Catholic magic?

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Tomdstone said:
One person says it is superstition, another says that it is worthy and good to pray for the intercession of saints? Which is it?
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It is not superstition to pray to the Saints.

Certain “practices” or “approaches” or “beliefs” can yes be superstitious.

One does the good (ask the prayers of the Saints) and rejects the other (any superstition).
 
Tomdstone said:
One person says it is superstition, another says that it is worthy and good to pray for the intercession of saints? Which is it?
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"While it is reasonable to ask St. Joseph for his intercession in helping buy or sell a home (finding housing for the holy family being one of his duties as head of the holy family), the idea of burying a statue of him upside down has no plausible connection to any patronly interest he might have in housing.

IT IS SUPERSTITION.
 
thistle said:
This is superstition and is a sin of grave matter.
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No necessarily. I’m pretty sure the church does not agree or disagree with burying St. Joseph AS LONG AS you relize it isn’t the act of burying that could bring good results but the act of intercession and prayer.
 
thistle said:
"While it is reasonable to ask St. Joseph for his intercession in helping buy or sell a home (finding housing for the holy family being one of his duties as head of the holy family), the idea of burying a statue of him upside down has no plausible connection to any patronly interest he might have in housing.

IT IS SUPERSTITION.
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We do lots of things in the Catholic church that has no plausible connection to the intention we seek. Wearing a saints necklace for protection,etc.

It is all in the intention of the act
 
Intention and slippery slope. I wear a St. Christopher neckalce that carries sentimental value and has always reminded me of God. I do not view it as invoking the physical protection of Saint Chris. I see it more like a reninder/link to God etc. And in a world where we are not all “one” it is often a outward convsrsation piece toward my Catholicism. Now if I were to believe that St. Chris was physically responsible to me and that honor took away from worship of God then I would be subject to sin. When I think of St. Chris it is a reminder of his journey to serve God and therefore one that enhances my worship of God.

There has in church history been popes etc who have reminded people of theirberror in following “side devotions” too far. While I see nothing of the catholic faith that implies we worship Mary or the saints it does not mean individuals do not falter. Just as Catholiscm says thou shall not steal and there are catholics who do, it does not make it the catholic way.

In terms of certain “superstitions” it is a question IMO of Godly sacrifice. Spending money on a statue that you bury is a physical sacrifice of you personally. But the question is donyou believe the statue or act in and of itself is granting “magic” or is the act sacrificial of yourself asking of God.
 
Also even going back to the Old Testament lets see the 3 men sent into the fire who did not burn. This is within linguistics “magic” but is not the “magic” that is sinful as it is the divine of God for God. Linguistically all miracles are magic, but that is not what the term is being used to describe. Which is also why the term mystic is used. Humans are chock full of linguistic items that are used only for popular opinion. The Eastern Orthodox Church considers itself the Catholic Church but due to who won the linguistic battle they use a different name so as we know who is who and what is what. Alot of Protestants now believe every Christian church is “the same” “church” but they do not call themselves part of the “catholic(universal)” because it would be linguistically confusing.
 
Whatever falls under the category of 'Catholic" magic would be contrary to the Faith. A sin.
 
Superstitious practices with the external appearance of Catholicism, in my opinion, come to fruition as a consequence of religious indifferentism, poor catechesis, and general superstitions in a particular culture. Superstition when it comes to images of saints and novenas can manifest when trust is placed not in the prayers, but in the specific number of prayers or a particular orientation and location of an image.

By the way, the proper name for gypsies is Romani, which means “people” in their language. The word “gypsy” originated as an epithet that came about due to the misconception that the romani came from Egypt. Just a heads up on that 🙂
 
Lover_of_truth said:
Superstitious practices with the external appearance of Catholicism, in my opinion, come to fruition as a consequence of religious indifferentism, poor catechesis, and general superstitions in a particular culture. Superstition when it comes to images of saints and novenas can manifest when trust is placed not in the prayers, but in the specific number of prayers or a particular orientation and location of an image.

By the way, the proper name for gypsies is Romani, which means “people” in their language. The word “gypsy” originated as an epithet that came about due to the misconception that the romani came from Egypt. Just a heads up on that 🙂
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Romani are one group of Gypsies. There are also Boyash, Sinti, and many others. We usually just say Gypsy. I was raised Ludad, a group of Boyash Gypsies. The Romani are the largest group. It’s not a racial slur unless you mean it that way.
 
Tomdstone said:
One person says it is superstition, another says that it is worthy and good to pray for the intercession of saints? Which is it?
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Both. 🙂

Burying a statue upside down is superstitious.

Asking for the intercession of saints is worthy and good.
 
Magic is something from the devil. It can not be from God. God works through miracles.
 
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