Catholic Mass Too Protestant?

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When I attended The Easter Triduum this year, I made some startling realizations. It must have been taking place gradually, and I had noticed this in some Catholic Masses: The Catholicity of Mass has been gradually infiltrated by Protestant music, Protestant traditions, Protestant mindsets. But IN MY OWN CHURCH this year, the Easter Triduum was a terrrible disappointment. The Biggest, most important Holy Day of the year; let me tell you about it:
Holy Thursday- dominated by the Spanish-speaking members of our parish; no majesty; no incense until the last 2 minutes; the singers sang “Were You There” (a Good Friday song). Let me add that the statues in the Church had not been covered for Lent, therefore the stage had not been set for sorrow and then subsequent rejoicing of Easter. The Mass was way too simple for a Holy Thursday in my opinion. The piano player was good, however.
Good Friday-no majesty; no prostrations; no organ music;no choir; we reverenced an empty cross; singers sang a song about resurrection (inappropriate). Besides this, the singers needed more practice. The Good Friday account which is read every year had no drama or power. The Mass was dead dead dead
The Easter Vigil was similarly disappointing, however, there was at least some organ music with a small choir. The priest announced what was going to take place next in a very informal, casual way. Again, no majesty, no mystery, no feeling of awe, no Spirit.
When I came into the Catholic Church in the 80s, the majesty, reverence, beautiful choral music, the “catholicity” I witnessed (people took God seriously-it was not just “lip service”. Some would have their rosaries out during Mass; there were a couple Sisters who still wore their veils; the music of the Schola-accompanied by a real pipe organ- was often by Latin or old European authors, played by someone accomplished at the organ; when a more contemporary choir sang, the piano was very beautifully played; Father did not allow secular music to be played inside the Church. The Schola even learned the Gloria from Mozart’s 12th Mass and sung it at a Choir Concert in 1989). Yes, there are still a few of the Old Faithful Catholics at Mass, but largely the congregation has been Protestantized to such an extent that they could be transported into any mainline Protestant church and be at home there. Just my opinion. Anyone else notice this?:eek:
 
I’m sure that later posters will rebuke you for your words…

Some people are ok with these kinds of trends, so lots of areas or even just parishes will change, by majority preference. There are many kinds of people who are fine with these changes: uneducated ones who just go with the flow(the vast majority!), those who find these things suiting to their particular spirituality(or that’s what they say), and the ones who orchestrated the changes and are out to modernize/destroy the Church (the rare minority).

Then those of us who are not ok with them, find that such things erode at our worship of God, and He leads us to a more traditional parish. There is no solution, we cannot change a whole parish, only a new priest could do such things.

Just pray for reparation like crazy, and remember, what will stand the test of time, and the changing of generational trends… a Mass replete with modern (80s or earlier!) ideas, and outdated music, or one that is filled with Holy and Godly things (timeless things).

For your own good, change parishes NOW 🙂
 
I’m sorry you had to experience such a bland Easter Triduum. In addition, I’m going to assume the Reform of the Reform of the Liturgy hasn’t found a place in your parish just yet. In the end, certainly pray for a restoration of tradition in your parish.
Holy Thursday- dominated by the Spanish-speaking members of our parish; no majesty; no incense until the last 2 minutes; the singers sang “Were You There” (a Good Friday song).
Moreover, my parish experienced a similar incident in regard to Holy Thursday in which the Mass was bilingual and featured the “praise and worship” band for the Mass in Spanish. Although not a terrible mix, I felt the Mass suffered due to a mix of traditional Catholic liturgical music clashing with the music of the band featured at the Mass in Spanish.
 
It’s all very sad and I’m the stubborn one in the front still bowing during the profession of faith:D. I’ve noticed that in our music missal on the inside cover there is a sort of disclaimer stating that non-Catholics should not recieve communion because “we” are not in union WITH them. There has been a subtle integration ( which I think is laziness). I pray for the priests, a lot, to have and KNOW the courage of flexing the necessary muscle.

