Catholic high school, being used for new age abuses

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I don’t really think so. If you were more familiar with the two types of Yoga mentioned you would know they are not just body exercises and meditation techniques. I don’t think the good Cardinal now Pope would approve the wholesale adoption of either of these types of Yoga. I have done some Pilates training and even in that, while the body movements and breating are fine, some of the instructors patter as to what was happening as one went through the motions was . Get a clue before you buy into these things lock, stock, and barrel. MacLean has a good fix on what goes on. It ain’t just breathing exercises.
Pope Benedict has never approved of the wholesale adoption of yoga. He said, however, that it is ok to take bits and pieces from yoga as long as they don’t detract from God.
God is First. Nothing in prayer should detract from that. Yoga can be transformed into meditation of God, the God of Christianity. I still do not see a problem.
 
It seems people are neglecting post 27, where then Cardinal Ratzinger actually supports the use of yoga as long as God is first. I agree completely that Hindu chants are detrimental to the faith. However, the thing in question is New Age Meditation. Don’t we meditate too? Yoga can be incorporated into meditation as long as God is first. Where did we get the Christmas tree? What about Christmas, the holiday? Last I checked, the tree is pagan and so is the date that Christmas is on. But, we were able to incorporate both into our faith and used them to put God first.
I think you kind of missed the point of +Ratzingers statement.

Yoga meditation is an emptying of oneself, Christian mediation is a filling.

The purpose of Yoga meditation is to reduce oneself ( "to become “a drop in the ocean of the infinite and eternal”. The purpose of Christian mediation is to develop oneself.

The reading of Scripture, the recitation of the rosary, study of the lives of the saints are examples of Christian meditiation.

And no, the Christmas tree came from the Holocaust plays done in Advent. It was the tree used to represent the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

And Christmas is the Christ Mass. Since when did pagans celebrate a Mass in honor of Christ’s Incarnation?

The date Christmas is on is a Christian design. Look at both Christmas and the Feast of St. John the Baptist.

St. John’s Feast is near the Summer Solstice, when the days get shorter. For St. John said of himself and the Messiah “as he increases, so I must decrease”

Christmas in on the Winter Solstice as Christ is the Light of the World, and His coming brings a new dawn.
 
And no, the Christmas tree came from the Holocaust plays done in Advent. It was the tree used to represent the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

And Christmas is the Christ Mass. Since when did pagans celebrate a Mass in honor of Christ’s Incarnation?

The date Christmas is on is a Christian design. Look at both Christmas and the Feast of St. John the Baptist.

St. John’s Feast is near the Summer Solstice, when the days get shorter. For St. John said of himself and the Messiah “as he increases, so I must decrease”

Christmas in on the Winter Solstice as Christ is the Light of the World, and His coming brings a new dawn.
Hurray, I didn’t have to say it! Basically, what it boils down to is, both pagans and Christians pick calendar dates that are significant, like solstices and equinoxes. So do Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Korean shamans, and Muslims. Duh…because humans live on a planet with seasons, maybe?

How do you say “similar to it, therefore based on it” in Latin? That gets used so often it needs a Latin name, like “Post hoc ergo propter hoc” or “Ad hominem.” All the best fallacies have Latin names.
 
I think you kind of missed the point of +Ratzingers statement.

Yoga meditation is an emptying of oneself, Christian mediation is a filling.

The purpose of Yoga meditation is to reduce oneself ( "to become “a drop in the ocean of the infinite and eternal”. The purpose of Christian mediation is to develop oneself.

The reading of Scripture, the recitation of the rosary, study of the lives of the saints are examples of Christian meditiation.

And no, the Christmas tree came from the Holocaust plays done in Advent. It was the tree used to represent the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden.

And Christmas is the Christ Mass. Since when did pagans celebrate a Mass in honor of Christ’s Incarnation?

The date Christmas is on is a Christian design. Look at both Christmas and the Feast of St. John the Baptist.

