Catholic League on “THE BOOK OF DANIEL”

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“THE BOOK OF DANIEL” IS VINTAGE HOLLYWOOD

“Here’s a real cultural marker: Christian groups are protesting ‘The Book of Daniel’ and the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) is encouraging its members to watch it. Not that this is altogether unusual given the way Christians, especially the clergy, are portrayed on TV and in the movies. Couple this with the almost uniformly positive portrayal of homosexuals, and the conclusion that Hollywood has an agenda is inescapable.”

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Hollywood is really shoving the homosexual agenda down our throats with this, Brokeback Mountain, etc. It seems to have happened so fast, where, for awhile you would find one homosexual character on a show once in awhile, now every show on TV has at least one homosexual character, and several shows have them as main characters. If this is supposed to be a representation of what true society is like, I’m not getting it. I live in the Los Angeles area, and I don’t know that many homosexuals!
 
susie g.:
Hollywood is really shoving the homosexual agenda down our throats with this, Brokeback Mountain, etc. It seems to have happened so fast, where, for awhile you would find one homosexual character on a show once in awhile, now every show on TV has at least one homosexual character, and several shows have them as main characters. If this is supposed to be a representation of what true society is like, I’m not getting it. I live in the Los Angeles area, and I don’t know that many homosexuals!
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When has TV been a representation of true society?
 
just as hollyweird did when the first black characters were introduced in TV series, so they are doing with homosexual characters: introducing every cliche and every stereotype, using them to construct a character, and thereby demeaning the actors chosen to portray those cardboard characters. think Jimmy Walker, George Jefferson, and every black criminal character on TV and movies. Either those characters were shiftless, jive-talking vehicles for very lame race-centered jokes, or the archtypical pimp, drug dealer, or thug. Some stars fell into the mold and seemed bent on making the stereotypes come true, like Richard Pryor, some good actors fortunately rose above it, like Bill Cosby.

Ellen Degeneres portrayed, when here series opened, a woman who was single, ran a business, did not cater to fashion, bought out of the whole make-up/hair/vanity thing, had an unsuccessful dating life, ergo she must be a lesbian as she only belatedly discovered herself. The only other models of femininity acknowledged by the writers was the baby-talking, stupid, manipulative daddy’s girl, or the fashion queen sex pistol.

the gay character on Spin City could not make an entrance without spitting out cliches and mincing mannerisms calculated to irritate homophobes everywhere.

TV deals in cliches because good writing, like good journalism is neither encouraged nor rewarded in fantasy land.
 
It is true, in TV the more real-to-life portrayals are usually the most abstract. Once a show tries to be true-to-life, that is usually when they veer from reality the most.

My life is not an edgy melodrama nor is it a laugh-a-minute fun spectacular.

My life is a desperate battle between the forces of good and evil as I daily struggle to remain with the forces of light and avoid deception from Satan. It is a life of angels and saints, demons and traitors moving all around me. It is a life where my every thought and deed is imbued with eternal significance – held up to the unwavering scrutiny of Eternal Good. And it starts every morning alone in my room with bed-head hair, a sloppy bowl of cold cereal, and a stalwart determination to make the world a better place.

The people who make TV shows haven’t the slightest clue how to portray real life.

It does seem as if there was a very short pendulum swing in our favor a while back with some actually laudatory coverage of JPII and (I hear) a very well-done documentary. No doubt this recent spate is a concerted effort to avoid looking like lap dogs to the Secularists.

But how many of us actually watch TV anymore? I stopped over a year ago. It seems from other threads posted on watching habits show this is the norm. If TV is a business and their main customers are rabid anti-intellectuals (is there any other kind of viewer?) maybe we should let them sit on the couch, lost in their electronic halcyon…
 
Probably the show will be typically inane and culturally vapid, but I hate to see the protests against it, as that will only make it more popular. If Christians watch “Desperate Housewives,” why would they not watch a sitcom about a dysfunctional Christian family headed by an Episcopalian priest who talks to a laid-back Jesus?
 