Don’t be shocked when and if Catholicism goes underground, all those people trying to protestanize the church will be gone for sure. Catholicism is so beautiful, I guess those doors in the 60’s really let in a lot of bad seeds and putrid debris. Now we know. 😦

I personally believe and think that because of the state of the Church we have the state of the world. These are saint making times and God is looking for people with a spine and backbone, I said yes. 😃

From Father Corapi’s spiritual daughter! 😉
 
I ran on this post very late, but after reading it, I just had to make a comment. If you are unhappy at your parish, go to another. We are Roaman Catholics and should be where we feel best. The Holy Spirit will lead you if you are one with Him.

However, I would first suggest you look at your relationship with God, your neighbor and the love we are to give one another before you worry about your church being to liberal or protestant in thier music or whatever…

Mass is about the Body of Chirst, loving our Savior and worshiping together as one of his community and I see no room for “the songs sounded protestant” or whatever.

Clear your mind, ask God to help you to focus on what is important in mass, and get yourself where you need to be…unless you think God wants you to be a critic/sinic instead of his disciple and follower.

We are Catholic Christians. We love Christ. We love one another. We do not judge.
We have free will and can worship in the parish of our choice. Get your head where it
needs to be, one with God and feel good in the knowledge that you are blessed with ever lasting life and enjoy mass, no matter the circumstances. You lost the entire purpose of
the Easter Vigil because you were somewhere other than with the Body of Christ.

Some one who loves you wrote this…may the Lord’s peace be with you…
 
Ug…

Although on good Friday, it is actually a good idea (requirement?) to not have organ music. But a song about the resurrection on Good Friday?

As for our easter vigil, it was glorious! Music wise, we had a small, but very skilled choir, an AWEOSME organist, and A brass quintet /w timpany (2 trumpets, french horn, trombone, tuba, and [obviously] timpani). We had this style of music for most of mass. Not to mention a traditional bishop!

Good luck in your work of renewing the liturgy!
 
I can see that you were quite preoccupied with critiquing the liturgy…but did you find time to pray, at all? Did you offer God your sorrow for your sins? Did you offer Christ your thanks and praise for His gift of love? Did you open yourself up to the Holy Sprit and allow yourself to be transformed and conformed to Christ?
When I attended The Easter Triduum this year, I made some startling realizations. It must have been taking place gradually, and I had noticed this in some Catholic Masses: The Catholicity of Mass has been gradually infiltrated by Protestant music, Protestant traditions, Protestant mindsets. But IN MY OWN CHURCH this year, the Easter Triduum was a terrrible disappointment. The Biggest, most important Holy Day of the year; let me tell you about it:
Holy Thursday- dominated by the Spanish-speaking members of our parish; no majesty; no incense until the last 2 minutes; the singers sang “Were You There” (a Good Friday song). Let me add that the statues in the Church had not been covered for Lent, therefore the stage had not been set for sorrow and then subsequent rejoicing of Easter. The Mass was way too simple for a Holy Thursday in my opinion. The piano player was good, however.
Good Friday-no majesty; no prostrations; no organ music;no choir; we reverenced an empty cross; singers sang a song about resurrection (inappropriate). Besides this, the singers needed more practice. The Good Friday account which is read every year had no drama or power. The Mass was dead dead dead
The Easter Vigil was similarly disappointing, however, there was at least some organ music with a small choir. The priest announced what was going to take place next in a very informal, casual way. Again, no majesty, no mystery, no feeling of awe, no Spirit.
When I came into the Catholic Church in the 80s, the majesty, reverence, beautiful choral music, the “catholicity” I witnessed (people took God seriously-it was not just “lip service”. Some would have their rosaries out during Mass; there were a couple Sisters who still wore their veils; the music of the Schola-accompanied by a real pipe organ- was often by Latin or old European authors, played by someone accomplished at the organ; when a more contemporary choir sang, the piano was very beautifully played; Father did not allow secular music to be played inside the Church. The Schola even learned the Gloria from Mozart’s 12th Mass and sung it at a Choir Concert in 1989). Yes, there are still a few of the Old Faithful Catholics at Mass, but largely the congregation has been Protestantized to such an extent that they could be transported into any mainline Protestant church and be at home there. Just my opinion. Anyone else notice this?:eek:
 
