Catholic marriage and intimacy after menopause

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Tis_Bearself:
In order to marry, the parties need to be capable of completing marital intercourse.
Is this right Bear? I know there is teaching about the full graces of marriage being dependent on consummation and that non0consummation can be a ground for annulment, but is capability required prior to marriage?
Yes:
Can. 1084 §1 Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have sexual intercourse, whether on the part of the man or on that of the woman, whether absolute or relative, by its very nature invalidates marriage.
 
This is a sad fact of our society: those who do not like sex, for whatever reason, are told that they have a bad attitude and generally looked upon like they have some kind of a problem that they have to fix. If they are 20 years old and just got married to a partner who expects a fulfilling sex life, I can see this being an issue. If they are not in that situation, and are single and not imposing their views on others, then there is no harm, and their lack of desire may well be keeping them out of sin.
True. But often disinterest in sex actually does signify some issue. And the fact is, that whatever age you marry at, you need to be open to the possibility that your spouse will actually desire sex at some point, and you must be willing to entertain that idea. Also, even if they aren’t bothered about sex, they may want to “touch or be touched” in a non sexual manner. Not all physical affection is sexual and even older couples might want the comfort of holding each other or being close to each other.
 
My question is in regard to sexual activity post menopause. Not only is it uncomfortable due to physical changes, it is also completely repulsive to myself and many of my women friends “of a certain age.” I still do not want to be alone for the rest of my life, and recognize that men seem to require not just sex, but active participation. Is it truly required to have sex in a late-in-life marriage, since children are no longer possible? I just really want companionship, I don’t want to touch or be touched.
I get that. I’m also of ‘a certain age’ and would be happy to never have sex again in my life if I could get away with it. My view is though that inviting a male into your life at our age can have a lot more problems than the sex issue. I know a few women who’ve lost their husbands and have moved into retirement communities to resolve the safety and security issue and to also have companionship. That’s my plan if my husband is ever …not there.
 
I feel judged.
I apologize if I made you feel judged. It’s not wrong to have no interest in sex. It is definitely a minority position, and I don’t think it would be a waste of time to at least explore the possibility that something may be inhibiting your sex drive, whether that’s a medical issue, the lack of a meaningful connection (sex might be more appealing in the context of a man you love than in the abstract), etc.

Or maybe you’re just hardwired that way, which is fine too. It definitely means you’re searching for a more niche relationship, but I’m sure there are men out there who feel similarly.
 
I get that. I’m also of ‘a certain age’ and would be happy to never have sex again in my life if I could get away with it.
To the extent you’re willing to share, can you explain why? Not an attack or a criticism, just genuinely curious. Was sex appealing at one time and now it no longer is? Does the idea just seem boring? Physically uncomfortable?

I’m not trying to be nosy and totally understand if it’s too personal to share. I just have a hard time imagining never wanting to have sex again. I can understand saying “sex isn’t as big a deal for me as it used to be” but I have a hard time wrapping my head around “never ever”, at least for a married person for whom it’s a realistic possibility.
 
…I do want male companionship for many reasons, including safety, strength, and just for a male viewpoint of things. …
A clinical psychologist told me once that a woman may be seeking a father not a husband, in marriage. (Of course that means non-sexual.)

Note also typical on the form that the bride and groom fill out each is this question:
Do you intend to give each other the normal marital rights necessary to have children?
 
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In the days before ED meds, the joke/adage/truism was that after a certain age, the woman didn’t want to and the man couldn’t, so there was “compatibility”.

Men continue to produce testosterone, at lower levels, forever. Women, after menopause, stop producing (or producing in significant quantities) estrogen.

It’s a dance. Give and take. Mutual respect.
 
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I get that. I’m also of ‘a certain age’ and would be happy to never have sex again in my life if I could get away with it.
To the extent you’re willing to share, can you explain why? Not an attack or a criticism, just genuinely curious. Was sex appealing at one time and now it no longer is? Does the idea just seem boring? Physically uncomfortable?

