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FaithFox
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I am a writer who like to write Christian fantasy novels and i had a question. How did Catholic masses work in medieval times?
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adamhovey1988
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Good question! What country, based on Modern geography would it be taking place in?
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MagdalenaRita
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A good re-enactment of a Mass around 1450AD.
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FaithFox
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This is a fantasy world but I suppose the closest thing to it would be England, Ireland or Scotland
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adamhovey1988
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13479a.htm I hope this will help you.
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FaithFox
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Thanks I check it out
Tis_Bearself
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I was just going to post that very interesting re-enactment.
One thing to note is that almost no one receives Holy Communion. In medieval times, the vast majority of people received very infrequently, and only when their confessor decided they were holy enough to receive, which was not often.
Another thing to note is the presence of a screen (rood screen) between the attendees and the priest and others saying the Mass in the sanctuary. These were done away with after the Council of Trent said there shouldn’t be a barrier, but that would have been about 100 years later than the time portrayed in the video.
One thing to note is that almost no one receives Holy Communion. In medieval times, the vast majority of people received very infrequently, and only when their confessor decided they were holy enough to receive, which was not often.
Another thing to note is the presence of a screen (rood screen) between the attendees and the priest and others saying the Mass in the sanctuary. These were done away with after the Council of Trent said there shouldn’t be a barrier, but that would have been about 100 years later than the time portrayed in the video.
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Irishmom2
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I am glad it is not like that anymore.
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TheMortenBay
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Why? I don’t see how getting rid of 1500+ years of tradition is an improvement…
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CilladeRoma
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I am pretty sure this is not how the early Christians celebrated Mass, so no, it is not 1500 years of tradition.
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TheMortenBay
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We can agree that the Tridentine Mass dates back to the Council of Trent, which happened in the 1500s to counter the protestant heresies. That’s 500 years of Tradition.
The Tridentine Mass was however not something that was invented in the 1500s, it was primarily a unification, where most of the Church were now supposed to celebrate the Roman Rite. That Roman Rite (or one with almost all the same elements) is easily traceable back to the year 1000. So that’s another 500 years.
I think it’s generally accepted that the Roman Rite could be traced back to Pope Gregory I, where he codified it. That’s another 500 years. And yes, some elements back then were very different from the way the Tridentine Rite appeared in 1962, but the changes to the Roman Rite have traditionally been gradual and in continuity with how it was celebrated previously. I think you’ll be hard pressed to say the same about the Mass of 1969.
The Tridentine Mass was however not something that was invented in the 1500s, it was primarily a unification, where most of the Church were now supposed to celebrate the Roman Rite. That Roman Rite (or one with almost all the same elements) is easily traceable back to the year 1000. So that’s another 500 years.
I think it’s generally accepted that the Roman Rite could be traced back to Pope Gregory I, where he codified it. That’s another 500 years. And yes, some elements back then were very different from the way the Tridentine Rite appeared in 1962, but the changes to the Roman Rite have traditionally been gradual and in continuity with how it was celebrated previously. I think you’ll be hard pressed to say the same about the Mass of 1969.
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Dante221
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Thank you so much for this video! How I wish we could go back …when the Mass was
quietly ans solemnly celebrated. Familiarity breeds not contempt , but complacency.
We have taken away so much of the sacred …so very much of what made the Mass special.
God forgive us
quietly ans solemnly celebrated. Familiarity breeds not contempt , but complacency.
We have taken away so much of the sacred …so very much of what made the Mass special.
God forgive us
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Sean
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I like the food screen it reminds me of the iconstasis. I think it was wrong that they had infrequent communion though.
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Tis_Bearself
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You want to have a screen between people and the Lord?
And people barely able to receive Our Lord?
I am happy that the Church does not agree with you on that.
It is important to me that I receive Our Lord often - it’s one of the only things keeping me going.
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Sean
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The Tridentine mass is still a thing you know
Tis_Bearself
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It’s my understanding that the rood screen and the iconostasis evolved separately from different traditions, so while they look similar, they’re not coming from the same place.
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Sean
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In the 19th century there was a revival of the rood screen there are a couple of churches in England with them.
Tis_Bearself
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Interesting. Do you know what the reason was for the revival?
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Sean
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A growing interest in medieval art and culture. (Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
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TheMortenBay
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I like the separation of for example an altar rail. Good with a physical representation between the sanctum sanctorum and the earthly realm.
And I’m a big fan of Pope St. Pius X’s wish for frequent communion. Wasn’t that him?
I was interested to know why @Irishmom2 objected to the video. I agree with those elements you mentioned, but I’m not sure as a whole we’re better off today.
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