Unfortunately, the Church has been (and is still) under much attack, both from without and from within… and this has caused the liturgy to diminish in some ways over the past 30 years. (the Holy Father is working to improve it though:thumbsup:). To me, this just shows how true the Church is, - that the devil would be trying to destroy it in so many ways. But what I think helps, is finding a more traditional parish, if that’s an option 🙂 it doesn’t even have to be an FSSP parish (although those are great!) - but just a more reverent Novus Ordo. (for example, like they show on EWTN). They are out there! There’s a parish in my area that has a choir and organ in the choir loft, sing traditional music, sometimes even in Latin, - the church is decorated well and has statues, etc.
 
…Yes, there are still a few of the Old Faithful Catholics at Mass, but largely the congregation has been Protestantized to such an extent that they could be transported into any mainline Protestant church and be at home there. Just my opinion. Anyone else notice this?:eek:
Yup. Sure have.
In the way the churches have been wreckovated and in the way that the “audience” behaves at Mass.
It is especially noticeable in the music.
Nothing but old Protestant and OCP pop-slop almost all of the time.
I have not heard one Catholic hymn since before Easter.
 
Yup. Sure have.
In the way the churches have been wreckovated and in the way that the “audience” behaves at Mass.
It is especially noticeable in the music.
Nothing but old Protestant and OCP pop-slop almost all of the time.
I have not heard one Catholic hymn since before Easter.
Of course, the Catholic musical ideal is that you would hear zero hymns ever at Mass! 👍
 
When I attended The Easter Triduum this year, I made some startling realizations. It must have been taking place gradually, and I had noticed this in some Catholic Masses: The Catholicity of Mass has been gradually infiltrated by Protestant music, Protestant traditions, Protestant mindsets. But IN MY OWN CHURCH this year, the Easter Triduum was a terrrible disappointment. The Biggest, most important Holy Day of the year; let me tell you about it:
Holy Thursday- dominated by the Spanish-speaking members of our parish; no majesty; no incense until the last 2 minutes; the singers sang “Were You There” (a Good Friday song). Let me add that the statues in the Church had not been covered for Lent, therefore the stage had not been set for sorrow and then subsequent rejoicing of Easter. The Mass was way too simple for a Holy Thursday in my opinion. The piano player was good, however.
Good Friday-no majesty; no prostrations; no organ music;no choir; we reverenced an empty cross; singers sang a song about resurrection (inappropriate). Besides this, the singers needed more practice. The Good Friday account which is read every year had no drama or power. The Mass was dead dead dead
The Easter Vigil was similarly disappointing, however, there was at least some organ music with a small choir. The priest announced what was going to take place next in a very informal, casual way. Again, no majesty, no mystery, no feeling of awe, no Spirit.
When I came into the Catholic Church in the 80s, the majesty, reverence, beautiful choral music, the “catholicity” I witnessed (people took God seriously-it was not just “lip service”. Some would have their rosaries out during Mass; there were a couple Sisters who still wore their veils; the music of the Schola-accompanied by a real pipe organ- was often by Latin or old European authors, played by someone accomplished at the organ; when a more contemporary choir sang, the piano was very beautifully played; Father did not allow secular music to be played inside the Church. The Schola even learned the Gloria from Mozart’s 12th Mass and sung it at a Choir Concert in 1989). Yes, there are still a few of the Old Faithful Catholics at Mass, but largely the congregation has been Protestantized to such an extent that they could be transported into any mainline Protestant church and be at home there. Just my opinion. Anyone else notice this?:eek:
None of what you noted suggests “The Catholicity of Mass has been gradually infiltrated by Protestant music, Protestant traditions, Protestant mindsets.”

It sounds more like your parish is beset with apathy.

Just out of curiosity, how is your weekly collection going?
 
I’m sure that later posters will rebuke you for your words…

Some people are ok with these kinds of trends, so lots of areas or even just parishes will change, by majority preference. There are many kinds of people who are fine with these changes: uneducated ones who just go with the flow(the vast majority!), those who find these things suiting to their particular spirituality(or that’s what they say), and the ones who orchestrated the changes and are out to modernize/destroy the Church (the rare minority).

