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Ed_Rand
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I think this puts you at odds with the Church. I believe JPII apologized for the abuses and carnage of the Crusades and Inquisitions.
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joseph_virgen
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i’ve often wondered what manner of gratification people get by continually reliving the past. it cannot change. oh, yes, to the victor goes the spoils, but do righteous individuals of the Faith want to be lumped with them. no. we can take a hint by the Nazarene who did not dwell in the past. he forced people to look at the here and now, and decide what manner of moral life he or she was leading.
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OneTrueCathApos
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I also wonder who and what kinds of people put into the hearts and minds of non-Catholic Christians that make us seem like such monsters…but when the tables are turned and they are responsible for death and destruction, oh…it’s a different story.
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benedictus2
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How about people guided by the devil? The devil is the father of lies so anyone who spreads these lies are speaking with the demon’s tongue when you come to think about it.
Only the devil has an interest in attacking the Body of Christ.
As po18guy put it so succintly :
Does the Holy Spirit Unite?
Does the demon divide?
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requiemaeturnum
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Yes, he apologised for some of the actions- not the calling for the Crusades or the Inquisitions. In fact if he did that, then he would be at odds with the Church, as I think 4 Grand Inquisitors are now Saints.
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CWBetts
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The Church did nothing wrong for calling them. Unless. of course rooting out heresy and recapturing the Holy Land from Islam would have been a bad thing…
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Chancellare
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I think you misunderstood Requiem’s post. JP II apologized for the abuse where there were abuses. The abuses that happened in the Crusades and Inquisitions were committed by the people who miscarried the mission set forth by the Church. The Crusade was in response to Islamist first blood and the Inquisition was in response to heresies in France and Spain mostly. The fact that the Church did not order people to commit abuses is too strong a truth to accept for some who have been taught hatred and lies.
This is because some people read anti-Catholic literature and turn a blind eye to historical facts.
These are the facts and they are incontrovertible.
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Chancellare
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Reinventing accusations is not a Christian virtue.
Don’t you ever learn? The Pharisees invented false accusations to justify themselves and they became the greatest villains in Scriptures, not the accused. Even Judas looked dignified and paled in comparison to their vileness and hatred. Are you lining up too?
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Ed_Rand
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Wow! I guess I have to do some researching on these issues then. I just felt that since the Church apologized, then she was obviously admitting guilt. I’ll get back to you.
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OneTrueCathApos
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Are you talking about Martin Luther who in fact did indeed attack the Body of Christ, his church?
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benedictus2
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Yep, and every single person involved in the Deformation (err “reformation”)
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Cinette
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benedictus2
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Cinette, that’s asking for too much.You need to study history my friend!
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Methodi
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If we didnt talk about things from the past, what would we talk about, every nanno second that passes is the past
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benedictus2
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AAhh un-substantiated claims again. Stop parroting the devil please and READ, READ, READ. And the Truth will set you free.
Why are you so afraid to learn the truth?
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benedictus2
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Very good point.
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patrick457
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Uh, Catholics are THE “Bible Christians,” in the truest sense of the word. How can someone stand up against himself?
And “False Gospel”? Where did the True Gospel go? Did it fly off? Get lost? Misplaced? Was Jesus actually a liar in promising that the gates of Hades shall not prevail against His Ekklesia? Did He abandon His own flock to be devoured by wolves?
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benedictus2
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You know what, such statements just show how ignorant you are of history.
In your post 172 you made claims which you were forced to admit was a lie, fabricated by protestants. And I asked you before, who is the father lies? Isn’t he non-other than the devil.
And all you had to do to verify it was a quick google search and yet you posted the lie anyway. Why? Because you want to maintain the lie? So who is your father now? HHHmmm
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Cinette
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Your ignorance of history is disturbing. It screams of bigotry and severe ignorance - you do a huge disservice to the cause of Protestantism.
You do not debate. In fact, you cannot debate because you do not qualify to do so. All you do is make statements - sweeping statements. Your fellow Protestants cannot be proud of you - in fact, they must be blushing:blush: and crying :crying: for you to stop.
Do yourself a favour. Be honest with yourself - “to thine own self be true”. Study history. You will not only find it interesting. You will be happy you did so.
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King_of_kings
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Can you give us some examples? I am not saying we did not have problems or bad people in the church, we did. but I really would love if you can give us some disturbing things you heard about the church.
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