOU ALSO MUST REQUIRE HER TO GO THROUGH RCIA and periodically attend mass with you. This will help dictate the terms of your “studies.” YOU MUST MAKE MASS A PRIORITY AND GO EVERY WEEKEND if not more often. This will help remind you of your faith and of God.
Tread carefully my friend I truly feel you are on a slippery slope.
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carguy
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I would stay away from this. From what you have said and what I am reading stay away better safe than sorry. I would rather miss out on love than on Heaven. Also like others have said her this is not like dating someone that is from the Church of England or something this much much different. I pray for you my God keep on the right path.
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TRUTHBETOLDTOAL
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This is my advise, question your faith. Look to the bible for answers. It’s obvious that she has answers from the bible that keep her from mixing with other faiths. I will give you some scriptures to go over and you can reason if your faith is acceptable to God. PSALMS 115: 2-9 1JOHN 5:21 ACTS 17:29 these might help you understand why she doesn’t want to get involved with a Catholic guy. 2CORINTHIANS 6:14,16 be reasonable and don’t take all this personal but I’m sure she knows all these Scriptures and these are the words in Gods word that keeps her focused on pleasing God. (2Corinthians 17,18)
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DJK100
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jnoelbalana14
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Thanks for the advice my friend. Don’t worry,for now,I’m not considering that much to go to Bible Study. I’m quite busy these days because I’m a teacher. Also, I’ll remember to study again and again the Catholic faith and how to defend it. I’m not rushing things… O will also pray for God’s guidance. Thanks alot my friend…
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Khalid
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Jehovah’s Witness rhetoric, if it’s not plainly obvious. See how they love to recruit, and jump at any chance, and use any method? What’s his religion listed as? “Christian”? I think not. “These that keep her focused on pleasing [the JW] god”? “I’m sure she knows all these scriptures” (not because JWs are really that learned in the Bible, but because they’re standard verses used by JWs: when reading Jesus in the Bible, remember - hypostatic union).
Let me add one of my own: “Gimme a break”.
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