I’m not trying to be nosy and totally understand if it’s too personal to share. I just have a hard time imagining never wanting to have sex again. I can understand saying “sex isn’t as big a deal for me as it used to be” but I have a hard time wrapping my head around “never ever”, at least for a married person for whom it’s a realistic possibility.
As PaulinVA says, it’s not that uncommon with the depletion of hormones for a woman to lose interest in sex. Yes, I think I had a normal drive before menopause but now I’d describe my existence as a peaceful ocean. No intense needs of any sort. It’s unexpectedly freeing to be able to give of myself to my family and others in my life without needing anything back.
 
It is definitely a minority position, and I don’t think it would be a waste of time to at least explore the possibility that something may be inhibiting your sex drive, whether that’s a medical issue, the lack of a meaningful connection (sex might be more appealing in the context of a man you love than in the abstract), etc.

Or maybe you’re just hardwired that way, which is fine too. It definitely means you’re searching for a more niche relationship, but I’m sure there are men out there who feel similarly.
Why does this bother you so much? There are most likely far more women that feel this way than you think. I’ve been single a very long time and am in my late 50s. Though while the idea of having a husband as a companion, a friend, a partner but while not repulsed at the thought of being sexual, I could be fine if it didn’t happen.

There is nothing wrong with me. I’m sure I would be capable of sexual relations but it is not an overwhelming desire in my life. If I never marry again, thus never having sexual relations again, my life will not be missing anything.

There is nothing wrong with women like us!
 
Why does this bother you so much?
Who says I’m bothered? I’m getting a little annoyed at the tone, frankly. I’ve been very clear that I was not claiming there was anything “wrong” with the OP. I explicitly said so in the very post you quoted.
 
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I thought that a spouse is required to fulfill the marriage debt if the other spouse requests it. Not on every occasion but is it always OK for a spouse to refuse the marriage debt over a long period of time?
Pope Pius XI: “By this same love it is necessary that all the other rights and duties of the marriage state be regulated as the words of the Apostle: ‘Let the husband render the debt to the wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband,’ express not only a law of justice but of charity.” [Casti Connubii, n. 25]
 
That is inappropriate. I’d choose to date men who hold the same moral values as I do (mid 50s widow here).
 
Hi @CatholicBiddy!
One thing I thought of is that it may be hard to find men no longer interested in sex is because they aren’t looking for women like themselves. I think, for men, it’s a bit harder to come to terms with their disinterest in sex or inability to perform any longer, so they just avoid looking. They may be assuming all women expect some sex, too.

These men are out there. How you’d find them may be a challenge but don’t give up. If you use dating sites, make clear your preference for a non sexual relationship so you aren’t wasting time with men hoping for hookups!

I’m 68 and female. I’m sort of still interested but my husband is no longer able. I deal with it just fine at my age…it rarely bothers me. We still kiss and cuddle! We still love each other very much. If this had happened in our 20’s, I’m not sure what I would have done. But, it happened late in life when the hormones weren’t raging anymore anyway.

Have hope. There is someone out there that will be a match even if he’s a needle in a haystack!
 
As it is all so far very hypothetical…(taken me a couple decades to find a good match for myself…)

Biddy, you owe nobody anything if you are not married to them. And if you are, presumably, they’ve been screened thoroughly via normal dates beforehand.

There is a dating process, and you need to not only establish but also enforce any boundaries. Any man that gets through the dating process and wants to marry you, I’m sure will be well aware and privy to the situation before even asking you to marry him, but if he has no idea, you have the right to refuse. You don’t need to say yes to just any man that asks.

God might also have other plans, so get out of the circle of friends, texting buddies, tv shows, and other entertainment that you involve yourself. Find some volunteer work and get yourself out there. Your fellow volunteers may not be single, but they may have friends that they know and trust that are.

I realize with covid going on, this advice is likely annoying. It might have to wait for when things calm down in the world.

Do realize, you have the right to establish boundaries. These boundaries will give you plenty of time to heal from these men you are finding yourself involved in until the one shows up, if he does, and putting yourself out there by volunteering and other social activities will help you to find that man.
 
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