St. John’s Feast is near the Summer Solstice, when the days get shorter. For St. John said of himself and the Messiah “as he increases, so I must decrease”

Christmas in on the Winter Solstice as Christ is the Light of the World, and His coming brings a new dawn.
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 "The Christmas tree is often explained as a Christianization of the ancient pagan idea that the evergreen tree represents a celebration of the renewal of life.[citation needed] In actuality, when the Roman Empire was converted en masse to Christianity, many cultures did not give up their pagan ideals and traditions and so they were incorporated into the Christmas tradition. If the old church wanted to remove a tradition or religion, they did. For example the Serapem in the Library at Alexandria was destroyed because it had Pagan Idols."

"Historically, this date has been venerated in the practice of Voodoo. The famous Voodoo priestess Marie Laveau was said to have held ceremonies involving Voodoo ritual on the Bayou St. John in New Orleans, commemorating St. John's Eve. Modern day practioners of Voodoo have kept the tradition alive."
"The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, “the birthday of the unconquered sun.” The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers’ god of Persian origin.[10] Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[11]
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December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[7] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[2] Solar symbolism was popular with early Christian writers[12] as Jesus was considered to be the "sun of righteousness."[13]"
These quotes are from Wikipedia explaining the pagan background of St. John’s feast, Christmas, and the Christmas tree. If these pagan holidays and things were incorporated into Christianity and altered in order to PLACE GOD FIRST, which is what I’ve been trying to say all along here, then why is it sooooooo wrong to incorporate some excercises and breathing techniques into Christian meditation? You said that the purpose of yoga is to empty one’s self, where christian meditation is to fill one’s self. The pagan holiday of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti is to worship several deities, where Christmas is used to worship God and the birth of His son, Jesus. Same thing. 2 similar holidays that were able to be put together into one, Christian, holiday. If pagan holidays can be altered to give reverence to God, why not a simple yoga technique?
 
Perhaps you didn’t read far enough down in Wikipedia on Christmas Trees?
The modern custom cannot be proved to be directly descended from pagan tradition. It can, however, be traced to 16th century Germany; Ingeborg Weber-Kellermann (Marburg professor of European ethnology) identified as the earliest reference a Bremen guild chronicle of 1570 which reports how a small fir was decorated with apples, nuts, dates, pretzels and paper flowers, and erected in the guild-house, for the benefit of the guild members’ children, who collected the dainties on Christmas day. Another early reference is from Basel, where the tailor apprentices carried around town a tree decorated with apples and cheese in 1597.
Would you care to explain how a ‘pagan’ custom first appeared in the 16th century with no prior references?

And the Mayans had a Solstice festival as well, did they also pick it up from the Roman Army?
 
" 2 similar holidays that were able to be put together into one, Christian, holiday. If pagan holidays can be altered to give reverence to God, why not a simple yoga technique?
Did the OP indicate that it was a christain incorporation Yoga ? or is the gym being used for Yoga?

Your understanding of utilization of “some” of the honorable qualities of “other” religions is borderline syncretism. You do know what syncretism is don’t you?

Yoga is a pagan practice. If only the breathing techniques are allowed to be used or “some” of the princilples are allowed for school use then it can no longer be called Yoga. Regardless of whatever parts of “yoga” are good. The concerpt of Yoga in its entirety are contrary to the faith. and Yoga in its entirety should not be allowed in a Catholic School. No more than wicca in its entirety.

Should the High altar of St. Peters be allowed for a wiccan worship ceremony? Based on your argument it should because some aspects of the wiccan religion are not incompatible with the Catholic faith. An example is the that wicca believes in the Golden rule.
 
Oh yea, and WIKIpedia is the fount of all truth. Jeepers its an online encyclopedia that ANYONE can add to. Using WIKI as your source of Info is not a good idea
Yeah, using wikipedia is so trivial and useless, pretty much like letting a yoga class using a high school classroom.
Also, the quote mentioned that some of the pagan traditions were kept when people converted, and some were scrapped when the tradition in question was used to worship another deity. Please point out where I said that yoga should be used by Catholics to worship another deity. You won't find one. Also, the statement by Cardinal Ratzinger condemned New Age and Yoga because they were used for non-christian practices. Has he condemned the same if they were used to worship God?
 
