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Vince1022
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The Catholic Church does not teach nor believe that the Pope is infallible.
Catholic & Homosexual
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stevealbert99
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correction:
To all Catholic homosexuals: homosexual acts are not wrong, do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
That is all.
To all Catholic homosexuals: homosexual acts are not wrong, do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
That is all.
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InSearchofGrace
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Correction:
What you posted is CONTRARY to Catholic teaching. Catholics know what the Church teaches on the matter.
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stevealbert99
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and the church is wrong on the matter
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joe19scotland
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OK… Where do i start!?
1st question - WHAT CENTUARY DO WE LIVE IN ?
2nd question - ARE YOU REALLY CATHOLIC IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS ARE EVIL?
Ok so quote this and quote that from the bible does not relate to homosexuals or our church in this modern world. Grow up and wake up people i know that i am a ROMAN CATHOLIC and as a catholic i love everyone and know no hatred towards anyone especialy towards homosexuals who struggle enough!
You want to quotes quote our lord jesus who spoke of love and forgiveness or please do carry on hating and being very small minded or be the cahtolic who you were baptised to be.
If you want to talk about evil acts homosexuals commit examine the words you speak against not the homosexual but against one of gods children.
God bless
Joe
1st question - WHAT CENTUARY DO WE LIVE IN ?
2nd question - ARE YOU REALLY CATHOLIC IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS ARE EVIL?
Ok so quote this and quote that from the bible does not relate to homosexuals or our church in this modern world. Grow up and wake up people i know that i am a ROMAN CATHOLIC and as a catholic i love everyone and know no hatred towards anyone especialy towards homosexuals who struggle enough!
You want to quotes quote our lord jesus who spoke of love and forgiveness or please do carry on hating and being very small minded or be the cahtolic who you were baptised to be.
If you want to talk about evil acts homosexuals commit examine the words you speak against not the homosexual but against one of gods children.
God bless
Joe
The_Reginator
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OK… Where do i start!?
1st question - WHAT CENTUARY DO WE LIVE IN ?
How is that relevant?
Truth about faith and morals do not change, even if the world’s ideas about morality changes. What the world preaches outside of God’s Church is irrelevant here.
2nd question - ARE YOU REALLY CATHOLIC IF YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALS ARE EVIL?
One can still be a very mistaken Roman Catholic and think that homosexuals are evil.
This is a more important question: Can a person still claim to be a Catholic while participating in morally wrong behaviour? Participating in homosexual *acts * endanger one’s immortal soul. Fornication, homo or heterosexual, also lead to hell.
If you want to talk about evil acts homosexuals commit examine the words you speak against not the homosexual but against one of gods children.
Good point! We all need to learn to speak charitably. Sometimes strongly though. (Jesus didn’t pull any punches.)
God bless
Joe
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voglhund
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I wondered how true it is to say that the truth has not changed especially when you look at something like slavery. Granted the Old Testament talks about Jubilee when slaves are freed but Paul tells slaves to be submissive to their masters with no mention of freedom. It took the Church centuries to finally ban the practice. Most would say that owning another human being is immoral. Did the truth change? Some would say “yes.”
If you were to study the homosexual practices at the time of the Old Testament, you would find that those practices were associated with pagan religious rituals. It is obvious why those are condemned in Scripture. When we look at what was going on during New Testament times we see homosexual practices still associated with pagan religious practices. We see the Church fathers write against pedastry which is men having sex with boys. Most would agree that molesting children is immoral. None of this is similar to homosexuality as we understand it today. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing.
Could the Church change it’s understanding of homosexuality and give Catholic homosexuals a message other than suck it up, embrace celibacy, and suffer with Christ?
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BlueShadow123
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It definitely is a huge dilemma. Depends on how you interpret scripture though. I have posted videos of a guy who works in a network that is gay christians. They interpret scripture differently I guess.
As for being gay, I guess thats why many gay people are atheists, because then they feel like they won’t be as judged and that it will be okay for them to have sex with the person they love.
However us as Christans know they can try to get away with it in this life, but next life they will be held accountable.
As for being gay, I guess thats why many gay people are atheists, because then they feel like they won’t be as judged and that it will be okay for them to have sex with the person they love.
