Catholic interpretation of Matthew 27:46

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I came across a post in a Goth/Punk forum asking how Christians understand Jesus’ cry, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” in Matthew 27:46. I remember researching that back before the Internet, and I never found an answer. It seems that G-d’s grace has brought me back to it:)

My thought back then was that it was Jesus experiencing the abandonment that a sinful soul feels at the moment of death, but I wasn’t any Aquainas back then, so I’ve never held too much stock in that.

Any references would be most appreciated.
 
Jewish people recited the psalms and any Jew within earshot would have recognized that Jesus was quoting a psalm 22. Psalm 21 in the DR bible.

It begins like this.
*1 Unto the end, for the morning protection, a psalm for David. 2 **O God my God, look upon me: why hast thou forsaken me? ***
And ends like this
*31 And to him my soul shall live: and my seed shall serve him. 32 There shall be declared to the Lord a generation to come: and the heavens shall shew forth his justice to a people that shall be born, which the Lord hath made. *
He was revealing Himself to the end. What looked like ( and perhaps felt like) defeat was really victory is His message in saying this.
 
Benadam said:
Jewish people recited the psalms and any Jew within earshot would have recognized that Jesus was quoting a psalm 22. Psalm 21 in the DR bible.

It begins like this.

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And ends like this

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He was revealing Himself to the end. What looked like ( and perhaps felt like) defeat was really victory is His message in saying this.
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Good post. I have often wondered what many of those who were present at Calvary must have thought as they remembered that Psalm.
 
=David Eckel;5727311]I came across a post in a Goth/Punk forum asking how Christians understand Jesus’ cry, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” in Matthew 27:46. I remember researching that back before the Internet, and I never found an answer. It seems that G-d’s grace has brought me back to it:)
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My thought back then was that it was Jesus experiencing the abandonment that a sinful soul feels at the moment of death, but I wasn’t any Aquainas back then, so I’ve never held too much stock in that.
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Any references would be most appreciated.
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From Haydock’s Catholic Comentary

". (John xix. 26. and 27.) 4. Here (ver. 46) he cried out with a loud voice, Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani, i.e. my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? These words, out of Psalm xxi. 1[2?], were to express his violent sufferings. The Arians objected them against the divinity of Christ; to whom the Fathers answer, that he spoke these words in the person of sinners, for whose sake he suffered, as they shew by the following words of the same Psalm: far from my salvation are the words of my sins: which cannot be applied to Christ, he being incapable of sinning. Besides, these words may be expounded as a prayer, by which he desires of his Father, not to be abandoned any longer, but that his sufferings may now have an end. In fine, that these words were uttered with an entire confidence, and an assurance in the presence and assistance of God, appears by what he presently added, recommending his spirit into the hands of his Father"
 
David_Eckel said:
I came across a post in a Goth/Punk forum asking how Christians understand Jesus’ cry, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” in Matthew 27:46. I remember researching that back before the Internet, and I never found an answer. It seems that G-d’s grace has brought me back to it:)

My thought back then was that it was Jesus experiencing the abandonment that a sinful soul feels at the moment of death, but I wasn’t any Aquainas back then, so I’ve never held too much stock in that.

Any references would be most appreciated.
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This is called a Todah. Commonly found in the Psalms, part of Jewish worship, whereby the soul cries out for God saying “why have you forsaken me?” but the soul knows, at the same time, that God will answer the cry with overwhelming help and victory. That is Why Jesus worshiped God with a Todah on the Cross. What immediately followed was overwhelming victory, and Jesus knew that.
 
Just out of curiosity, more for my betterment of understanding, What exactly did Jesus mean, Why have you forsaken me? It seems doubting to me or I dont know, I would imagine he’d say, here I come, put a few on ice or something. You know? It just seems doubtful or negative. Any insight? I’m not questioning anything but maybe what was running through his mind at the time or what made him say that, besides the obvious stigmata. Thanks.

Respectfully,

Jason
 
Jason_1977 said:
Just out of curiosity, more for my betterment of understanding, What exactly did Jesus mean, Why have you forsaken me? It seems doubting to me or I dont know, I would imagine he’d say, here I come, put a few on ice or something. You know? It just seems doubtful or negative. Any insight? I’m not questioning anything but maybe what was running through his mind at the time or what made him say that, besides the obvious stigmata. Thanks.

Respectfully,

Jason
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This is called a Todah. Commonly found in the Psalms, part of Jewish worship, whereby the soul cries out for God saying “why have you forsaken me?” but the soul knows, at the same time, that God will answer the cry with overwhelming help and victory. That is Jesus worshipping God with a Todah on the Cross. What immediately followed was overwhelming victory, and Jesus knew that.
 
I gotcha. I knew he said it, you hear it quoted at easter, you hear it during the stations of the cross, but I often wondered, what a negative thing to be saying in such a moment of triumph, and I never really understood the nature of what he was saying I guess I could say? Thanks, So he was actually glorifying or worshipping God by saying that, and not essentially asking wtf? GOT IT…thanks!
 
Jason_1977 said:
I gotcha. I knew he said it, you hear it quoted at easter, you hear it during the stations of the cross, but I often wondered, what a negative thing to be saying in such a moment of triumph, and I never really understood the nature of what he was saying I guess I could say? Thanks, So he was actually glorifying or worshipping God by saying that, and not essentially asking wtf? GOT IT…thanks!
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listen, Psalm 22. begins with “MY God, My God, why have you forsaken me?” this whole Psalm is exactly what Jesus is going through while being put to death. But it ends with incredible victory and Jesus knows that. The Jews would woship God by echoing this statement “Where are you God?” this statment is at the same time filled with the happiness and knowledge that God does hear my cry and he is not far away. And this will end in Victory. It is a statement of faith that God is coming. it is worship.
 
Gotcha. Must be a cultural difference, because I would say something like that in fear. Interesting. Thanx!
 
Jason, Jesus reveals the disposition of the innocent heart while suffering. He is not blaming God for foresaking him, nor feeling like God has allowed some unjustice or that he suffers evil. He is not taking the advise of Job’s wife. The innocent heart just asks God why?
 
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