Particular physical exercises that are common to yoga and that help improve one’s health are perfectly fine. The problem is when a Christian participates in non-Christian Eastern spirituality. If your church is sponsoring an exercise class, it should call it simply an exercise class and omit confusing and possibly scandalous terminology such as yoga. If the church is sponsoring classes in non-Christian Eastern spirituality, that is a serious problem that should be discussed with the pastor.

Can Yoga techniques be used? Yes. But can Yoga itself be practice? NO

It is in a parish shcools benefit to NOT allow Yoga. The vatican has spoken on the issue as somthing that is “risky” practice. WHy play with matches.

VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican Thursday cautioned Roman Catholics that
Eastern meditation practices such as Zen and yoga can ``degenerate into a cult
of the body’’ that debases Christian prayer.
 
Oh please! Yoga as a way of exercising, stretching, relaxing , and meditating is totally harmless. As long as the focus stays on this, there is no harm being done. If the instructors try to actively promote Hindu-ism, then I see a possible reason to be upset, but I don’t think this is the case here.
Rubbishy ideas are always dangerius, but some much less than others. Breathing exercises and the like encourage a magical attitude to health, which encourages anti-science, and then a magical attitude to other areas of life.

Popes aren’t always aware of all the facts. The Pope is not a scientist, after all.

The problem, ironically, is not active promotion of Hinduism. Use of a Church Hall by a Hindu group could be justified on the grounds of good relations. The problem is subtly anti-Christian ideas dressed up as something neutral.

Incidentally I would need a lot of persuading that the average person needs to be taught how to breathe properly.
 
Particular physical exercises that are common to yoga and that help improve one’s health are perfectly fine. The problem is when a Christian participates in non-Christian Eastern spirituality. If your church is sponsoring an exercise class, it should call it simply an exercise class and omit confusing and possibly scandalous terminology such as yoga. If the church is sponsoring classes in non-Christian Eastern spirituality, that is a serious problem that should be discussed with the pastor.

Can Yoga techniques be used? Yes. But can Yoga itself be practice? NO

It is in a parish shcools benefit to NOT allow Yoga. The vatican has spoken on the issue as somthing that is “risky” practice. WHy play with matches.

VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican Thursday cautioned Roman Catholics that
Eastern meditation practices such as Zen and yoga can ``degenerate into a cult
of the body’’ that debases Christian prayer.
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You and I are on the same page here. The OP has not mentioned if the students are in it or not. From what I see, this particular class just needs room and it just so happens that it is at a Catholic school.
From a personal experience, I see no problem with this. When my church was being renovated, the protestant university next door allowed us to celebrate Mass in one of their conference rooms. I see the same here. A non-Catholic group wants to practice their form of meditation in a Catholic school. We did no harm when we celebrated Mass in a non-Catholic, yet religious, environment. Perhaps instead of complaining, the OP should suggest maybe just alerting the students and staff about Yoga and the Church stance on it. Also include that the Church is tolerant (or accepting maybe?) of other faiths and the off hours renting out of rooms is a sign of that.
 
Oh yea, and WIKIpedia is the fount of all truth. Jeepers its an online encyclopedia that ANYONE can add to. Using WIKI as your source of Info is not a good idea
Isn’t that the truth!! My 13 year old was “editing” Wikipedia today with his friends. They now know to never use it as a reliable source!

For a time today (and maybe still), PETA stood for “People Eating Tasty Animals”.😃

His school (which is listed) president was Darth Vadar.:eek:

Places were suddenly located elsewhere than most maps would show.:rolleyes:

etc…

I reprimanded him, but he learned to never trust Wikipedia as a source and to thoroughly research anything and everything! 😉
 
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