Then those of us who are not ok with them, find that such things erode at our worship of God, and He leads us to a more traditional parish. There is no solution, we cannot change a whole parish, only a new priest could do such things.

Just pray for reparation like crazy, and remember, what will stand the test of time, and the changing of generational trends… a Mass replete with modern (80s or earlier!) ideas, and outdated music, or one that is filled with Holy and Godly things (timeless things).

For your own good, change parishes NOW
I’m grateful that Saint Francis did not take that route…
 
I ran on this post very late, but after reading it, I just had to make a comment. If you are unhappy at your parish, go to another. We are Roaman Catholics and should be where we feel best. The Holy Spirit will lead you if you are one with Him.

However, I would first suggest you look at your relationship with God, your neighbor and the love we are to give one another before you worry about your church being to liberal or protestant in their music or whatever…

Mass is about the Body of Chirst, loving our Savior and worshiping together as one of his community and I see no room for “the songs sounded protestant” or whatever.

Clear your mind, ask God to help you to focus on what is important in mass, and get yourself where you need to be…unless you think God wants you to be a critic/cynic instead of his disciple and follower.

We are Catholic Christians. We love Christ. We love one another. We do not judge.
We have free will and can worship in the parish of our choice. Get your head where it
needs to be, one with God and feel good in the knowledge that you are blessed with ever lasting life and enjoy mass, no matter the circumstances. You lost the entire purpose of
the Easter Vigil because you were somewhere other than with the Body of Christ.

Some one who loves you wrote this…may the Lord’s peace be with you…
JJones:

Well said! Our Job is to love the Lord our God with all our Hearts, Minds, Souls and Strengths, and our neighbors as ourselves. Our job is, as Keith Green put it, “To be bananas for Jesus.” I really believe most of us should try to “Grow where we are planted”, asking God to “Cover each other’s nakedness with Grace”. And that the Body of Christ would grow in the Love & Grace of God and in the Gifts & Fruits of the Spirit, as well as in the “Esteem of our neighbors”.

If you’re dealing with a real problem, or one that simply drives you that nuts, please schedule some time (30-40 min.) when it’s convenient for your priest, and talk to him about it (Please don’t try to do something this important on the parish steps or while on the run to the Rectory), and then volunteer to help out with next year’s (or even next week’s) Liturgy. Most priests are trying are hard as they can’t do the Liturgy right, but they have to deal with the same pressures, miscommunication, personality conflicts and other garbage we all do, only more so because most of the people aren’t paid - They’re volunteers. It’s often easier to back down and let some angry person have his or her way than to insist that something be done right, esp. if you don’t have anyone telling you they’ll back you up when when Mr. or Ms. “Pichafit” is blowing up a la Mount St. Helen’s.

If talking to you parish priest doesn’t help, and you’re in a diocese where none of the Roman Catholic parishes seem to be giving our Lord the reverence and awe due his Name, try and see if you can find an Eastern Catholic Parish (Eastern Catholic Church in union with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI) anywhere near you. I’d rather hear that someone went to one of those than a Schismatic Church…

Your Brother & Servant in Christ, Michael
 
Of course, the Catholic musical ideal is that you would hear zero hymns ever at Mass! 👍
Well, I’m 56 and I’ve never experienced the musical ideal. Even back before Vatican II there were hymn (granted more of them were in Latin).

While I would love to hear the antiphons at Mass, unless we get a proper organist and a proper Musical director, our parish, like so many others, is stuck with someone who can sing and strum a guitar gathered with a few of her friends who are there because of her and would be gone if she decided to quit.

They sing the songs that they were singing when they were teenagers 30 years ago, with the odd newer hymn thrown in because they have heard them on the tapes that are available with our hymnal.

If anyone comments that something is inappropriate the response is generally, “I’m sure God doesn’t mind.”
 
Yup. Sure have.
In the way the churches have been wreckovated and in the way that the “audience” behaves at Mass.
It is especially noticeable in the music.
Nothing but old Protestant and OCP pop-slop almost all of the time.
I have not heard one Catholic hymn since before Easter.
Road Send
I hope this helps.

Your Brother & Servant, Michael
 
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