Has anyone actually seen the episode?

I saw it; it wasn’t half bad.
 
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JimG:
Probably the show will be typically inane and culturally vapid, but I hate to see the protests against it, as that will only make it more popular. If Christians watch “Desperate Housewives,” why would they not watch a sitcom about a dysfunctional Christian family headed by an Episcopalian priest who talks to a laid-back Jesus?
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I agree about the protests comment. Everytime there is protest about a show or a movie it does make it more popular. I wish more people would see it that way. To Hollywood, negative advertising is still advertising and protest give the movie or show free publicity.
 
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Ahimsa:
Has anyone actually seen the episode?

I saw it; it wasn’t half bad.
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I watched it last night, and actually, it was worse than I had expected. I knew ahead of time about the priest’s drug habit, gay son, drug dealing teenage daughter, other son sleeping with girlfriend, and lesbian sister-in-law. What I didn’t know the show had was a Roman Catholic priest connected to the mob, priest asking couple that comes for pre-marital counseling, “How are things in the bedroom?”, priests father (a bishop) sleeping with another bishop (female) even though his wife is still alive (with Alzheimers), and other completely inappropriate things. And the “Jesus” character is totally lame. Absolutely no backbone, and not that much wisdom to impart.

But, I think I also agree about the protests. Just like when “The Last Temptation of Christ” came out all those years ago, and the Christian community made such a huge fuss. People flocked to that movie who otherwise would not have. Most people came out saying that it was “boring.” Sometimes big protests bring desired publicity to a show or movie that otherwise might not even be that good. It’s hard to know when to stand up against this kind of offensive material and when to let it go, in my opinion.

“Book of Daniel” is a highly offensive show. I watched it last night to see what the fuss was about, and never again.
 
Since you took the time to watch it, do you remember who the sponsors were, so we can write them and ask not to support this program. That’s the only way we can attack this abomination…money talks. I have no desire to watch this trash myself, but it upsets me that impressionable teens and even pre-teens will watch it since it is not late night.
 
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StubbleSpark:
But how many of us actually watch TV anymore? I stopped over a year ago. It seems from other threads posted on watching habits show this is the norm.
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Isn’t that the truth! There was a write up on this show in our local newspaper yesterday with a picture of Jesus leaning against the door of a church with this Episcopalian priest in front of him. Nope, not going to go there. With the exception of some science and history programs on PBS about all we’ve been watching is the Food Network. History, Learning and Discovery channels have all sold out to vapid sensationalism. May watch a movie on Sci-Fi every now and again and that is it. No wonder people are turning off the tube.
 
I watch TV, just not junk. I felt my time was wasted by NBC last night. But I wanted to know how bad it was.

Now I know. It was WORSE than the clips. I later went out to rateitall.com, where the creator of the show pleaded with people to “give it a chance.” No way, no how, after last night’s two hours of nothing but Hollywood’s agenda.

Acting: Bad. Casting: Not great. Props and settings: Not all that hot, and fakey in spots.

If Mr. Kenny was hoping for “Joan of Arcadia” or “7th Heaven” he missed the boat. Joan lived in a world of natural law. There were consequences for her actions. And at times the actions of others very clearly effected her through no fault of her own. Eric and Annie Camden want to live their lives by God’s law, and take a stand even it means being unpopular with their children or those around them.

“Daniel” was all moral relativism. Nothing was ever wrong, no actions were ever bad, all people were “good” all of the time despite their actions. There are no absolutes in this world, except for those with non-liberal agendas. Even the daughter’s pot dealing was more a of a nuisance than a crime.

Further, Mr. Kenny clearly likes form over substance, as Father Webster takes on all the trappings of a Catholic (oil, HUGE stole to go to the bedside of a dying woman, stained-glass tableau, etc.). But standing up for a moral compass one way or the other- no chance. Father Webster’s superior is female, also drawn to illicit use of drugs, and as stated by somebody else, having an affair with Father Webster’s father, also a bishop.