However us as Christans know they can try to get away with it in this life, but next life they will be held accountable.
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voglhund
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I certainly believe that every human being will be held accountable for his/her actions. I haven’t met a gay or lesbian Christian/Catholic who thinks otherwise. They have studied, prayed, sought godly counsel, and in the end, follow their consciences. Some embrace celibacy. Others stay in the Church and put up with the folks who are quick to tell them their committing mortal sin and are going to hell. What a cross to carry when you are doing your best to cooperate with the grace of God. Sadly, there are those who walk away from the Church. They can’t listen to people continue to tell them that they can’t possibly know Christ and they’re going to hell because they’re in a relationship with someone they love. They have difficulty responding to such people with charity. They feel the rejection of those in the church as well as their families. Some even contemplate suicide. To end the conflict they walk away from the church. Very sad but not beyond the reach of God I think.
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larkin31
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Not all Catholic churches repeat these teachings of the sin of homosexuality in their services and consider other matters of much greater importance. Several posters here have referred to their own parishes in this regard. Not all Catholic gays need feel so castigated and disparaged, but it is quite difficult, yes.
And, as a former Protestant, I can say that worshipping outside the CC is not beyond the reach of Jesus at all.
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PJM
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But above all, please offer your suffering for the salvation of souls.
For One to be an INACTIVE homosexual and Catholic is Good and very GOOD!
For one to be an active homosexual and “Catholic” is a contradiction in terms.
Jesus is the personal designer of all of our crosses,and has promised NEVER to assign a cross that HE AND YOU can’t [not saying easily] handle.
For one to think it is possible to share in God’s Glory without first sharing in Christ Suffering, is SADLY and GROSSLY lacking proper understanding.
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
**Phil.2: 8 **“And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. **Luke.14: 7 **Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”
Phil.1: 29 “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, “
Everything that is GOOD is possible with and through Jesus Christ. Let us PRAY!
May God Bless abundtly those who are suffering this heavy burden!
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benedictus2
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The 21st Century. But what has that got to do with anything?OK… Where do i start!?
1st question - WHAT CENTUARY DO WE LIVE IN ?
Do you think perhaps in the 27th century we can say murder is permissible and maybe in the 28th century we can give the stamp of approval to paedophilla?
Are you really Catholic if you do not even know that the Catholic Church that homosexuals are not evil. What is evil is the practice of homosexuality. One may have a homosexual orientation but so long as they do not give in to this disordered desire, then they are not doing anything evil.
What’s so great about the modern world. We have sexual deviance gone mad, wars and terrorism. So yes, in such a rotten state, good honest morality would probably have no place.
Who says we should hate homosexuals. Neither should we condone the homosexual act. Confirming others in their sin is not loving.
And the homosexual act is a sin that must be repented of to be forgiven. There has to be a recognition of one’s sin before there can be repentance and forgiveness.
The problem these days is that people have gone fuzzy wuzzy with regards sin.
The act is sinful period. You are not helping them by saying it is okay when it is something they should repent of. By doing so you are confirming them in their sin and you are moving the moral goals to what suits the world than what God has decreed.
We are not the arbiter of morality. God is.
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CalifCatholic
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True. It is a disorder. Only the “act” is a sin
To the OP: Why did you want only certain Catholics to offer up their sufferings? I don’t get the premise of this thread.
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benedictus2
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I don’t think that was his intent.True. It is a disorder. Only the “act” is a sin
To the OP: Why did you want only certain Catholics to offer up their sufferings? I don’t get the premise of this thread.
I think what he is saying here is that maybe this is something that homosexuals have not thought of, that this is an affliction that they can bring to Christ for the salvation of souls.
When we think of suffering, we most commonly think of health and trials that heterosexuals undergo. But if homosexuals can see this as a trial, then they will realize that God is actually calling them to a share in his suffering and therefore it is redemptive.
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CalifCatholic
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True. It is a disorder. Only the “act” is a sin
To the OP: Why did you want only certain Catholics to offer up their sufferings? I don’t get the premise of this thread.
That would require that the homosexual recognizes his/her disorder AS a disorder. Most do not, at least not from my observations.
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benedictus2
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Yes, that is true.
And yet the other day, I read a post from a homosexual that just blew me.
