Catholic Knighthood and the Second Estate

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*Friend, you are not correct on this matter. The Johanniterorden was a contrived manifestation of the Hospitaller/St. John spirit created by the Lutheran Evangelical Church of Germany after the original Knights of Malta were split up in 1798. They were always an elitist bunch who refused entry to anyone who was not noble, Lutheran, or German (often Prussian). The Johanniterorden is entirely connected with the St. John Ambulance, by the way, so they’re not all evil. 😉

You must remember that the original Cross of St. John (“Maltese Cross”) was not adopted by even the official Order of St. John of Jerusalem - the Hospitallers - until 1530, when they were granted Malta. Before that, they had simply used the original crusader cruciforms on their surcoats, but nothing special. Once the cross was adopted in 1530 and the Knights repelled the Turkish siege in 1565, they briefly regained their status as an ancient crusader order of chivalry and skill. 🙂 This meant that many presumptuous kings started to take the Maltese Cross as their own, and especially in the late 19th century. They created their own “orders of chivalry”, all managing to steal the poor St. John’s cross. Practically every king, emperor, or duke (Catholic and Protestant alike) can be seen with a Maltese Cross pinned on in photographs between 1850 and 1910. This does not mean they were of the same order which that German gentleman of your photograph was in.

The modern Catholic order is not anywhere near akin to the Protestant offshoots of 1798-1914. Please be clear about that: the Catholic Order, the original Hospitallers of 1113, who started with chain-mail armour and now use the internet, are still around and recently relaxed the standards one must fulfill in order to be a Knight. Either way, their Order always allowed non-nobles to join the Brother-Sergeants; just not Brother-Knights. Now, there’s practically no difference! On the other hand, since all the Protestant monarchies who instituted the elitist Johanniterorden are gone (1918), it doesn’t technically exist anymore, except as St. John Ambulance and its related societies.*

Thanks for the explanation. MY error.

William Unland
 
It’s the first I’ve ever heard of this. I don’t know that they have anything like it in the US. There is the Knights of Columbus. kofc.org/un/eb/en/about/history/index.html
The KofC are in fact considered the lowest order of Papal Knights. All 3rd degree knights are supposed to be dubbed; at that point one is in fact a knight in the eyes of the church. The fancy regalia is 4th degree, tho. Many members of the Order are unaware of that, or only nominally cognizant of it.

And its actually downplayed quite a bit.
 
At least in a system of less-democratic focus, real virtuous men can come to destroy or to supplant an evil order; however, in pure democracies and democratic republics, the stupidity and sin of human beings is given free reign by votes and opinion polls.
We’ve also seen the depths of depravity and horrible government during the Age of Kings, too. It is only wishful thinking that a return to the ways of old will return us to a more acceptable society, especially when we keep in mind that the Church has historically suffered at the hands of its own children.
 
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