And the protrayal of Jesus! Allegedly, Kenny points out in his blurb on Rateitall that the Jesus is the Jesus Father Webster “has known all his life and learned to love.” So Jesus is a smart-mouth, laid-back Deity who really doesn’t do anything but travel along for the ride?

Finally, as somebody mentioned, there is the issue of the Catholic priest who is “connected”. If the Catholic Anti-Defamation League hadn’t said something, the Italian Anti-Defamation League should have!

rateitall.com/i-551978-book-of-daniel–nbc.aspx
 
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stbruno:
Since you took the time to watch it, do you remember who the sponsors were, so we can write them and ask not to support this program. That’s the only way we can attack this abomination…money talks. I have no desire to watch this trash myself, but it upsets me that impressionable teens and even pre-teens will watch it since it is not late night.
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Done!
 
Now that I think about it, I don’t remember any commercials during the show. Just Olympics and other NBC programming trailers.

And the voice/sound-track seemed a bit off. A little censoring, perhaps?
 
susie g.:
I watched it last night, and actually, it was worse than I had expected. I knew ahead of time about the priest’s drug habit, gay son, drug dealing teenage daughter, other son sleeping with girlfriend, and lesbian sister-in-law. What I didn’t know the show had was a Roman Catholic priest connected to the mob, priest asking couple that comes for pre-marital counseling, “How are things in the bedroom?”, priests father (a bishop) sleeping with another bishop (female) even though his wife is still alive (with Alzheimers), and other completely inappropriate things. And the “Jesus” character is totally lame. Absolutely no backbone, and not that much wisdom to impart.

But, I think I also agree about the protests. Just like when “The Last Temptation of Christ” came out all those years ago, and the Christian community made such a huge fuss. People flocked to that movie who otherwise would not have. Most people came out saying that it was “boring.” Sometimes big protests bring desired publicity to a show or movie that otherwise might not even be that good. It’s hard to know when to stand up against this kind of offensive material and when to let it go, in my opinion.

“Book of Daniel” is a highly offensive show. I watched it last night to see what the fuss was about, and never again.
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I watched for about a half hour just to be prepared for those who would watch it and Lord help us, probably like it. I too found it to be highly offensive. I was appalled by the way Jesus was portrayed as a weak “Hippie” type character who IMO looked more liked Charles Manson. I had to turn it off when the Italian Catholic priest was presented as a thug like figure.:mad:
 
Got to love those comments at rateitall.com, but my personall favourite is…“I have to agree with a few of the people disapproving of this show; especially jen4jesus: this show is truly flawed in that it doesn’t portray Christians realistically AT ALL. It fails to portray them as judgmental, hateful, angry, ultra-sensitive scum, who can’t handle the fact that we’re not living in the Little House on the Prairie. For that reason, the show only gets only five stars from me instead of six.”

I don’t know, if someone said your Lord, your saviour, your sun and your stars, was some wise cracking smart mouth, and that his faithful servants are pill popping junkies, than you get called ultra sensetive scum, maybe, just maybe, you might complain to.

But thats just me…
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
IIf Mr. Kenny was hoping for “Joan of Arcadia” or “7th Heaven” he missed the boat. Joan lived in a world of natural law. There were consequences for her actions. And at times the actions of others very clearly effected her through no fault of her own. Eric and Annie Camden want to live their lives by God’s law, and take a stand even it means being unpopular with their children or those around them.

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7th Heaven was long one of my favorite shows even though it is about a protestant family. It has a lot of good messages and lessons however, I became turned off when Lucy became a minister and I quit watching it when Eric said to Lucy (to encourage her) said “Women have been really good for religion over the past 2000 years, but religion has not been so good to women” (paraphrased).

IMO, that was a real turn-off and ruined a great show.
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