I will try to add the link to his post when I find it.
Also, there are the likes of David MacDonald who has even set up a very comprehensive Catholic Apologetics site.
So, yes, if we can get these kind of people to give their testimonies, there is hope.
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SouthpawLink
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Slavery, in principle, is not evil (cf. Holy Office decree of 20 June 1866). How it has been so often practiced, however, is sinful, and has been justly condemned by the Pontiffs. So no, the truth has not changed in this regard.
Has the Church always condemned homosexual acts only when they were tied up in some pagan ritual? No, of course not. Catholic morality states that human actions have purposes. Homosexual actions defeat the purpose and legitimate use of the sexual organs: procreation among married people. Remember also that fornication and masturbation are also sexual sins. Would you suggest that the Church change her teaching with regard to those acts as well?
Notice that around 90% of the cases in the recent scandal involved priests molesting boys (whether children or adolescents). Even still, it’s true that both heterosexuals and homosexuals can be pedophiles, but in which group the problem predominates, I do not know.
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joe19scotland
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Ok 1st point you say is - " Do you think perhaps in the 27th century we can say murder is permissible and maybe in the 28th century we can give the stamp of approval to paedophilla? "
Now may i say i really do think that is off the topic no one has mentioned a stamp of approval to murder and paedophillia those are evil acts.
The century we live in has everything in the matter i am part a progressive church not a regressive one the century we live in is a fast moving and modern world and the church must walk with the world. As the church used to say science was evil to a certain point in history. Thats why what century we live in has every thing to do with the point. Peoples attitude change and as a catholic a young catholic i have learned from reading and learning of love of our lord my attitude changes towards homosexuals they are not evil and i find very hard to say the act is.
Brings me to my second issue they are not evil but the act is!
If the act is evil you call them evil and i am most sure that the god i know would never call one of his children EVIL.
What a homosexual needs is to see the tradition of love and mercy and care of our holy catholic church.
Not a small minded church with catholics views that the acts they commit are evil as their evil is normal for them show them care not hate!
“FUZZY WUZZY WITH REGARDS TO SIN” - If you are a catholic you truely know when you hae sinned an urge to confess. People who go fuzzy wuzzy to sin perhaps have more of the lord in them than you and i as you could say the lrd in his time went fuzzy wuzzy to sin by showing love and care towards a prostitute and other on the margins of society!
Yes show them forgiveness as they have sinned we all have but show them renewal !
God bless joe.
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joe19scotland
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MANY OF US HERE ON FORUMS LIKE OUR QUOTES FROM THE CATHECISM AND CANNON LAW AND THE HOLY BIBLE WE’LL IN REALTION TO HOMOSEXUAL ACTS PLEASE FIND THE WORDS OF CHRIST.
MATTHEW 13-14
THE NARROW GATE
It very much easier to hate but a lot harder to love the sinner ?!
Please be a progressive catholic and help the church walk in union with the world and the vuneralbe.
GOD BLESS JOE:thumbsup:
MATTHEW 13-14
THE NARROW GATE
Many of you will use this to support your argument evil homosexuals i.e. evil acts. Well i look to these words and i state the obvious that we all walk the same road but which gate we go for is a choice of morals. And many of you i look upon as having a wide gate path as the above does state “the wide gate and road that leads there is easy” well what is easier to say EVIL HOMOSEXUALS AND THE ACTS THEY COMMIT ARE EVIL or LOVE AND MERCY AND SUPPORT OF CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS TO HOMOSEXUALS??
It very much easier to hate but a lot harder to love the sinner ?!
Please be a progressive catholic and help the church walk in union with the world and the vuneralbe.
GOD BLESS JOE:thumbsup:
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InSearchofGrace
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Yes, they have bought into the secular disregard of Church teaching (that homosexual acts are sinful, as are fornication and adultery) and the idea that homosexual behavior is normal (which is against divine and natural law).
If one were Catholic and homosexual, it is easier to walk away from the Church and join society’s agnostic cheerleaders who find nothing wrong with homosexual behavior.
There are in fact those who will come on this forum, self describing progressive Catholics and non-Catholics, who will preach as though they speak for the Church, using their subjective interpretation of Church teaching. They don’t.
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